Native noob starts a "very unique" journey. (23)
Okay,
Let's do this.
Got a spytool (anstrex).
Will start with Revcontent probably - seems like easier moderation and @offshore saw success with it so I'm a copy-cat.
Will start with click-bank? maybe. For Revcontent - I see prostate issues offers, tinnitus, dieting, and alot of Nutra in general. Oh and you can't forget the arbitrage (not my cup of tea though).
Got TheOptimizer native because I'm mainstream.
You may have noticed that this introductory post has been much shorter than my Push follow along 
KISS principle is what I would say. stands for: Kiss my ass complexity (or really: keep it simple, stupid)
Hey man,
Great post!
I am relatively new to native ads. I purchased a course back in December and made around $10K profit so far - promoting Clickbank offers. I am using
Would be happy to bring this thread to life a bit more
Originally Posted by roiter123
Let's do this.
Got a spytool (anstrex).
Will start with Revcontent probably - seems like easier moderation and @offshore saw success with it so I'm a copy-cat.
Will start with click-bank? maybe. For Revcontent - I see prostate issues offers, tinnitus, dieting, and alot of Nutra in general. Oh and you can't forget the arbitrage (not my cup of tea though).
Got TheOptimizer native because I'm mainstream.
You may have noticed that this introductory post has been much shorter than my Push follow along
KISS principle is what I would say. stands for: Kiss my ass complexity (or really: keep it simple, stupid)
Originally Posted by pplusbade
Liam James Kay - Master Natives
Great course that I can only recommend!
Originally Posted by pplusbade
*cough* *cough*It's abit expensive, worth the 5k$?
Hey @roiter123,
Done reading your push follow along, learned a lot of things, and will probably read it again.
I am thinking that by the time I get better at Push and start making some $$$(Hopefully), there would be a Native follow along ready for me to copy. :P
Heheh Best of Luck.
UPDATE:
Started on Revcontent, US.
Clickbank offers. Desktop.
My first vertical was Tinnitus with 2 tinnitus offers with an average 100$ payout, cause I didn't know any better. At first I lost about 100$ cus my tracking to one offer wasn't right [affiliate=none] so stats also include that fuckup.
Of course I ripped everything from spy tools, took 4 creatives from spytools of that Tinnitus stuff and also ripped the LP of course 1 to 1 same same.
On the first vertical (tinnitus) test, I did get one conversion with an upsell worth 200$ which looked cool because it gave me one full day of delusional $XXX profit, but next up conversions did not come.
I purely did RON on Revcontent US at 0.43, with everything ripped.
All placements I had were with about 35% LP CTR and didn't really find some placement to exclude. The placement that converted was a low volume one, of course I tried raising the bid on it to about 1$ but without any significant changes in volume.
Of course I tried running traffic to only the converted offer and only the converted creative for longer too.
Reminder- Avg CPC of 0.43$:
Performance over time:
Note- the 2 conversions are just the sale and the upsell:
Okay. I then paused the winning Tinnitus offer.
"Let's go for something with a lower payout" I said. Of course I then found by some spying the Sciatica clickbank offer for 40$ ish average payout (picked one offer: Backpain breakthrough). So, I ripped a landing page again and ripped 4 creatives again Of course I went for US - yeah, again.
And purely started RON again. Avg. LP CTR was abit higher at 50%. No widgets to optimize for LP CTR.
After initial decent losses on this Sciatica offer too -
What I did then: copied my Sciatica 0.43 RON campaign and tried bumping the bid up to 1.13 or so ("I'll get better quality placements" I said, "it will convert better" I said).
Well the 1.13 campaign didn't convert (besides 1 poor 24$ conversion) and while my daily budget was 100$ it spent a whooping 250$ on that day Well, atleast my ads were positions #1 ...
What I also did: I went to spy tools again and copied every widget ID I could find in the top 40 results of Health offers (total of 21 widgets)
I took the original Sciatica 0.43 camp, dropped the bid on it to 0.001, and bumped the bid only on those 21 widgets I spied on to a whooping 2.3$! (my way of doing a WL campaign)
Well, surprise surprise but after about 70$ spent on this now WL I did not get any conversions too! (note: only 4 of the 21 widgets I bid up (crazily) on even got impressions, but from those that did - they spent so so to OK)
Sciatica visually:
My 0.43 Sciatica camp which later on I turned into a WL (see avg. CPC):
The later on Sciatica 1.13 camp, well... only 1 placement there is interesting:
So I paused this Sciatica offer too.
NOW:
The Revcontent ads are paused.
I'm contemplating about switching to taboola? or something? But I didn't find any offers thus far that I could run. Will update. Ps. all Native peeps feel free to skype me!
All stats so far:
Hey man - great stuff!
Yeah, it is really hard starting with those vsl offers because the payout is so high... only thing you can really optimize for is lp ctr, which is helpful, but very possible you may have to go thousands in the hole before you see profit. I imagine if one is really popping though its possible to see green from the start.
I'm running Back Pain Breakthrough on a listicle right now and its been doing extremely well, so that's one I think has a lot of promise. Thinking about trying it direct too.
But yeah, I think its worth spending a couple hundred bucks on all three networks (Revc, Taboola, Outbrain) just to see which one you like better. They're all quite different in their own ways.
With any of them though you're right that a lower payout offer is going to make it much easier to 'explore' and 'get the lay of the land' as it were.
Here's some random offers I think could be worth looking at:
QuoteWizard Home Insurnace (Clickbooth)
Assurance HomeInsurance.net (Clickbooth)
QuoteWizard Car Insurnace (Clickbooth)
Total AV antivirus (this is a legit whitehat antivirus offer... payout is high but you can optimize for the front end download which is like a $10 equivalent cpa if I remember - not sure what network has this one but I believe a bunch do or you can even sign up direct I think)
Any low payout dating offer (like Asian Dating on Revcontent, etc)
Any search arb (I believe TheOptimizer now integrates with Tonic, which is the biggest search arb company I believe)
Those are just random suggestions, and none of them would be easy, but they all have low payouts which would let you do your exploring and learning in a less expensive way, until you have the traffic source(s) mastered, as it were.
With that said, the first thing we ever got working on native was a vsl (DIY Power vertical) on Revcontent and Outbrain, and there's a reason those dominate to such an extent. Just a pain optimizing given the high payouts.
Originally Posted by roiter123
My first 'winning' campaign back when I did PPC ads on Bing and Google was with that offer and it always converted really well.
I would second Jack's advice on running low payout leadgen offers to learn native as CPS offers with VSL often require a much higher budget to test and optimize successfully.
I've been a bit away from updating this thread, but in no way I've been away from running Native.
Here are my stats on TheOptimizer the last couple of months:
As you can see, I still haven't cracked Native and not profiting 300-1000$ per day as per my goal, but I promise you, it's coming
You never have to spend thousands of dollars on buying a course, all courses are available in black market for $50/lifetime. Just google search it.
But you don't learn anything from courses. It's just waste of time.
Originally Posted by roiter123
*cough* *cough*It's abit expensive, worth the 5k$?
What's your definition of low payout? In which range? - if a noob wants to get started with natives.
Originally Posted by regjoe
you still haven't been able to get profitable with natives - after spending $25k? Your data scares me, since i myself want to get started with natives.
Originally Posted by roiter123
Here are my stats on TheOptimizer the last couple of months:
As you can see, I still haven't cracked Native and not profiting 300-1000$ per day as per my goal, but I promise you, it's coming
Originally Posted by Rhino
(not that that's required - you could run learn it for way less if you pick and choose offers/geo's wisely)
Originally Posted by roiter123
Here are my stats on TheOptimizer the last couple of months:
As you can see, I still haven't cracked Native and not profiting 300-1000$ per day as per my goal, but I promise you, it's coming
Great stuff brother - rooting for you to kill it!
What all networks are you running on now?
Don't be afraid to test widely re: networks, that's one thing I wish I would have done differently is try more networks quicker. Even now its hard though and I always gotta psych myself up to try a new one but I'm always glad I did
Originally Posted by Rhino
I'm quite lucky that I have spent this much and haven't lost money. What I did gain is experience and understanding, if you will - for free, and that's what's fueling my future success. Yes - I didn't pay much of my bills during this period but that's the bright side of it.
Originally Posted by jack_l
What all networks are you running on now?
Don't be afraid to test widely re: networks, that's one thing I wish I would have done differently is try more networks quicker. Even now its hard though and I always gotta psych myself up to try a new one but I'm always glad I did
Last couple of months I focused 100% on Taboola, after dipping my toes a bit in the others (MGID, Revcontent, Outbrain).
I am quite comfortable that I can make things work big time there and that there's no need to change for now, sticking to 1 traffic source, I feel - is enabling me to learn it well and its algorithm, and all the little details.
The bright side is that I also got a credit line on Taboola of 10k so far and approval times are quick (even couple of hours in US).
Originally Posted by roiter123
Here are my stats on TheOptimizer the last couple of months:
As you can see, I still haven't cracked Native and not profiting 300-1000$ per day as per my goal, but I promise you, it's coming
As a newbie I can only admire your last sentence, hope to get at that 'level of confidence'.
But one step at a time right?
Really enjoying stuff like this ��
Originally Posted by roiter123
I'm quite lucky that I have spent this much and haven't lost money. What I did gain is experience and understanding, if you will - for free, and that's what's fueling my future success. Yes - I didn't pay much of my bills during this period but that's the bright side of it.Thanks for the updates! All the best in reaching your goal soon!
Amy
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Originally Posted by s14b23
Originally Posted by roiter123
I'm quite lucky that I have spent this much and haven't lost money. What I did gain is experience and understanding, if you will - for free, and that's what's fueling my future success. Yes - I didn't pay much of my bills during this period but that's the bright side of it.That's how I always like to think of it too... any paid traffic source you learn, outside of monetizing it via affiliate stuff, the skillset alone is worth six figures a year easy in terms of freelancing/media-buying jobs/etc... so there's really no downside... its one of the top 3-4 skills you can have nowadays in the entire economy... and if you combine everything you learn about copywriting and business development and everything else its just an insanely good thing to focus on...
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