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Native traffic source for WH MMO offers? (22)

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Hi,

I was trying to launch my first native campaign. Traffic source was Taboola.

Unfortunately they rejected my first campaign for the following reasons?

• Claiming financial freedom (not allowed)
• Exact money-making amount claims (not allowed)
• Terms and Conditions in English - not French
• Missing video transcrip / fast-forward and rewind buttons
• Use of racy/unrealted images in creatives

I'm assuming that Outbrain would reject it as well. On the spy tool I saw that revconent might approve me.

What other native traffic sources with decent traffic are recommended? I'm running in French, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese language.

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Only other ones I would recommend are Revcontent and maybe MGID. Revcontent doesn't have a ton of non-English inventory though (apart from their push stuff possibly).

Was going to add though - one thing I have been seeing a ton of lately on Taboola is email submits for either Forex or Binary Options, not sure which - but those are absolutely killing it. So if you can somehow turn your offer into a really whitehat email submit they might approve it.

The angle I keep seeing is "You could have made tens of thousands with Amazon if you'd invested x", and then it's a rather ambiguous landing page about money/investing that is collecting emails, where- if I understand right- the person is eventually marketed to with forex and/or binary options and all that jazz.

But yeah, they're both pretty strict lately (Taboola and Outbrain I mean). We used to get lots of Clickbank vsl's approved on Outbrain but we've been denied on like the last 5 we've submitted - even ones we used to do heavy volume with them on.

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I’m assuming you’re using a landing page for this campaign, right?

If so, I’d try to work on the lander, since usually it is what triggers red compliance flags. Adopting the terms and conditions, and the privacy policy page shouldn’t be that big of an issue. There are lots of free services to generate these online.

Work on the headline, get rid of any bold claims or even fake player buttons that could be present in the page. All of these are prohibited from quite some time on tier one networks.

Then anything too aggressive you see running on these networks are most probably cloaked campaigns or those promoting them have preferential deals and terms as a result of long term huge spends.

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Thank you!!!!

I kept seeing these landers everyone and couldn't figure out if they were Binary or what. Do you think they are allowed to send that info on to the call center as a lead or have to follow up with email funnel to the actual offer page? Because the Thank You page says to expect a call.

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This would depend on the actual setup of the LP and/or offer... if they collect just the email address, an email follow up will be next, if they ask for a phone number, they are most likely about to call them.

I'd say content.ad could approve this too. You can also register at voluumdsp and ask their support which networks of the ones they work with, would likely approve such campaigns.

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That's a good question - I'm not sure... I don't know enough about how the vertical typically works - but yeah those ads are definitely everywhere right now!

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The ones I saw asked for a phone number and the thank you page said to expect a call.

I've been reading a lot about Native, I'm really thinking of running it. I had been trying to do Facebook with nutra, and then eCommerce, but I'm just getting tired of trying to stay ahead of the ban hammer. I know there is so much money to be made on Facebook, but also gets old fighting the traffic source.

You seem to be a big fan of Outbrain and Taboola, are nutra viable on those platforms? I do see a lot of the aforementioned Trading on Taboola and Outbrain, so that is an option. However, I suspect the payout is so high that it would be expensive to learn and optimize.

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Native is great but it's very expensive. We have a successful business based on it that makes good money, but it was brutal when we started and I probably got as low as -60k overall before figuring it out and getting back into green and then seeing consistent profits each month. Not saying that would be the case with everyone - we were very aggressive in trying to master it as quickly as possible and spent a lot of money to do so, but yeah, it's definitely pricey.

And then Taboola and Outbrain do not allow any nutra... they are probably more strict than Facebook in that regard, they just don't ban peoples accounts for no reason constantly lol...

But yeah, I even tried doing an email signup > auto-sequence promoting a Clickbank weight-loss offer and they even denied that, so I'm not sure how these guys are getting these binary/forex email submits approved to be honest, though clearly they are.

If you're interested in native but want to run binary/forex/nutra/etc, I'd just try push. Push and native aren't really that different, and a lot of the networks have both now.

Not trying to dissuade you from native, just want to be clear about how expensive it can be to learn it. Push is much cheaper, and compliance is way less strict. And it seems to me that then once you find your legs with it it would be a pretty natural evolution from push to native, since a lot of the verticals and landing pages are the same.

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I appreciate your frankness, thank you.

And yes, perhaps I should look at Push. I tended to think of it is low end offers, but perhaps some more spying might open my eyes. Because yes, it is definitely less strict and certainly cheaper. And from reading, a lot of the optimization could carry over. While there isn't as strong a connection between Source and content, it does seem you are looking for those Sources that do well with your offers.

I am kind of leaning away from Binary/Forex/Crypto simply because the payouts are so high. Looking at the networks I'm currently on, most of the Crypto offers seem to be 400, 500 or even 600. To be able to learn and optimize those would be a rather high budget just for learning at this stage.

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When deciding on what offers to run on what traffic sources or types, it's really a good idea to do some spying to see who is running what on them, because those will be the people you compete against. Technically speaking, ANY offer will convert on ANY traffic, to some extent. But you will be competing against people who run the best converting offers as they basically set the bidding prices. So even some super niche specific ecom product would get some sales from any traffic, but you would likely not be profitable as the other people drive the bids too high.

A quick spying session will tell you whether products similar to yours seem to be promoted frequently on a particular sources, if they do, that's a good sign. But even if you don't see them there, that doesn't mean you shouldnt try... maybe you have something very unique that's not so popular, yet? Someone has to be the first to try, the herd will follow suit later on

These high payouts really make the optimization hard, especially for people who don't have the necessary experience, yet. On top of that, crypto offers are scammy from a large part so it's definitely not my favorite vertical at all

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Thank you.

Yes, I'm not sure I want to be a first mover just yet. Not because it is bad, but because I don't have the experience to spot good products that are likely to do well. So I do need to rely a bit on the herd, if no one is doing it, then it may not be right for me yet.

And yes as to Crypto, that is definitely a negative. But really, the biggest one for me right now is the high payout and the budget it would take to learn and optimize it.

If and when I launch a Native FA, I'm definitely hoping you and jack will give me lots of input.

Also, how do you tag someone?

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It's perfectly fine to follow the herd, when starting out, absolutely nothing wrong with that I've done the same, just as waste majority of the people here on the forum, I'm sure about it

Anytime you have questions, just ask, plenty of our members and the whole mod team is happy to help

Just place the @ sign in front of a username and the plugin will automatically transfer it into a tag.

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It's perfectly fine to follow the herd, when starting out, absolutely nothing wrong with that I've done the same, just as waste majority of the people here on the forum, I'm sure about it

Anytime you have questions, just ask, plenty of our members and the whole mod team is happy to help

Just place the @ sign in front of a username and the plugin will automatically transfer it into a tag.

Here is the thread where Amy announced this feature, along with explanation on how to use it, when it got implemented: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...e-User-Tagging

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I seem to recall using it before, but when trying to tag @matuloo, it isn't showing it as I type. Hopefully it does it after. I guess I'm use to most of the social media platforms automatically trying to tag as once they see the @ symbol.

At the moment, I'm just waiting on the aff network and product owner to approve the creatives, and then off to get the traffic network to approve it.

I'm trying to use RedTrack for tracking, however I'm a bit disappointed. I signed up for the free trial, but I'm not sure if the trial doesn't include SSL on the tracking domain or it simply is taking a long time to be implemented.

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It won't show as you type, but once you submit the reply it will get converted.

I'm just checking their pricing here: https://redtrack.io/pricing/ free SSL isn't even in the basic plan, but the trial says "all features"... hard to say if it's included. Let me try to tag @redtrack they check the forum periodically

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Hopefully. My intention was always to get the Pro plan anyway.

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@iwanttofly - the reason that you do not see free SSL in free trial is following:
- we do not issue free server side self-encrypt SSL - like Let`s encrypt
- we go out and purchase a proper SSL certificate for your domain - so just ping us though any channels and we will have it done fast. And please consider that we also offer demo and onboarding assistance - it will really help you up and running fast.
@matuloo - thank you for mentioning us. We are indeed less active on forums then we should. Looks like we need to hire a person just to scroll around

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Oh yes, I'm sure there are plenty of people here on the forum who either already use it or consider to give your tracker a go. We're always happy to have reps of a popular product posting on the forums!

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Thank you. We finally managed to get it worked out and now I'm waiting on my first campaign to be approved by the traffic source.

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Glad to hear that iwanttofly, RedTrack are great guys, I'm happy they took care of you!

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@jack_l thanks for sharing your native experience here...that's what scares me about it as a noob, though I really want to learn it this year.

Couple q's for ya...

1. With push traffic and nutra, did/do you have any (highly) profitable campaigns running it...or know anyone that has? Searching here haven't seen anything with it. Everywhere I look it's all native for nutra. I would love to start running some nutra, and push sounds great as training wheels for native...if it's actually viable for decent ROI.

2. Curious how well collecting emails works for nutra, with ROI/conversion/etc? I'm guessing it will standard-fare kill the front end instead of going straight to offer, but my goal is to build email lists and collect data as much as I can for the long run. And of course cross-selling other offers for all kinds of nutra.

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Hey @mcstacks - so we don't actually run push or nutra, so I'm not the guy to answer that one lol.

With that said, unless I'm seriously mistaken, I believe that nutra is one of the biggest verticals on push, since push is one of the only traffic sources you don't have to cloak to run it on.

But yeah, there's a million ways to do things... I suppose if you're primary focus is nutra, you'd want to try it on both push AND native.

If you're primary focus is just finding a traffic type to master and generate profits from, then I'd probably just pick either push or native (or whatever else) and focus just on it. Although I do think that push and native seem to be pretty complimentary/overlapping.

If you haven't already done so I would absolutely sign up for Adplexity Native and Adplexity Push and then you can see exactly what traffic networks are working for the type of offers you want to run.

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