Push Notification - The Road to Profit $$$ (52)
Hi all!
It is my 2nd month in STM Forum, just want to appreciate all the "pure gold" tips from members, great place to learn from beginning! Did a lot of reading though amazing threads, but now it is time to start take ACTION!
My experience level : Beginner
Traffic source : Propeller Ads ---> sooner will take one more
Tracker : Bemob
Aff.Network :
Today I launched my first campaign to learn basic, already messed up with Postback URL, therefore no screenshots from tracker, as there are not enought data to show ... 
Offer: Sweepstake : Iphone 11 | Click2Call
Payout : 0.29 EUR
At the moment campaign stopped due to - "avoid traffic overflows"
Impressions - 86'000
Clicks - 519
Conversions : 9
Spend: 6.14 $
Revenue: 3.15 $
Profit : - 2.99 $
ROI: -48.7%
I run campaign Direct link, just to check if it converting (because no any of AM online during weekends, to ask) ..and also Title/Description are in English, even country national language is Arabic, so I think I can go for translation and sooner also try to run with Arabic landing page...
BTW it is my FIRST post/thread on forum and my first ever push notification campaign, I will do my best! Also step by step I will learn how to write great Follow Along/posts, to help others learn from my mistakes Also I'm not pure english men, therefore in case of misunderstanding I'm sorry ^^
And now TEST TEST TEST !! 
Hey reunerpertne, I'm in the same boat as you, so I wish the best of luck to you! Keep us posted.
Feel free to update with as many info as possible.
The more info you provide the better we can help
Wow how did we ever miss this thread! Apologies @reunerpertne!
If you like Click2Call offers, here are a couple more networks that have them:
Traffic Company - many geos, variable payout per geo depending on length of each call
iMonetizeIt - many geos, static payout per geo
The only downside about variable payout is it makes it hard to analyze stats. What I would suggest is to calculate an average payout per call - for example over 50 conversions or something. Then assume every conversion to be worth that much and make all your campaign decisions based on that.
Or - if you're a newbie, just stick to static payouts - at least for now! 
Amy
@reunerpertne
In THIS POST I also wrote a bit about click2call offers.
These offers can be very nice to run but with dynamic payout it also can be a bit tricky, it´s definitely easier to run fixed payouts first.
Hello!
@twinaxe , @vortex much appreciate for information !
Update
-Small update of my thread, I'm keep running campaigns with PropellerAds, at the moment stick with
Current stats in BeMob Tracker :
What I did:
- Run offers with Direct link, got some conversions, but I think I have to make strict rule for me, run with LANDING PAGE, and run direct link only in rotation...
- Was running IVR offer, at first didn't know what actually it means, offer was converting without LP, then I made LP and get some more conversions, but still not enough to keep campaign live, probably problem - LP in non native country language!
- Prepearing landing pages in Purelander, found it quite good platform, as I not using spy tool at the moment, will stick for that method of making LP...
- Run offers in Verticals : Sweepstake, Gaming
- For Propeller campaigns I run classic push, HQ, with CPC pricing model use Logo and split test creative with and without big image..
In plans:
- Try to optimize Green campaign
- Testing Landing Pages and offers
- Find more offers for tests, make good relationships with AM
- Keep reading threads,guides in forum, be active
- Keep Campaign Journal
- Check FA on Forum, and find middle way, what is the best practices to make thread update, otherwise I do not know what to write and in whato order and what information is most needed to show
- Do NOT overspend $$$ in case of bad campaign and don't wait for miracle that 100 of conversions will come after silence!
Questions
- Should it be okey for the beginning to use landing page builder like purelander?
- When dublicating campaign in propeller should I make new campaign in tracker and put new CAMPAIGN URL for dublicated campaign?
- Stick with Classic Push or try Inpage Push? and same should I stick on CPC Pricing model as it is most money saving pricing model?
- What actually makes offer bad - design or saturation, cause I was running iPhone 12 with already integrated LP, for me it was looking very nice LP, but I got 0 conversions even with not so bad Clicks on Ad's
Btw hope all more less clear,
Cheers,
Reuner!
Maybe better check out Landerlab.io
Then you can be sure that it´s always considered as a brandnew campaign so that you receive the initial traffic boost.
As you said, sometimes the offers have very good looking integrated pre landers or offer pages but they don´t convert at all.
Sometimes you have offers that look like crap but convert very good.
It´s hard to predict.
Saturation can also be a reason, even good offers convert often better when they are fresh.
Hi @twinaxe!
I noticed:
Many, many thanks in advance!
Btw @reunerpertne wish you all the knowledge and profits! Keep it up!
Greets, Algierotje
Hi all!
Little Update:
Im still testing, checking offers, prepearing landing pages and hit "red wall" in simple words - doing all the stuff what normally rookies are doing
But in this post I want to get some expert advice, what should actually I do in situations with low payout offers:
1. Offer - Indonesia "Win iPhone 12" SOI
2. Target - Indonesia/Mobile/Android
3. Bid - CPC 0.006$
4. Landing Page
4.1 Lucky Box - https://awards-began-here.s3.amazona...Box/index.html
4.2 Lucky Wheel - https://awards-began-here.s3.amazona...eel/index.html
5.Creatives: 
Results: I stopped campaign after 1.5h running, due to reaching cost more then calculated budget
4 Conversions come from Box landing page, therefore I stopped Spin Wheel Lander! but unfortunatelly after that no more conversions..
and also there was to more creatives, but I stopped them due to low ctr compared to winner...
So my questions:
-Should I think that this offers is converting and I just need to put more energy in funnel?
-If Offer is converting, how can I understand where is the problem in funnel(creative/LP/Offer) according to stats, because if I will test and collect more data, with such low conversions I will be in deep hole with such low payout...
-According to Traffic Chart Indonesia reached - 500 millions impressions in 24h, with such huge volume, I can bid much lower against recommended bid, to get time to think what should be wrong with funnel..? otherwise $$$ are going so fast ))
Add any comment what should help to understand working with low payout offers...
Cheers,
Reuner
-Should I think that this offers is converting and I just need to put more energy in funnel?
-If Offer is converting, how can I understand where is the problem in funnel(creative/LP/Offer) according to stats, because if I will test and collect more data, with such low conversions I will be in deep hole with such low payout...
-According to Traffic Chart Indonesia reached - 500 millions impressions in 24h, with such huge volume, I can bid much lower against recommended bid, to get time to think what should be wrong with funnel..? otherwise $$$ are going so fast ))
Add any comment what should help to understand working with low payout offers...
Cheers,
Reuner
Am I right in understanding that you only tested 2 landing pages? If so, I would encourage that you test more! Do you have access to Adplexity push? If not let me know and I'll grab you a few.
And how many ads did you test? If you need more I could grab you some as well.
Regarding big hole: With such a small payout, it would take a very, very bad conversion rate to lose a considerable amount of money. You only had to spend $4 to cut a landing page, which is not great but you would have had to spend a LOT more if the payout had been $0.06 or $0.60 instead of $0.006.
The ROI looks bad for sure, but you MAY be able to use this low-payout offer to test for cheap, i.e. to cut landers and ads and placements for cheap. Then run higher-payout offers.
I would actually suggest that you split-test offers to find out which one will allow you to cut stuff at lower cost. I'm on mobile now - when I get to my desktop I'll check my stats - but if I remember correctly the average payout for the IVR offer at Traffic Company for ID Telekom was around $0.27. I'll need to check the exact conversion rate though, both on pop and push. If you need an intro to Traffic Company let me know.
Which reminds me: Were you targeting specific mobile carriers? May be potential there for optimization.
I would suggest to try at least one more time - with Traffic Company's offer, your winner lander + at least 1-2 other landers, and maybe more creatives. But it's totally up to you of course! If you don't have a very good feeling about this campaign anymore, feel free to move on.
As for the bid: How much are you bidding now? Yes you can test that briefly to see which bid will give better ROI, and then use the best one to conduct the rest of your testing. Yes bidding lower will give you cheaper traffic, but it can also lower your conversion rate. So whether the ROI will come out higher or not, you won't know until you test.
And let's see what @twinaxe has to say - he's the real expert in push!
Amy
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Originally Posted by vortex
Question : when you use function for collecting audience for retargeting?
But purpose of the service is that you don´t need to host your landers yourself because they take care of it for you.
Maybe you could ask @platinum about it, he can tell you more
Originally Posted by twinaxe
I don´t use Landerlab myself so I can´t give a definite answer.
But purpose of the service is that you don´t need to host your landers yourself because they take care of it for you.
Maybe you could ask @platinum about it, he can tell you more
Yes I would appreciate if you show me..
Will reply with landers and creatives in a bit!
Amy
@reunerpertne I just noticed something - all your creatives are in English?
I would definitely try using Indonesian!
Below are ads and landers you can try.
Ad 1:
(��) Pengingat Terakhir! :
Apakah paket ini milik Anda? ��
Ad 2:
�� +62-814-5557-47
Kami mencoba menghubungi Anda...��
Ad 3:
�� Selamat Kamu Terpilih
Dapatkan iPhone 12 mu disini! ��
UPDATE: The icons in the ad text aren't showing up here - please find them here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing
Tip: You can also test different combinations of text + image from the ads above. And of course you can borrow ideas from these ads to come up with ideas on new ads.
Landers:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mc1nwj8n5a...nders.zip?dl=0
Please note that you'll need to fix all the errors on the landers and replace the outgoing links with your tracker click url before using them. Also - you may need to modify the landers to comply with the rules of your traffic source, e.g. some traffic sources don't allow the use of logos on landers so you'll have to take them out.
Also: There are different angles in the ads and landers. Some ad+lander+offer combinations will work better than others. You'll need to test to find out.
Hope that helps!
Amy
And I even have a very effective special trick for Traffic Company to run their offers
Will post about it in a separate thread
Thanks for making this thread man, I also joined recently and I'm looking forward to start again after like 10 years. TBH I wasn't killing back then but I got inspired few weeks ago and I also have some free time so I wanna use it. Also I can't belive that here on STM these experts like twinaxe, vortex and others are helping new members on almost every post and giving so much useful info, honestly I wasn't expecting that and it is nice to see that we have such a nice community like STM. I'll prolly make my own thread like this one but first I have to make a lot of starting moves before making it. Keep up posting and thanks once again.
Originally Posted by billy_boy
Looking forward to seeing a follow-along from you too - when you're ready!
Amy
@vortex
Some solid help! Much appreciate for your effort
- https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ing-Up-Landers
- https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...Ripped-Landers
Hope I will manage it :P
@twinaxe
And I even have a very effective special trick for Traffic Company to run their offers
Will post about it in a separate thread
@billy_boy
Thanks man! Wish you all the best! Most important what I understood is to take action, I was reading 1.5 month through the Forum, there is so many gold threads, can't even read those all... but real GAME start when you begin launching your first campaign's, only then you can really understand whats is going on (actually I still don't understand... but okey
) So will wait for your FA and let's bite some piece of affiliate cake
And yes, help from top affiliates is something amazing!
Google translate should be OK for short phrases. But really, it would be good to subscribe to Adplexity as soon as you can afford it. Then you can rip the most popular landers (ones that have received the most traffic - which is a setting in Adplexity) that are ALREADY in the target language. Not saying those translations are guaranteed to be good, but landers that have received a lot of traffic, chances are they do convert, otherwise the affiliate probably wouldn't have sent a lot of traffic to it.
Onehourtranslation is great but is pretty expensive. I would recommend Fiverr - pick translators that have done a lot of gigs with high star ratings - can't go wrong.
Best of luck fixing up the landers!
Amy
A tip for you, there are more AI translation tools out there and some can actually provide better results than google translate.
Let me link you to a thread where we talked about it, the link points directly to the reply where we started discussing it: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post405219
Originally Posted by algierotje
Our landing page solution Landerlab comes with hosting included. That practically takes out the need to take care of the hosting yourself.
Also, given that there are many landing page builders out there, thing which makes it hard to decide which one to choose, I would like to point the following:
- Landerlab pages don't have any redundant code snippets that will weight on the page loading speed. It uses the necessary ones that come with the landing page and are needed to render the page properly.
- We do use AWS on our infrastructure, but unlike the usual setup one can implement manually, we've added a few extra configs to make the page even more compliant with web standards and speed requirements.
- When you first access the platform you can get started with hundreds of ready-to-use templates that are clean and optimized for speed.
- You can optionally download the landers and use them on your own servers, but keep present that if one is not that experienced on tech side, could get a lower page loading speed.
- The visual editor is another thing you might want to take into account. Although some changes will still require some coding, the major parts of a properly build lander can be tweaked visually.
- Import directly from spy tools like Adplexity. We have a direct integration with adplexity that allows you to import landers directly from there. And the reason we've chosen Adplexity is because it has an enormous database you can take advantage from.
On top of the above, we do require Cloudflare integration. It is required for both domain management and caching/speed optimization. And one of the reasons why you'd need to plug in your own account is to make sure your landers don't get flagged or marked as deceptive, if someone else is using extremely aggressive landers. With the current state of compliance requirements one can easily mess things up. So the easiest way would be that to simply move your domains to cloudflare, connect it on Landerlab and let us take care of the technical stuff.
Almost forgot to mention this. When you publish a landing page on Landerlab you can directly push it to your tracker, by even adding the tracker specific tokens to dynamically display personalized content (example: Country, state, device mode, brand, etc...) on the page.
Hi all!
Some update: I'm still trying to find vertical&geo to stick at the beginning of my AM career, and much appreciate @vortex for helping to start work with great people from Traffic Company!
Actually I started to run some IVR campaigns, and it is really interesting for me, because you must find the way,how to prepare user for making the call... because for sure, it is more difficult then just write down your e-mail... (This is my opinion)
And my first campaign is:
Cost - 10.39$
Revenue - 1.32$
Profit - - 9.07 $
Target country - Indonesia
Offer - MultiGeo Offer where you can choose prize (I took Iphone12) and also can take ready to go Landing Pages from network (But I took my three LP)
LP - Lucky Wheel, Secret Box (@Twinaxe sweep lander) , and Quiz lander / ...So Wheel and Box I translated in Indonesian, spend quite time to rewrite everything in js&html, took something from translator (short texts) and some text from Ripped landers from @vortex)
Traffic Source: PropellerAds
Creatives :Tested indonesian and english (some of them screenshot added)
Stats From tracker:
Campaign stats overall :
Landing Pages:
As you can see, I made 2 campaigns, 1 - target Telkomsel carrier only and 2 - Wi/fi
Most interesting for me, that most conversions bring landing page in ENGLISH, not in indonesian! What a dissapoitment, after so many hours sitting and translating
And for me struggling is still keep campaign running, as I see cost increasing and conversions quite low, budget for campaign is 30$ (3LP*1Offer*10), but even when I spend 5$ I already see that I will not reach even break even... Am I right?
BTW go straight to questions:
-What better is to run for beginner in IVR offers - Fixed Payout (when call started) or Changing Payout (according to talk duration)
- Does That kind of lander what I showed should work on that of that kind of offers and LP text I can use same as for SOI Sweeps? and just change Call To action information "You will be redirected to sponsor's website and have to make call to confirm your identity" or it is a little bit more tricky then I'm thinking?
-Do you suggest to test offer first with network landers and when I find winning creative which converts, then I can add my own LP?
-Just maybe any suggestions to move forward for testing...
Ps.
I also started Jamaica target country for same offer and chose one lander with quize from network and here is the stats :
So now it's totally mess in my head, campaign which took me hours to start, and Jamaica I started in 10 minutes, and already get this results ^^
That´s what we are here for, to help and support as good as possible.
Starting with affiliate marketing is hard enough and when we can help to make the progress a bit easier we will do it
For longer texts however you should either get a professional translation or as Amy suggested just sign up for Adplexity and grab your landers from there.
They have plenty of prelanders to choose from yo you can run their offers just direct linked.
The thing is that rev share needs more stats to work with so it takes longer to build the campaigns.
But that´s only for the Traffic Company offers or similar offers with integrated prelanders so don´t take that statement for granted for all other offers as well
Yes the ROI does look pretty low, but do keep in mind that you're testing multiple ads and landers. You can do some math to see whether there's hope.
What I mean is: You can take what "looks like" your best ad and lander and assume the performance will continue, to calculate a "best case scenario" ROI. And of course you can also add other stuff to the equation, such as current-best carrier.
If even the best case scenario is too low for you to get green by cutting placements, then maybe you should try running something else. I'm a bit disappointed too actually - as the offer was converting better a few week ago when I was running it. But volatility and unpredictability is the name of the game unfortunately!
As for the language: That's an eye-opener! I do split-test multiple languages for certain countries but never thought to check Indonesia - I just did and apparently a lot of Indonesians know English! Nice find!
That Jamaican campaign is looking good! (But the stats say it's for Indonesia...?). And yup you never know how well a campaign will perform until you test it, and the amount of preparation won't necessarily correlate with the chances of success. All the best with that new campaign!
Regarding prelanders: As @twinaxe pointed out, Traffic Company does provide a lot of landers (or as networks call them, pre-landers) to choose from. And they are more than good enough. But you can also NOT use their pre-landers, and use your own instead.
That way you don't need to stick to the existing selection of landers.
For example if you're running on a traffic source that has strict rules against the use of logos, but some of the best-converting pre-landers on Traffic Company contain logos. What you can do is rip a similar lander, remove the logo but keep the "look and feel" of the lander (color-scheme etc.)
Amy
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@reunerpertne
To avoid confusion:
Of course you can also use own prelanders, Traffic Company also offers a link for it.
What I just wanted to say is that TC already has very good prelanders for the IVR offers so there´s no real need to run own ones.
This can help alot to keep the whole progress easier
They have plenty of prelanders to choose from yo you can run their offers just direct linked.
What do you think, with fixed budget is it worth to test all of them or take 3-5 and find winner?
The thing is that rev share needs more stats to work with so it takes longer to build the campaigns.
@vortex
For example if you're running on a traffic source that has strict rules against the use of logos, but some of the best-converting pre-landers on Traffic Company contain logos. What you can do is rip a similar lander, remove the logo but keep the "look and feel" of the lander (color-scheme etc.)
This can help alot to keep the whole progress easier
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Can you give advice what is the best method to name campaigns, to not make mess in list, I know you are running huge amount, and maybe can share some tips
To make workspace more comfortable, of course it is individual, but btw would be nice to hear...And one more question, do you suggest to prepare user for call in creative "Make a call and win iPhone X" smthing like this.. or just catch the user with "Win the iPhone X in one click"... I mean what is the best for creatives for IVR, I know that I have to test, but would much appreciate some tips
So soon will update my FA with IVR campaign results!
Thanks for advices and helping, much appreciate !
What do you mean with fixed budget?
Do you mean limited budget?
At first you have to understand that a even when you run these offers with fixed payout the backend revenue for the advertiser is not the same for all conversions.
These IVR offers in general work for the advertisers like this:
The longer the call duration the higher the profits
That´s just normal because the users have to call a number that costs money and the longer they stay in the call the more money they spend for it.
Because of the nature of that flow it´s just normal that different conversions result in different profits/revenue for the advertisers.
When you then promote such offers with a fixed payout it means that the advertiser has stats for the offers to find out what the average profit per conversion is and based on these numbers the advertiser then sets a fixed payout he´s willing to give to affiliates.
But again, the fixed payout for you in no way means that the advertiser also makes the same fixed profit per conversion in the backend.
In other words, you receive a fixed payout but the revenue for the advertiser can be in a range from 1 cent to few Dollars per conversions.
When you now generate rev share conversions that are on average higher than what you would receive as fixed payout then you would make more money on rev share.
To do so you need to run the campaugns for some time first to gather enough stats to know what works best for higher payout conversions.
This is the downside of working with rev share, you often have to deal with some higher upfront costs but after optimization you can often have higher profits then compared to fixed payouts.
I hope it makes sense for you, if not just let me know
There you should have 15 pre landers and 33 prizes to chose from.
This alone would mean that there are 495 possible pre lander/prize combinations.
And even when you run the same pre lander/prize combination there are many other metrics that can impact the campaigns.
Let it be the traffic type, trafficsource, bids, WL, BL, connection or device targeting and others.
You see, just because you run the same pre lander and prize as someone else there are still enough metrics to let campaigns perform pretty different.
Will try to phrase in a way it that it´s better understandable post it then here
Just use same creatives as you would use for SOI, DOI, Pin submit or CC submit sweeps.
Something like:
(1) New message
Click here to win
You were selected
Click here to win XYZ
Glad to hear you're experiencing success using TC's pre-landers! And I do agree with @twinaxe that their pre-landers would be a good place to start - they ARE pretty good.
@twinaxe has already answered your questions. I'll just add a couple things.
A lot of us are running the same AM-recommended offers from the same big affiliate networks on the same popular traffic networks using the same popular landing pages ripped from the same spy tool.
And this is a part of the reason why saturation happens.
This is why it's important to think "how can I build moats to have a leg up on the competition?"
Here are a few possibilities:
-Run offers from less-known affiliate networks.
-Run exclusive or custom offers, i.e. offers that the network/advertiser allows only a few affiliates to run, or offers that are created exclusively for you.
-Build good relationships with affiliate networks to get bigger pay bumps.
-Run direct with the advertiser to cut out the middleman (i.e. affiliate network) to get higher payouts.
-Buy traffic from less-known traffic sources, or even buy directly from website owners.
-Spend more money on the bigger networks and get an account manager. They can give you access to traffic and targeting options that aren't available to self-serve advertisers.
-Be creative with your creatives. For example test new/customized landing pages. And take measures to prevent your landing pages from being ripped by spy tools in order to retain this advantage for longer periods.
-Invest money into building black/whitelists of placements on multiple traffic networks, so that you can optimize and scale faster the next time you launch in the same geo.
-Have a more efficient testing and optimization process than your competition, i.e. do things faster and/or for cheaper. This can only come with experience and a lot of pouring over stats to perfect your methodology.
I'm sure there are others, but you get the idea.
Amy
@twinaxe & @vortex thanks for great tips!
,
Regarding infrastructure of campaign, I have something like this now in my tracker and something similar in traffic source... --->
so total mess
If multiple by x10 then i will lost myself in campaigns...Just use same creatives as you would use for SOI, DOI, Pin submit or CC submit sweeps.
Something like:
(1) New message
Click here to win
You were selected
Click here to win XYZ
)) Thanks.What I found interesting from today's camapign, that people make more longer call if they have more trust to LP ->
LP with google got more revenue and wheel spin got almost same amount of leads, but revenue much lower..
[QUOTE @vortex
This is why it's important to think "how can I build moats to have a leg up on the competition?"
Here are a few possibilities:[/QUOTE]
What a great advice's! Will start to implement from today
Update:
Will just update screenshot from tracker so far [06.12 - 21.12]... keep learning & testing!
At the beginning I was doing "take a bit from here, a bit from here" but now decide to stick on IVR offers! want to manage it till breakeven/1$ profit..
Also can't decide should i try another traffic source, or at the beginning learn basic from one traffic source...
Holla Amigos, hope you are all great!
Today was one of the best day, I mean, I did not loose too much money.. Here's stats --->
For now I'm running different bid campaigns for Indonesia, also started Bolivia and going to launch today one more geo as per AM recommendations..
Also I was figuring out, how to set up monetizer, to start earn even cents, so I use propush, just took Sub Link and put it in back-button for LP... And during all day I got crazy big profit ^^ --->
So my push subs are rev.share, I got paid per 1000 view, that is what support told me ... for Indonesia payout is very low, so therefore to get some profit from subs you need run big volumes Do you recommend to run rev.share instead of CPS ?
Also now I understand what @twinaxe told before that for Click2Call rev.share offers you have to collect quite big amount of data, to run those campaigns in good profit.. I was split testing landers for Bolivia, and 1 conversion bring 10$ profi t but avg. payout for Bolivia is 0.53$, so it is very tricky about testing phase, you must collect quite a lot of data, to be sure which lander is best...
I will continue to test creatives and some landers for Indonesia, also split test Bolivia with different bid's and start one more Geo...
See you later !
Reuner
And definitely try to test monetizer too, it might give you better results than propush. Always worth it to test more than one solution.
When you would take the $10 conversion for it you would go broke
But... the sad truth is that such tool most likely will not help you.
Reason is that you need it for very dynamic geos like DZ. But once you start your traffic it will need some time to ramp up. You get first impressions after few minutes, but big traffic needs like 20-30 minutes.
So problem is that once traffic flood arrives the ecpms already may be down again. Other problem is that ecpm is the overall average and thus not necessarily significant for your traffic.
Of course if you find trigger points for start/stopp that could be gold mine. However their tool is based on quite simple metrics. Can be nice if you use it for geos that work every once in a while for a 2+ hour time frame.
For all the rest I followed twinaxe's advice for IVR offers which is (like always) kind of the gold standard :-)
Thanks for your input @larsometer
I also think it shouldn´t be hard to write such script yourself, basically you only need to call the TC API every xx minutes, connect to the trafficsource API and based on result for the geo/carrier stop or start the campaign.
So problem is that once traffic flood arrives the ecpms already may be down again. Other problem is that ecpm is the overall average and thus not necessarily significant for your traffic.
Of course if you find trigger points for start/stopp that could be gold mine. However their tool is based on quite simple metrics. Can be nice if you use it for geos that work every once in a while for a 2+ hour time frame.
But I think it´s much more helpful for example to check the TC Telegram channel daily to get a better impression about more stable carriers.
Originally Posted by larsometer
I also have few geos where i see good results for quite some time that almost never or only very randomly popup in the top go reports of few different networks with these offers.
Hi all!
Much appreciate for helping and giving great advice! I will keep moving to get campaigns in to profit
Those days, I was doing little tests here and there in different verticals - gambling, dating, but will stick with sweeps, just need a little bit more time to get it in profit
@larsometer hey thanks, okey now I'm understand that this tool is not gold helper, what will make your campaign profitable But it can help to run campagns in long term with big volumes... That's true, ECPM changing very quickly, I'm found only couple geo's with more less stable ecpm..
Previous days was big - ROI.... here's stats -
Also I was testing EvaDav traffic network, a bit dissapointed , huge amount of sources make's it difficult to make some decision on BL... I got many 1 conv. per zone... Okey they allow to go very agressive with creatives and LP, but look's like traffic quality is not best... And also most annoying is that you cannot see which of sources are in blacklist until you click on "Add to blacklist", or maybe I didn't manage to understand that more deeply^^
btw I want to test also Pushground, what is your experience, if any?
My plan is to run mass test of different Geo's with Pop Traffic, and as I was testing best is to use SmartCPM @twinaxe ? Because I was testing CPA 2.0 but not succesfull, I was getitng traffic and if no conversion came, then everything is stopped...
Cheers, Reuner
If it stops too early you can make new camp and increase the bid. But be very careful with big and expensive geos. Easy to see your money burning. --> BIG pain.
Concerning IVR offers you sometimes need to time your cpa goal camps. When lines are down even the best traffic will not convert.
They can be great for scaling but on the other hand they add one more variable in the mix to take care of.
Some subsources (not specifically on Evadav) have so much volume that they can be considered as an own trafficsource itself.
But they also have subsources (supplies) and placements (sites) inside these subsources.
Some of the supplies also have massive volume so that they can be seen as own sources.
On SmartCPM you have more control over the bid and the zones.
On CPA Goal it can happen that you find bids like $40 or so in the beginning for some placements but when the campaigns don´t work the traffic will slow down alot (which is good).
The worst time on CPA Goal campaigns is the beginning when the algorithm sends traffic from best quality zones at high bids, there you can lose lots of money when you don´t have a good funel and run in geos like US.
All in all I would say itßs safer to run tests on Smart CPM or even CPM with a good WL and when you see good potential you still can run it on CPA Goal.
Hi all ! Thanks @larsometer and @twinaxe for great tips
So far I started to run Pop campaigns, need to dig a bit in optimization, but some geo's looks promising... Also started to run with Pushground will see how it will go
But now I would like to Introduce Indonesia campaign, that I'm trying to get profitable for long time, and maybe from data what you will see below, you can suggest something and help with improvement!
Geo: Indonesia
Offer: IVR Sweepstake Iphone
Bid : 0.005 CPC
TS : Propelller/ Classic Push / User Activity - HQ
Platform : Mobile / Android
Connection : 3G (Telkomsel)
Cost: 301 $
Rev: 139 $
ROI: - 53 %
Overall stats :
Top LP what I found atm for that campaign:
It is Sweepstake Lander with Small Survey + user have to open the box, and proceed to the offer...
OS Versions :
So far I excluded android : 2,3,4,5,6
Creatives:
I tried diferent text and icons + big images, even on dublicated campaigns, and don't know why it's best working with creative : Unanswered call .. You iPhone rdy for delivery ! I tryed that text with different Icons , images but usually works best as you see on screen.. Also I tested different other headlines..
Zones:
Plenty zones with 1 conversion and + ROI, overall only 3-4 zones are giving all volume.. I stop zones with 10 more click and 0 conversions, and 20more clicks 1 conversion.. is that good aproach?
Zones from Propeller:
Overall I tested like 3-5 LP, different creatives, tried to stop as much bad zones as possible..
Tested bid 0.006, 0.007, 0.008 - not working so good, also tried WL with 5 best zones : same not working so good..
And of course it is IVR, have to follow up API data, but I want to get closer to Breakeven even with shitty API...
Questions :
- When we speak about zones, as I see only bunch of zones are giving biggest volume, should I stop ALL zones which are getting small amount of Impressions and clicks (1 or 2) with cost of 0.010$
- To test new creatives, add them on working campaign or dublicate and test on new one?
-Most important for creative data is : CR or CPA or CTR or all together, as I mostly shut-off creative according to CPA+CR dont give a damn about CTR.. what should be good % of CR for creative 4% + ?
- 57% LP CTR seems to be okey?
-Would you continue to figure out to get that campaign to breakeven..
Cheers,
Reuner
Rev: 139 $
Average payout seems to be about $0.32 (which isn´t that bad for ID) so when you get the campaign today from running at -54% ROI (which is probably a bit higher in real because of trafficloss that is not shown in the tracker) to let´s say 10% ROI = 64% increase then you would make on average about $0.03 profit per conversion.
At $-161.57 you would need 5386 conversions just to break even overall under the conditions above.
At least for me a campaign that needs to be hyperoptimized to become profitable is no winner.
Btw, how did you decide to cut zones?
As we can see the average conversion value is about $0.32 but you keep zones running with higher CPA and at the same time you paused zones with lower CPA
When there´s enough volume available you can use a duplicate of an already optimized campaign, when there´s not enough volume I prefer to test in a new RON campaign.
CPA should always be lower than payout, otherwise you loose money.
CTR can´t be too low, otherwise you don´t receive enough traffic.
Do you have scripts like backbutton to click URL or full page clickable?
This can also lead to such high CTR.
Ohhh shit, just checked my FA, and understood that I deleted images from Imgur, and all Images lost here... fckk! It is possible to restore them?
So.. HI all! Hope you are great
Small update, still learning and trying to understand what's going on!
)) Would never hit that number of conversion in my situationBTW, so I will start more focusing on SOI,DOI offers! At the same time, will trying to break Nigeria, as I found in POP campaign, what lander can work, but yeah... will see how it will go!
Also planning to arrange mastermind group, or maybe someone have active mastermind group what can I Join?
Cheers,
Reuner
Originally Posted by reunerpertne
When you only want to spend $10 just pause the campaign when it reaches the amount.
@twinaxe understood about Pushground But atm propeller seems little bit easier with their zones, then pushground Supply ID and Source ID
So far I'm working on some Landers, making them more international, to change only couple things before launching campaigns, otherwise it's taking to much time, I usually make custom logo for separate countries (flag or mobile carriers logo's), to not waste time, will go for some standart lander...
Also question, did you find difference in promoting iPhone&Samsung offer's in countries where >85% are android users,does it's converting same or with some difference..
That way you waste too much time and energy on stuff that´s not worth it.
Test rough and fast just to spot chances and then put more work into the campaigns that show potential.
As usual it all cmes down to the offer.
There´s a good iPhone offer available? - Then it will convert
There´s a good Samsng offer available? Then it will convert
One thing that´s always worth to test is to run the previous models instead of the current ones (for example iPhone 11 instead of iPhone 12).
Don´t ask me why but I had several situations where it works good.
Hi all!
Small Update!
Still testing Traffic Company IVR offers, and quick question from start:
-Let's say I launched 3 Geo's : Hong-Kong, Montenegro, Jamaica
-LP - Wheel,Survey,Box
-4 Creatives
-1Offers - IVR sweep iphone 12
And all geo's after spending testing budget, what is quite low 3*1*0.20*10= 6$ (as example, because I do not remember exact payout, but avarge is something like .20..) And all three geo's finish testing very bad with roi -80 / -95, only few convertions, even not enough data to start something to optimize... Would you move on to another geo's (I speak about TC IVR offers) or test other prizes?
Then I started Ghana, got some number of conversion's and now i'm confused, how to take winner lander, as results are below:
A/B testing calculator show's that LP Number 3 (Survey) is best, but when we check stats in tracker, we see that that lander got most biggest - ROI...
Should I need to keep all landers work and get more data?
And same for Creatives, After first 20 conversions, I found out which Logo is performing best, then I took it and made extra 3 creatives with different headlines, results are here:
What would you choose from above, or I need more data, to find real winner..?
Overall campaign is running second day, results are below :
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Is it worth to try it get breakeven?
Zones:
You can still test them again later when their IVR performance is maybe better.
They can only tell you which element is best/worst based on clicks and conversions but these calculators don´t know the offer payouts for example.
So even when a lander is shown as best in a SS calculator it´s still possible that another lander makes more money because it generates higher payouts.
It´s same for offers, don´t only check their performance in the SS calculator, also compare with their real performance with different payouts included.
Btw, one thing that I see in your screenshots.
It seems that you use the clicks for the SS calculator, better use the visits for it.
Hi all!
Long time silence from me, but I'm still here, so no worries
I was rethinking a bit my AM road to profitability, and last 5 days I trying my self in POP traffic.. Not much spend, still trying to understand what price model is best for testing with Propellerads on RON traffic...
I'm running IVR offers from Traffic Company, still can't let them go, have to take some other flow sweepstakes, as fluctuating in performance are sometime annoying)
i'm very "green" in pop, ready all hot FA, to get a bit more understading, but seems it can work lol..
Those are quite small volume geo's, but giving me some insight what is going on...
I think my new approach will be more money saving if I go with pop and then go for push (when find some good campaign)...
Also I running normally 3 LP - Box, Quize, Wheel
Propeller AM told me, that best approach would be go for CPA Goal 2.0 at the beginning and then scale on CPM, but for me CPA Goal2.0 works only if performance is really good for geo, then it's start converting, otherwise 0 conversions.. So I just run campaigns at Smart CPM pricing model and when found some good zones I run CPA Goal.. only thing that I run geo's with no so big volume...
I wanted to try some Europe country, what do you think about Italy Pop traffic?
Okey will see how it will go,
Cheers,
reuner
I also still love pops, no shame running it
CPA Goal is great but I only use it when I have a converting funnel.
When you run CPA Goal in test stage it can happen that you lose quite some money because the bids there can be really high, especially in the beginning of a CPA Goal campaign.
When you run it on a WL or BL you often receive only very low volume so I prefer to just run it RON and let the algorithm take care of it.
But again, I only run CPA Goal on proven funnels.
@twinaxe you answered faster then I get conversions ^^ Appreciate with your advices and explanation, now it's clear for me
I have quick questions about Landing pages: when we speak about angle, let's take a Wheel lander, you are more focused on Wheel itself+logos+comment images or more about text ? Just from where to start... is it good to change text and wheel + logo + images at same time or do step by step, what from you experience make's biggest increase in CTR,CR when you change anglge of LP...
And one more question - When I'm start running pop, got something like 20k visits per day is it more usefull to put Subscription link to collect push subs, or put direct link on BACK BUTTON? That is the revenue from 3 days with BB subcription link..
Cheers
Reuner
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