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Hi @vortex sir i just started a campaign on iphone sweepstakes in thiland,
Payout i- 0.36+0.25+0.35+0.36(4 OFFER)
lander-5types
Country -thiland
Language uses on landing page-english
i am using pop ads as traffic source
After spendng 10$ on these campaign i got these result


But after getting these results i am still in confusion what should be my next step,


As per ctr is 0.12% it could be due to english lander,
or using all website traffic then getting avg bid,


But i spet my 10$ within 2 hours is this time frame sufficent for data


Would that be applicabe now( Rule of thumb for test budget is: offer payout X 10 X number of landers --> 1,3 X 10 X 5 = 66 USD test budget)
OR i should rectify now or any plz suggest me

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I understood that you have 4 offers and 5 landers. That makes 20 combinations.

Rule of thumb for test budget is: offer payout X 10 X number of landers --> 1,3 X 10 X 5 = 66 USD test budget

The 5 USD you have spend would have been ok for testing 1 offer with 1 lander. --> one combination

When you have an established blacklist of course you don't need 10X payout spend as test budget. But giving it a multiple of 5 is kind of common rule.

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What he said.

But also:

Don't test so many offers for your very first camp. All 4 of those offers convert about the same. Ask your AM if not sure.

Don't use English lander in Thailand.

Don't run Thailand as a beginner because it is very competive, expensive, and has loads of volume.

We don't know your bid and targeting, so we can't help there. But on popads it's best to remove any quality below 5, only target android and remove webview browser for a start.

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@larsometer is correct, this is too less data.

With 20 combinations it would be $0.25 per combination, that´s less than 1 payout.

Try to use landing pages in local language, works mostly better (even when the offer is in english).

And one of your landers is named IT-iPhone, is this a localized lander for Italy?

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Not showing webview browser to remove in pop ads

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Android Stock Browser is what they call it, I believe.

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I just run campaign
country-thiland
1offer-payout -0.36$
lander-5 in thai language (google translated)
i got only 2 conversion after spending 10 $
should i exclude the placement those spent 0.5*offer payout(0.36)or,2*offers payout?

should i exclude the lander those spent more than 1.8$ with no conversion(0.36*5*10=18 per lander 3.6 , 50%of spent per lander)?
my lander ctr is good or bad ii phone lander is doubtfull as per ctr or any other reason?

in my tracker there is not showing cost


campaign setting
excluded-Android Stock Browser
quality top 60%of website(5+)
throttiling - disabled
operating system-android
bid-0.003
it took 3 hours to spent 10$
plz suggest me i just have stopped the campaign

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And now we have conversions. Funny how that works, right?

I still think TH is too hard for a beginner, but it looks like you won’t give up. So...

I would block the 4 non-converting landers and let the rest keep running. Keep the two that have conversions.

You’re missing a url token to track costs from popads, but you can still check costs for each zone on popads website.

Also, block all the placements on popads that have spend over 0.17 and no conversions.

We still don’t know your bid. TH does have a lot of volume... But it sounds like you’re bidding higher than average if running through budget so quickly.

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HI jaybot i just got from affiliate manager but did not get for another country so i choose this offer
i got avg bidding of 0.002 then i multiply it 1.5 (0.002*1.5=0.003) then i choose 0.003 bidding, also showing visitor more than 4200,

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i just got from affiliate manager but did not get for another country so i choose this offer

As on 24 th feburaury
Spent -9$
Used quality top 60%of website(5+)
Prime spot -all traffic
Spent-9$

As on 27th
Used quality top 60%of website(5+)
Prime spot -prime spot only
Spent-0.40$
Got result

After getting the result of 24 and 27 i was able to choose the best lander c191, for 2 conversion with 1 offer

But on 28th
Using 1winning lander with 4 more offer
i excluded the placemnt id those spent more than 0.17

And got these result after spending 1$ for 9hours and got very few impression ,like below

Also confusion
1.Every time bid estimation change not getting real bid price if i play with quality traffic like prime spot,include and excluded the website id,In many time it shows no traffic but many time it show traffic with the same setting
2.Getting very few impression just because of included and excluded the website id ?
3.Should i only now go with the winning 1offer with 1winnigng lander or keep the 1winnign lander test with 4more offer where i am not getting impression

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$0.003 per impression (=$3 CPM) is really high for TH. I'd suggest to start at $0.70 CPM or $0.0007 per impression, and tweak it as needed.

I've learned not to rely on the traffic and bid estimator on any network.

Start the test, see how much traffic you get, and then adjust the bid.


Two solutions:

-Restrict your targeting less, i.e. target more broadly.

-Increase your bid.

And of course you can do both.


If all the offers are for the same geo and prize, e.g. TH iphone 12, then you can use the same lander to test the rest of the offers.


Hope that helps!



Amy

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I just want to go with my best Lander and best offer should I keep the excluded the website I'd those (spent 0.5 payout without conversion)or go without excluded them, also without restrictions traffic like (prime traffic, quality traffic,)

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Just for clarification but how many conversions do you have on your best lander and best offer and how many conversions do you have on the worse landers and offers?

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I have only 2 conversion using 5lander with one offer, those conversion is with my 1 lander,no any conversion with remaining 4 lander

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Using best 1lander with 1offer(using 5 lander with 1 offer i got 2 conversion with c191 lander,no any conversion with 4lander )
As on 3/2/2021
Quality-all website
Prime spot-all traffic
Operating Systems-ANDROID

Browsers-ALL(EXCEPT ANDROID STOCK BROWSER

BID -0.0007(as per vortex -$0.003 per impression (for TH. I'd suggest to start at $0.70 CPM or $0.0007 per impression, and tweak it as needed.)
Budget-10
Spent-$3.23
Revenue-$0.36(1conversion)
Impression-4609
Time spent-8hours



As on 3/3/2021
BID -0.0007
Budget-10
Spent-$2.55
Revenue-$0.72(2conversion)
Impression-3642
Time spent-16hours


Excluded 28 website (During 3/2/2021 To 3/3/2021) in running campaign instantly ,without pausing those spent more than $0.15 without conversion,


What should i do because getting very few impression for whole the day after excluding website,should i test bid or any
Waiting for answers

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I´m sorry to tell but with so little stats there is no best lander, each additional conversion could turn the tables.

How muhc money did you spend for each of the 5 landers?

You could use a statistical significance calculator like THIS ONE to check if there is a winner or not.

Just enter the visits and the conversions there and you can see if one landing page or offer is superior or inferior to the others.

Sorry, I am not sure if I get it correct

So you exclude placements with more than $0.15 spend and no conversions although the offer payout is $0.36 or you didn´t exclude placements with more than $0.15 spend and no conversions?

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To be fair, we're sending him all sorts of mixed signals. I told him to cut everything that wasn't converting. He doesn't need to test 5 fucking landers for a shitty TH SOI x5 offer with a $0.35 payout. I also told him to bid lower and cut placements faster (but he was bidding too high to begin with, so he needs to add all previous placements). Then vortex said to bid lower+higher. Then you said to add back more landers and spend more.

Must be confusing as hell.

I would start over. Choose one lander that works. Choose one offer that works (they all do). Then work on average bid and do placements at 1/2 payout.

Once you have an okay BL. Then you can test different landers OR different offers.

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That is probably one of the more difficult things as a newbie on this forum. Everyone has their own ideas that work for them, and it can be hard sorting it all out.

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Both true, I always said that´s probably one of the most difficult things for a beginner.

Ask 5 experienced affiliates the same question and you receive 7 different answers

The problem is that there is not only one way to run run campaigns and the more experience you get the more you find your your own way to run campaigns.

So even when you receive different answers it doesn´t mean that they are wrong, it´s just that these things work for each affiliate individual.

In my opinion 3 landers for sweeps are enough for testing: Spinwheel, giftbox and survey.

But these should be tested because in most cases one of them just works best and you never know before.

In lower tier geos it should be at least spinwheel and giftbox.

Also true that it can help to cut more aggressive but then we also should check if it makes sense in that campaign.

It doesn´t help when you cut too aggressive so that you don´t have enough traffic left then.

And the hard truth is that you need to spend more money first when you test different elements.

It´s very important to don´t waste more money than needed but on the other hand it´s just as important that beginners have to get used to the fact that you have to spend money first and that you also can lose money.

When you create a wrong mindset in the beginning it´s more difficult to learn it later.

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Thanks for all the reply, As per tutorial I used the Lander and offer those give me 2 conversion, than I excluded website those spent more than 1/2of payout, applying bid 0.0007with 10 budget, but still in confusion should I use the best Lander and offer, or increase the bid, or any
Always appreciated your reply

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You can use the lander that gave you conversions. --> It already has proven that it can work (all tokens work, everything is connected properly)

I wouldn't change the bid as long as you get enough traffic. --> enough = being able to spend your 10 USD in one day

When you cut placements you limit your traffic. In big geos you can cut many placements before you see any impact.

After you have spent your 10 USD look at your results. If ROI is around -70% or better you may get an idea what to improve for the next test round.

In case results are worse than -70% ROI try other offer. Then compare how the other offer compares to your first and so on.

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I don´t want to create more confusion because I didn´t go through the tutorial myself but now I can imagine why you did it.

But I could imagine that there is a little misunderstanding, let me tell my thoughts about it and maybe I am right, maybe I am not

A common tactic for testing is to run few different landers and few different offers together and when an offer gets 2 conversions you stop the test and keep that offer for further tests.

And this is where I think there´s a misunderstanding.

The offer with the 2 conversions is neither the best offer nor a clear winner.

It´s just an offer that converted faster than the other ones so among the tested offers it´s the best choice to test lander with it.

That still doesn´t mean that you should consider this offer and that lander that made the conversions as winners to use for scaling.

Let me try to explain the steps in my own words.

The first step in a test is probably the most difficult and most confusing one.

You have several offers and several landing pages to test and need to find the best ones of both.

To find the best offer you need a good lander where you can test the different offers with.
To find the best lander you need a good offer where you can test the different landers with.

It´s a little bit like the old story of the chicken and the egg and can be confusing as hell to know how to start.

Landing pages often can be used for much longer than offers so it´s a good idea to first test for the best landing page because this lander can be used then for long time to test many different offers.

To do so we use the tactic to first just run a test round with different offers and different landing pages and test all offers with all landers.

This test round is not to find a clear winner, it´s just to check if one of the offers converts few times so that we can use it to test landers.

So when you see during that test that an offer converts 2 times you stop the test and use this offer to find the best landing page.

That way you already have an offer that converts somehow

This systematical approach makes it alot easier to find the best lander instead of just randomly testing few offers with few landers and hoping that one combination works.

Ok, now you have an offer that converted 2 times and you can start the next test round.

The next test round is about finding a good landing page to use.

Calculate a test budget and then test only the offer with the 2 conversions with your landing pages and let the test run.

When you don´t see any conversions after 50% of the test budget you can stop the test, then it´s mostly not worth it.

Otherwise keep it running and check how the different landers perform.

When you see that several landers receive good conversions but another lander doesn´t receive any conversions at all you can exclude the non converting lander.

But again, only 1 or 2 conversions difference is not enough to declare a winner or a loser, every additional conversion could turn the tables.

When you then found a landing page that is converting much better than the other ones you still don´t just take that landing page and the winning offer from the first test round and continue with it because remember, this test round was only to find a good landing page to use.

You now have a somewhat proven lander and you also need a good offer for it.

So the next step is to use the winning landing page and test all of the offers you had in the first test round with it.

Calculate a test budget for that test round again, let it run, when you don´t see any conversions after 50% of the test budget stop the test, otherwise keep it running and try to find a clear winner.

When you found an offer in this test round that is a clear winner then it´s time for the final test round if the winning offer/LP combination is really worth it.

For this test round you then use only the winning lander and the winning fofer from the last test round, calculate test budget and check if more conversions come in.

If yes, use that combination for your campaign, if not move on and test something else.

Again, I didn´t go through the tutorial myself but this is how I explained my students how to best test and this is also in my opinion the best and most systemical approach to do so

When you have more questions just ask

I won´t say that you shouldn´t do it at all but when you test different landing pages and different offers then you can´t tell if it´s the placement that doesn´t convert or if it´s the landing page or if it´s the offer.

You started with 4 offers and 5 landers and cut placements at 1/2 offer payout, that would make 1/40 payout per offer/LP combination and this is way too less to judge about anything.

It´s good to block placements that send huge volume compared to the other placements to make sure that you don´t spend all budget on only 3-4 placements or so.

But as long as the traffic is split more or less evenly across the placements I would keep them running.

Also keep in mind that all placements that were excluded during the first test rounds should be re-tested when yiu have a proven offer/LP combination.

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Now I am scared, altough after doing AM for almost a year I know exactly what you mean (at least I think so).

You explain in very precise details and clear words how to build a competitive race car.

I just explained where to put the key to get the engine started and getting used to its sound.

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First of all thanks @twinaxe for precise reply and to all,
As per affiliate marketing, I see the more i get in trouble the more i making my future successful,
As per conclusion i should finding lander and offer untill i squeeze best lander and best offer
And my starting key as per @larsometer is now the offer with that i got 2 conversion to test more lander and after that more offer
As a testing I should go with the prime spot traffic and quality5+traffic,excluded android stock browser untill i get best lander and offer ?
Should i use the excluded website(spent $0.16without conversion) or not for testing, it might be the reason i am getting low traffic

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Just try. Worst thing that can happen is that you lose some money. But you can always stop a camp when feeling uncomfortable.

Basically you need to find a balance between very good converting but expensive traffic vs. cheap traffic but not so good converting.

Sometimes even cheap traffic can convert very well. Buying expensive traffic on the other hand is no guarantee for (more) conversions.

--> You will only know if you invest some money to find it out.

And don't be afraid of errors / mistakes. Sometimes they are your greatest chance for learning and understanding.

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It depends, when there is enough volume available you can target tighter to receive better quality but still have enough volume left.

It doesn´t help when you only target the best traffic when you then don´tget any volume.

When there is only lower volume available in general for your targeting you need to open the targeting more to receive enough traffic for your test.

As I said before, for me $0.16 would be too low to eclude a website, especially when you still test different elements.

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I guess your lander with 2 conversions is a fortune-wheel LP. I don't even test the landers anymore. The fortune-wheel is beating the other angles every time for me and I heard it the same from other fellas on this forum For whatever reason, all the races respond the best to the fortune-wheel.

I think it is a good practice exercise to take 3 angles - wheel/survey/giftbox and find out that there is 95% chance that the wheel is the best. Do it for the purpose of learning but if you are lazy, just take a fortune-wheel and you will be good to test offers.

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Offer-1(I am using The offer that converted 2 times and starting the next test round.)
Lander-4
Payout -0.36
As a testing I used the prime spot traffic and quality5+traffic,excluded android stock browser untill i get best lander and offer
TIme-9hours
bid-0.0007
budget-$15
Revenue-$0.72
cost-$1.51
Impression-2160


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As per campaign :
Result is the main reason of tighter traffic quality,
Is this traffic suffecient to run the campaign or not because i was able to spent only 1.5$ for 9 hours
As per result i should block placement on the basic of total test budget if 1/2 (1*4*0.36*10=$14.4,14.4/2=7)or 1lander test bughet(7/4=1.75)





As per thiland should i block placement on 1/2,1 or 2
Should i go with prime spot traffic and quality5+traffic,excluded android stock browser OR any changes?

I am using this lander but still in confusion that my landing page combintiaon is with offer in terms of text or display or any


c191-https://trendhustle.com/sweeps/c191c981aca9f45f9ae68b8d4188ec7e/index.html
d219-https://trendhustle.com/sweeps/d219a3a344acaf656c3034c62c68ec5e/index.html
f2e96-https://trendhustle.com/sweeps/f2e96496c6fd95526f055c60b9e45eec/index.html
google-https://trendhustle.com/sweeps/GOOGLE%20WIN%20IPHONE%20X/index.html

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You should get much more traffic first. If targeting is too tight, open it up. If that doesn't help then increase the bid.

Do yourself a favour and read twinaxe's long post again.

Last but not least: If you are scared of spending money you can try Vortex's 1 USD guide to get your feet wet.

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No good idea and no good tip.

Seriously, testing is so important and although with more experience there are ways to test faster but there is no shortcut to don´t test.

It´s true that the spinwheel works good in many low tier geos but run other geos and use only the spinwheel without testing other landers and you will probably experience an unpleasant surprise.

In the test stage you shouldn´t worry about blocking placements at such rules.

Block placements only when they send too much volume compared to the remaining placements so that the traffic is split more equally across many placements.

Stop that lander ASAP or you probably will have your first domain flagged soon

Original brand logos are a no-go.

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Well, so all carriers got traffic. Why dont you target the suggested carriers instead?

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As a starting I keep it broadly, I thought it's a part of optimzation to keep specific carrier targeting

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In general, there's nothing wrong with targeting all carriers to see which ones will convert profitably, then cut unprofitable ones.

However, since your affiliate manager has explicitly requested that you stop targeting carriers that are not from their top carriers list, you'd do well to stop targeting them.

Just in case it's not clear: On many traffic networks, when you DON'T select which carriers to target, it means you're targeting ALL carriers by default (assuming you've selected 3G/Carrier traffic).

So - instead of targeting all carriers, only select carriers that ARE in their top list.

Hope that helps!



Amy

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Days-9/4/2021-11/4/2021
Offer-6
Country-5
Carrier-as per suggestd my affiliate manager
Spent -$3 per country
i got only 1 conversion
i got these results as per location



Results as per offer

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What offers do you test and why do you only test direct linked?

It also depends on the offer but mostly landing pages work better.

Then it seems that your bids are pretty low, keep in your mind that you get what you pay for.
When you bid too low you will also receive lower quality traffic.

That´s also why I rather go by spend and not by volume when i check performance.

It doesn´t help you when you can get truckloads of cheap traffic when it doesn´t convert.
When you can get more expensive traffic that brings only 1/10 of the volume for the same money but is converting much better then it´s better to pay the price.

And you test 6 offers at $0.35 payout, $2-$3 adspend is only about 1 payout per offer on non optimized campaigns and this is way too low to judge about anything,

Please also check the campaigns for placements, maybe there are few non converting placements that are accountable for the most part of the traffic.

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i think haka offer work on direct liked than i use that offer without landing page



I bid as per traffic estimator and more than multiple (AVG BID*1.5)

What budget should i spent if i am testing in 5 country(6offer*5country*0.35payout*10=$105)is this ok, means 21$ per country
Should i stop when i get 2 converison from country

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Hey!
I’m not the most experienced guy here, but here’s what I would do in your case:
(Actually I wouldn’t do it direct linked but if I would, I would do it like this)

Each country -> separate campaign:

Campaign budget (6 offers* 0.35* 10)= $20

After campaign spend reaches $10 -> check the stats. If there is no offer that has converted 3 times at least, kill that country. If there is one that has converted 3 or more times then turn off all the other offers and launch 2 campaigns with a winning offer. One direct linked and one with 3 landing pages. Recalculate the budget 1* 0.35*10 and 1* 0.35* 3 * 10.

After spending these $$ you should see if a country has any promise...

But that’s only how I would test.. there are a lot of smarter guys then me here.


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