Kratom as an affiliate offer? (6)
Hey guys,
Have you all ever heard of anybody running Kratom as on offer? A friend of mine is doing 400k in organic and top ranks in search. He's pretty much spent the last 5 years building out the logistics, specifically the procurement, payment processors, and overall legality as it pertains to selling the in the US. He wanted to give us an exclusive offer to run and test out.
We built out all the funnels for him and set him up in Konnektive CRM as part of an earlier contract. It seems like a really good opportunity to me at first glance, considering he's taking all the legal risk and has done all the leg work when it comes to the logistics of buying and selling that product.
Anyway, just wanted to get initial thoughts and if this kind of thing has been tried before?
Cheers, hope Q1 brings you some late Christmas gifts 
I'd imagine there would be similarities between running kratom and running CBD and Hemp offers?
I haven't run either - just a thought, since I believe the legalities and benefits are similar among these products. So perhaps they can be run on the same traffic platforms using similar angles.
Amy
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Never heard of a Kratom affiliate offer but please keep us updated how it goes.
I am really curious about it.
CBD doesn´t make high, that´s why it´s allowed in many geos where THC is prohibited.
Kratom however is like a real opioid/opiate similar to heroin, morphine, codeine.
So even when it´s allowed by legal status I can imagine that trafficsources won´t really like it.
But I could imagine that building a website/blog around Kratom could work good.
Thanks Amy. Adding additional information for context/education since I have a got some more information from a friend...
There are some similarities between them, but definitely some differences as well. The similarities/differences really boil down to these areas:
Banking / Mids -
Like CBD, Kratom is a very risky product to process. It's probably the most high risk aside from peptides (aka steriods). Brands are still able to find ways to process, mainly through masking the name or certain providers willing to either a. find creative ways to process or b. willing to take the risk / are oversees. The volume that the major Kratom guys are doing is millions of dollars with very low to non existent chargebacks. Our contact has active MIDs that have been trouble free for about 9 months now (and more lined up if needed). It's easy when you aren't doing trial or having high chargebacks.
Product Efficacy -
While many people say CBD is effective, there are many individuals who believe it is snake oil (mainly because lack of studies/studies done with Marijuana derived CBD vs. hemp derived CBD). I don't have an opinion on the matter, but there is a much stronger sentiment around the efficacy/power of Kratom vs. that of CBD. It definitely has more negative press/side effects reported though which makes it appealing to consumers willing to take the risk (believe in the products power)
Product Uses -
Both CBD and Kratom are used for similar purposes like anxiety, pain management, appetite, etc. Kratom has two uses; 1. in small doses as an upper and 2. in higher doses for pain management (downer). My friend that sells Kratom has customers write in all of the time talking about how they stopped taking oxy and other hard drugs because of Kratom. These are people who had PTSD, cancer, and other major injuries that negatively impacted their lives for years. It does prove to be highly effective for people.
Legality -
It's hard to say honestly. Both CBD and Kratom can be seen is legal or illegal depending on what you research. It's legal in the majority of states, banned in a few, and approved in a few others. It really just depends if you are looking at legality from the FDA standpoint or the FBIs standpoint. There have been talks about trying to make it a scheduled drug for awhile, but those talks have slowed down significantly since covid. There are also phsyical stores all
Ad platforms -
I think the Kratom is where CBD was two years ago. We were running ads on FB without cloaking or anything and getting conversions for $8. Eventually Facebook caught on and killed the accounts and now make it difficult for anyone to run ads in a non black fashion (based on my experience). I've also seen straight up Kratom ads on Google display and Google search and Facebook. I think ad platforms aren't 100% up-to-date on Kratom so I imagine you could run some ads for awhile, especially with everyone focusing on Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) with heightened FBI pressure to protect consumers in that realm.
I'm pretty confident ads can get up and as long as claims are toned down, traffic could run under the radar. Also, if the costs are anything like CBD in its early boom days, metrics could be well worth it. I'd love any additional thoughts from your experiences as well.
While many people say CBD is effective, there are many individuals who believe it is snake oil (mainly because lack of studies/studies done with Marijuana derived CBD vs. hemp derived CBD). I don't have an opinion on the matter, but there is a much stronger sentiment around the efficacy/power of Kratom vs. that of CBD. It definitely has more negative press/side effects reported though which makes it appealing to consumers willing to take the risk (believe in the products power)
With Kratom however you really feel the effect.
That´s why people could just say "CBD is doing xyz" and you couldn´t really prove it because you wouldn´t feel it when you take it and this could lead to the "snake oil" approach.
As I said before, Kratom is like a real opioid.
Simply put, it´s basically the same as oxy, heroin, morphine, codeine and what else as it binds to the same receptors as other opioids and opiates.
In the end you don´t heal your addiction with it, you just shift it to a different substance.
It´s similar when you´re addicted to Whiskey and to get away from it you switch to Vodka to "heal" your addiction.
A real drug withdrawal from Kratom is not much different than a drug withdrawal from other opioid and opiates.
I think the Kratom is where CBD was two years ago. We were running ads on FB without cloaking or anything and getting conversions for $8. Eventually Facebook caught on and killed the accounts and now make it difficult for anyone to run ads in a non black fashion (based on my experience). I've also seen straight up Kratom ads on Google display and Google search and Facebook. I think ad platforms aren't 100% up-to-date on Kratom so I imagine you could run some ads for awhile, especially with everyone focusing on Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) with heightened FBI pressure to protect consumers in that realm.
I'm pretty confident ads can get up and as long as claims are toned down, traffic could run under the radar. Also, if the costs are anything like CBD in its early boom days, metrics could be well worth it. I'd love any additional thoughts from your experiences as well.
If you're confident, I'd say go for it - as long as you're aware that accounts can be banned at any time and have ways to get additional ones.
Also: Google isn't the only PPC platform - other platforms can have less stringent requirements, e.g. Bing. Worth a shot as well!
Amy
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