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Which autoresponder works best for you and why? (20)

12-11-2020 04:25 PM #1 wisdompower (Veteran Member)
Which autoresponder works best for you and why?

Which autoresponder works best for you and why? Just want to brainstorm.

12-16-2020 10:50 AM #2 wisdompower (Veteran Member)

Did not get an answer on this thread. Hope this boosts.

12-16-2020 11:10 AM #3 jeremie (Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by wisdompower View Post
Which autoresponder works best for you and why? Just want to brainstorm.
Why not starting the brainstorming yourself? Have you tried some? Have you a specific context people can relate to? How big is your list? How frequently do you send?
People on this forum are busy. They are happy to give tips and suggestions that an other member will be able to apply, but you have to give them elements they can relate to.

There are 20 pages in this section. It took me 3 hours but I read every single post. All cases are covered (from the small guy to big team sending millions of emails). You should start with that.

Quote Originally Posted by wisdompower View Post
Did not get an answer on this thread. Hope this boosts.
Don't do that. If no one answered to your 1-line post, adding an other 1-line post won't help.

12-16-2020 11:38 AM #4 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

I'm using getresponse a bit, I chose it because it was priced decently and they didn't seem too picky with affiliate related stuff. Activecampaign is pretty good too. I'd stay away from mailchimp if you ever plan to use the emails for some affiliate offers.

The best would be to think about what you expect from the service and then shop around. Pretty much all the services have the same basic functions, but some have better or easily customizable templates, some are more strict than the others, pricing can differ quite a bit too... so first of all, set your requirements, you know best what kinda functions you need and what you'er willing to pay. Then look for some comparisons and/or reviews. There are quite a few services out there that you could use.

12-16-2020 12:44 PM #5 wisdompower (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by jeremie View Post
Why not starting the brainstorming yourself? Have you tried some? Have you a specific context people can relate to? How big is your list? How frequently do you send?
People on this forum are busy. They are happy to give tips and suggestions that an other member will be able to apply, but you have to give them elements they can relate to.

There are 20 pages in this section. It took me 3 hours but I read every single post. All cases are covered (from the small guy to big team sending millions of emails). You should start with that.



Don't do that. If no one answered to your 1-line post, adding an other 1-line post won't help.
You have a point. But my questions are not always pointed at moderators or senior members. I assumed this is an open forum and even beginners or those who joined the same day can chime in. I am a busy man too, yet see no harm doing anything that helps me and possibly the community as long as I don't spam and my intentions are noble.
When I joined in, I had too many questions and was too curious to explore digital marketing. Many of my questions went unanswered and I asked if there is a way to get them answered. A senior modertor suggested that I can "boost" No one had an issue till now. At the same time I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable, so I won't do it from now on if I don't get a reply.

I vanish now and then. And then return at times with a barrage of questions. Sometimes I help where I can. So, it's all a balance looking at the broad scheme of things.

It's weird I found one of my posts deleted from someone's thread even when something way less relevant remained as it was from a "senior."
Anyway I am here to learn and share where I can. If I create conflict, I'll be the one to lose. People will be less eager to help. I have silently witnessed "fights" here - people come and go.

This is one of the best places on the internet to learn, share, network, and grow. Apologies if I created any issues with my last few posts.

12-16-2020 12:49 PM #6 wisdompower (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
I'd stay away from mailchimp if you ever plan to use the emails for some affiliate offers.
Right! Opt-in monster suggests it, despite their awesome tutorials. Everyone else has advised against, so I am already staying away. I am currently using activecampain and they are awesome. I was wondering if sendlane is any better because they are slightly cheaper than active campaign for 5000 subscribers. Most of the features seem similar.

12-16-2020 01:15 PM #7 iwanttofly (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by wisdompower View Post
You have a point. But my questions are not always pointed to moderators or senior members. I assumed this is an open forum and even beginners or those who joined the same day can chime in. I am a busy man too, yet see no harm doing anything that helps me and possibly the community as long as I don't spam and my intentions are noble.
When I joined in first, I had too many questions and was too curious to explore digital marketing. Many of my questions went unanswered and I asked if there is a way to get them answered. A senior modertor suggested that I can "boost" No one had an issue till now. At the same time I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable, so I won't do it again if a question gets unanswered from now on. I vanish now and then. And then return at times with a barrage of questions. Sometimes I help where I can. So, it's all a balance looking at the broad scheme of things.
It's weird I found one of my posts deleted from someone's thread even when something way less relevant remained as it was from a "senior."
Anyway I am here to learn and share where I can. If I create conflict, I'll be the one to lose. People will be less eager to help. I have silently witnessed "fights" here - people come and go. This is one of the best places on the internet to learn, share, network, and grow. Apologies if I created any issues with my last few posts.
Please take the constructive criticism as it was intended. Before getting into AM, I was quite active on an industry specific forum. It too attracted a lot of new people. Many would come on and follow one of two paths. Either they knew everything and were going to completely change the world, or they had a million questions that a simple Google search would have solved, and what questions they did ask had no detail and usually were answered as the reader interpreted because it wasn't clear as to what was truly being asked. And this was in a forum of Americans only, so there was no language barrier. To make it worse, vendors would constantly pop on and shill their wares.

Eventually, it started turning into a shark tank with new members as chum to the water. Older members were tired of newbies trying to tell them they were doing it all wrong, or asking stupid questions, phrasing them poorly, and then getting upset when they didn't get the answer they wanted.

Now, I'm not saying that is what you're doing. But "Which autoresponder works best for you and why? Just want to brainstorm." is the worst kind of engagement bait. Save that for Facebook.

The more detailed your question, the better the quality of answer you'll get.

I'll get off the soapbox now.

12-16-2020 01:35 PM #8 vortex (Senior Moderator)
Which autoresponder works best for you and why?

@wisdompower Please don't stop asking questions! @jeremie, although he sounded a bit harsh, means well. And of course a big thank you to @iwanttofly - your words completely resonate with me.

We're all here to share and learn from each other. Difference in opinion is natural, and expected.

In fact, it's our differences that make the sharing of experiences and perspectives so valuable!

As for winning and losing: The only way we can lose is when communication is closed, and nobody learns anything new. When this happens, everybody loses.

@iwanttofly brought up the interesting point of language barriers. For a lot of us, including myself, English is not our mother tongue. Plus, we're chatting here through text, without the ability to convey facial expressions or tones in our voices. All of this can easily lead to misunderstandings that would not happen if we were talking face-to-face.

We're all brought together to a platform like STM because we have a common vision: To learn marketing, start a new business or improve on an existing one.

And it all starts with a good question that can generate a good discussion.

We all have personal challenges to face. Year 2020 has not been kind to a lot of us. More patience and compassion will go a long way - this is always true but is especially important now.

Thank you @wisdompower for all your questions! I don't always know the answer, but in order to provide you with guidance, I'm inspired to do thinking and research, and am able to expand my knowledge in the process.

And that is the spirit of this forum and what we represent.



Amy


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12-16-2020 01:56 PM #9 wisdompower (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by iwanttofly View Post
Please take the constructive criticism as it was intended.
This is constructive criticism indeed! And I have taken it well. But unless one points out where I need to correct myself the criticism is as baseless as my question!

Quote Originally Posted by iwanttofly View Post
Now, I'm not saying that is what you're doing. But "Which autoresponder works best for you and why? Just want to brainstorm." is the worst kind of engagement bait. Save that for Facebook.

The more detailed your question, the better the quality of answer you'll get.
Here you made it clear where I need to correct myself for which I am grateful.

Coming back to unanswered questions, sometimes detailed questions don't get a reply either because people have missed it or have no answer.
So, I really don't know how to handle that from now onwards.

Then I do make mistakes, so does every human. My understanding is that all is well as long as a member isn't spamming or does posts that harm the community. But constructive criticism is ALWAYS welcome.
There's this section for newbies where we are allowed to ask any damn question. I will consider myself a newbie till I die. So, maybe if I think a question is pretty basic or noobish I can ask there. And as you rightly pointed out I should bring in more detail in my questions.
Cheers!

12-16-2020 01:58 PM #10 wisdompower (Veteran Member)

@vortex Thank you very much for your kind words!

12-16-2020 02:06 PM #11 iwanttofly (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by wisdompower View Post

Coming back to unanswered questions, sometimes detailed questions don't get a reply either because people have missed it or have no answer.
So, I really don't know how to handle that from now onwards.

Then I do make mistakes, so does every human. My understanding is that all is well as long as a member isn't spamming or does posts that harm the community. But constructive criticism is ALWAYS welcome.
There's this section for newbies where we are allowed to ask any damn question. I will consider myself a newbie till I die. So, maybe if I think a question is pretty basic or noobish I can ask there. And as you rightly pointed out I should bring in more detail in my questions.
Cheers!
We've all done it. I'm sure you can find posts on here where I have done it. The key is we learn and move forward.

As to detailed questions not getting answered, there are 3 main reasons why. And there may be overlap between them for any particular question.

1. No one knows the answer. Sorry, you might just have to figure this one out on your own.
2. While you may feel it is detailed and clear, the reader with the knowledge may not. Fortunately there are many people on this forum who try to answer all the questions they can, so hopefully they will point this out or at least answer it as best they can.
3. The people who know the answer aren't willing to share it. At some point, you hit the secret sauce, the golden nugget, however you wish to phrase it. And that person is not willing to share it. Now we can argue whether they should keep it secret or if it really is that valuable, but that is how the person feels and it is their right to keep it secret as they wish.

So in short, if your question doesn't get answered. It is probably time to start doing your own research and testing, and also consider rephrasing the question as well.

12-16-2020 02:11 PM #12 wisdompower (Veteran Member)

@iwanttofly super awesome! Thanks again for opening my eyes.

12-23-2020 11:46 PM #13 mcstacks (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
I'm using getresponse a bit, I chose it because it was priced decently and they didn't seem too picky with affiliate related stuff. Activecampaign is pretty good too. I'd stay away from mailchimp if you ever plan to use the emails for some affiliate offers.

The best would be to think about what you expect from the service and then shop around. Pretty much all the services have the same basic functions, but some have better or easily customizable templates, some are more strict than the others, pricing can differ quite a bit too... so first of all, set your requirements, you know best what kinda functions you need and what you'er willing to pay. Then look for some comparisons and/or reviews. There are quite a few services out there that you could use.
@matuloo

How is the deliverability with GetResponse? Sounds like Getresponse allows to use a cloaked link to the affiliate offer?

The big three things I'm looking for are:

1. Deliverablity
2. Automation
3. Affiliate friendly (allow cloaked links)

I use Aweber now, and their support and deliverability is great...however their automations suckle-da-anoos, bigtime.

ActiveCampaign has amazing automation, however I question their deliverability with my past experience (I used to have a high-ticket coaching business, before going full affiliate gangsta in the last month)...and also not nearly as affiliate friendly as they seem to require a lander before the affiliate offer as far as I know, and that's a big pain. Support was all over me a few weeks back testing out some stuff. I don't think they allow cloaked but don't quote me on that, but I know some affiliates do use AC.

An AM I spoke to recently recommended Drip as affiliate friendly, though I wasn't as keen on their price as someone like GetResponse...so I'm hoping GR could be the answer! I need to pick something soon to start collecting leads and building a database.

12-24-2020 01:20 AM #14 jack_l (Veteran Member)

I have used Mailchimp and Aweber in the past.

The fine folks at Stacked Marketer use Campaign Monitor though, and I am going planning on using that on my next email marketing endeavor.

Here's there guide on all things email/inboxing/etc: https://www.stackedmarketer.com/email-deliverability/

12-24-2020 09:18 AM #15 iAmAttila (Veteran Member)

i Switched to get response and love it. it has this kick ass function that lets you create paths like a mind map based on user interaction.. so when someone opts in, i send them into an a/b test funnel where i test two different email autoresponse sequences (started a month ago)

doing a/b testing has allowed me to increase my open rates, and also my click through rates, which means more eyes on my actual landing pages and more sign ups to my offers

before this i used mailchimp, it was ok, sort of archaic ..

before that i used aweber, which is a real OG ..

12-25-2020 02:17 PM #16 wisdompower (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by iAmAttila View Post
i Switched to get response and love it. it has this kick ass function that lets you create paths like a mind map based on user interaction.. so when someone opts in, i send them into an a/b test funnel where i test two different email autoresponse sequences (started a month ago)

doing a/b testing has allowed me to increase my open rates, and also my click through rates, which means more eyes on my actual landing pages and more sign ups to my offers

before this i used mailchimp, it was ok, sort of archaic ..

before that i used aweber, which is a real OG ..
Awesome. Thanks for sharing! Do they allow you to do email promotions of affiliate links? What are the niches they don't allow?

12-28-2020 10:50 AM #17 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by wisdompower View Post
Awesome. Thanks for sharing! Do they allow you to do email promotions of affiliate links? What are the niches they don't allow?
Getresponse does allow affiliate links, but they do have a list of things you cannot promote. Check it out below:

Our Customers are not allowed to use the Service to stream, disclose, engage, offer to sell, and promote, either directly or indirectly, any goods or services that:
victimize, harass, degrade, or intimidate an individual or a group of individuals on the basis of religion, political option, gender, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, age, or disability;
violate any law, statute, ordinance, or regulation including, without limitation, those governing consumer protection, Internet tobacco sales, unfair competition, anti-discrimination or false advertising;
offer or disseminate fraudulent goods, services, schemes, or promotions (e.g. make-money-fast schemes, chain letters, pyramid schemes), payday loans or engage in any unfair deceptive act or practice;
are associated with any form of gambling, betting or bingo- or lottery-type services;
are associated with financial products and services that are frequently associated with misleading or deceptive promotional practices (for example, Initial Coin Offerings ICO or binary options); cryptocurrency-related products and services may not be promoted without our prior written permission;
are associated with any form of adult, sexually oriented, or obscene materials or services, including without limitation, any material clearly designed to sexually arouse the viewer/reader (e.g. books, text, photos, videos, X-rated movies, pornographic materials, etc.), any materials which require individuals to be eighteen (18) years of age or older to view or purchase those materials, escort services, and adult websites;
are associated with the sale of:
any controlled drug that requires a prescription from a licensed practitioner; or
any over-the-counter drug, or
non-prescription drugs;
are associated with illegal telecommunications or cable television equipment, such as access cards, access card programmers and unloopers, cable descramblers or filters;
are associated with weapons of any kind and related items, including firearms, firearm parts and magazines, ammunition, BB and pellet guns, tear gas, stun guns, switchblade knives and martial arts weapons;
market for:
nicotine, nicotine products, products imitating nicotine products, symbols related to smoking or nicotine;
drugs of any kind, products related to drugs, symbols related to drugs, the use of drugs of any kind;
medical services, medical aid, medical assistance, medicines;
video lotteries, cylindrical games, card games, dicing, and automated game;
encourage minors to influence their parents or other persons with an aim of impelling them to buy products or services marketed through the Service;
take advantage of minors’ inexperience and credulity; exploit the special trust minors have in their parents, teachers or other persons;
unreasonably show minors in dangerous situations.
Here is a link to the page, the formatting kinda broke when I posted it above.
https://www.getresponse.com/legal/sh...354.1605260066

12-28-2020 10:55 AM #18 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by mcstacks View Post
@matuloo

How is the deliverability with GetResponse? Sounds like Getresponse allows to use a cloaked link to the affiliate offer?

The big three things I'm looking for are:

1. Deliverablity
2. Automation
3. Affiliate friendly (allow cloaked links)

I use Aweber now, and their support and deliverability is great...however their automations suckle-da-anoos, bigtime.

ActiveCampaign has amazing automation, however I question their deliverability with my past experience (I used to have a high-ticket coaching business, before going full affiliate gangsta in the last month)...and also not nearly as affiliate friendly as they seem to require a lander before the affiliate offer as far as I know, and that's a big pain. Support was all over me a few weeks back testing out some stuff. I don't think they allow cloaked but don't quote me on that, but I know some affiliates do use AC.

An AM I spoke to recently recommended Drip as affiliate friendly, though I wasn't as keen on their price as someone like GetResponse...so I'm hoping GR could be the answer! I need to pick something soon to start collecting leads and building a database.
I didn't really do much in terms of comparing GR to other services, so it's hard for me to say whether it's better or worse than the rest. But, from what I know about "average" deliverability rates, GR is doing well. Drip has nice functions and automations, but when we tried to use it for an AM related project that I was part of, they basically told us to stop as they didn't like the business idea... it was a very clean AM setup, so they are obviously not fans of AM too.

Manu from stackedmarketer (former wtaff) said some good things about Campaign Monitor, as mentioned above by Jack_l, so that should be a great option too.

01-06-2021 01:09 AM #19 mcstacks (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
I didn't really do much in terms of comparing GR to other services, so it's hard for me to say whether it's better or worse than the rest. But, from what I know about "average" deliverability rates, GR is doing well. Drip has nice functions and automations, but when we tried to use it for an AM related project that I was part of, they basically told us to stop as they didn't like the business idea... it was a very clean AM setup, so they are obviously not fans of AM too.

Manu from stackedmarketer (former wtaff) said some good things about Campaign Monitor, as mentioned above by Jack_l, so that should be a great option too.
@matuloo That's interesting about your experience with Drip. Again, my new Affiliate Manager (who is an affiliate himself, runs this lead/email funnel) recommended Drip for it (wonder why, guess I'll have to ask)...which is counter to everyone's clear favorite here of GetResponse. Plus a few affiliates I found via spytools running the same funnel all use GetResponse...so go figure!

And good to hear the deliverability on GR. When I tried moving my list of 6000 over to ActiveCampaign a couple years back, it was a deliverability nightmare...had half the open rates and it seriously impacted my business. I know email migrations from system to system can cause open issues for a while, but after months on end nothing improved, and they started BS'ing me. AC tried to blame me and my niche, until I did tests using GlockApps between them and Aweber to show them they were totally full of sh**. So I had to go back to Aweber.

But I'll be starting fresh here anyways with these lists.
@iAmAttila thanks for sharing your experience sounds like a glowing review of GR, actually I'm pretty sure I read your Google review of it. And yeah Aweber is the OG for sure, still on it...it's like that crazy girlfriend where's there's crazy chemistry (excellent support and deliverability), and so you keep going back even though you know it's time to leave, because it just won't work in the end (barely any automation)! BTW just joined your a couple of your groups today, looking forward to 'em.

01-06-2021 06:14 PM #20 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by mcstacks View Post
@matuloo That's interesting about your experience with Drip. Again, my new Affiliate Manager (who is an affiliate himself, runs this lead/email funnel) recommended Drip for it (wonder why, guess I'll have to ask)...which is counter to everyone's clear favorite here of GetResponse. Plus a few affiliates I found via spytools running the same funnel all use GetResponse...so go figure!
I think they simply didn't like our niche as it was related to making money online. It was clean, no get-rich-quick, but still, they asked us to move. So that was what we did, no point in spending time setting up everything on their platform, then having to move later on anyways.

But I have heard good things about them from several affiliates too, that's why we chose them for the test in the first place... go figure. These platforms/services are weird at times, it's like they have double standards and randomly kick some clients off while others, with similar setups, can still work with them...

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