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Hello Everyone here at STM, I’m new here.

After reading a bunch of guides and follow along a, I’m inspired to create my own and take you guys along the way with me.

A little about me: I’m not a genius. I’m a very slow learner. So hopefully you guys bare with me. I have a business outside of this but I’m looking to free myself from it. Why? Because the business is long hours and could potential cause negative health effects later on so I don’t want to do it for too long. Anyways, I’ve ran a few campaigns in the past but no luck. Now that I have the time to start again, hopefully the geniuses here could help me! Thanks I’m advance

So here is my set up.

Offer: sweepstakes
Payout: .28
Tracker: Voluum
Traffic: I use propellerads and selfadvertiser
Landing page: yes I use them.

The approach:

I’m split testing 2 offers (given by my AM) on specific geos that was provided by him that he said with the most revenue.

I’m using 2 landing pages that I got from Adplexity (of course I changed all the links)

So we’ll see how it goes?

Will update tomorrow!



Btw I’m not sure how to do a properly follow along so please advise me if need more information as I go.

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Thank you very much for taking us along your way

Me neither.

The good thing is, you don´t have to be a genius.

Simple rule: Provide as many details as possible.

The more details, the better we can help.

This would be stuff like how many offers per campaign, how many landers per campaign, what traffic, offer payouts, campaign budget, overall stats, placement stats and so on

When you feel unsure about what to post and what not just update the thread with whatever you think is helpful and we can go from there step by step then.

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Thanks for the update.
First thing, please check HERE how to properly add images to the posts.

It´s much better to read then

About the stats, I don´t really get it.

In the image with the placements for campaign 1 it says cost is $11.291 but in the image from Voluum for campaign 1 it said that cost is about $30.

Can you please clarify it?

$30 for a $0.28 payout offer would also be way too higt, this would be aroung 100x the offer payout.

Then for both campaigns the landing page CTR seems to be pretty low, what kind of landers are you using?

When you don´t see any potential.

In the beginning it can help to use a rule like

Number of landing pages x Number of offers x Average offer payout x 10 = Test budget

When you don´t see any conversions after 50% of the test budget you can stop the test.

It´s also good to run the tests a bit structured, find best LP first and use it to test offers.

You could use a structure like this:

Step 1: Test different landing pages and offers together
Step 2: As soon as an offer converts 2-3 times use it to test for the best lander
Step 3: Use the best lander to test more offers with it

Important is to don´t get too fixed on a campaign.

When it´s not working it´s not working - simple as that.

Then it´s better to move on and test something else instead of trying to get something bad running no matter what.

Budget spent.

There is not that average CTR, it can vary alot depending on geo, device, vertical.

It should be high enough that the campaign can be profitable.

Impossible to tell when we don´t know what landers you are using

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Sorry for the confusion! My newbie mistake. it was a picture of recent one and another campaign that is totally unrelated. I test that offer before I started this Follow along. Please disregard it!!



I was using the "spinning wheel sweepstakes and the "select the box and if you get it within 3 tries you get the prize" kind of landers. I got it from Purelander but I did my research from adplexity and my AM also recommended it. Pretty much the typical sweepstakes landers. haha, so the way I was going to approach it.. is put those 2 landers up to see which one has a better CTR then I'll make a variations of that specific type to see test further on Landers...




Ok i will follow this rule! but my problem was that I saw soo many different sources but low number in visits so I thought I give them a try, or at least give the rule "2-3x the payout per source' a try.




So from this... Would it make sense for me to run 3-5 different campaign (with 2 landings and 2 offers at most)
or should I just run 1-3 campaigns (with 3-4 landers and 3-4 offers)?

Yea I struggle a lot with the "oh maybe I can just test a little bit longer.. it'll be different.." kind of mentality.

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The landers itself are ok but I personally didn´t have good experience with purelander.

I tested it when they were new because I just wanted to check them out but the landers there were not good.

Can you show pictures of your landers or send links?

Bevause your CVTR looks pretty low for these landers.

First identify good landers for your targeting, then use them for testing offers.

So the later campaigns should only consist of 1 lander and several offers.

You also don´t need to test for landers again and again when you promote a new offer.

When you have a good lander for your targeting you can use it for many different offers, also for different products.

For example when you have a good lander for iPhone 11 but want to test Samsung Galaxy S10 you can use the same lander and just need to change the images and text to the new offer.

Usually things that don´t work before start converting magically when you keep them running for longer.

They just cost more money

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Sure I was using these 2 landers.





Maybe I messed up somewhere that's why. I will double check again and make an update.

[QOUTE]First identify good landers for your targeting, then use them for testing offers.

So the later campaigns should only consist of 1 lander and several offers.

You also don´t need to test for landers again and again when you promote a new offer.[/QUOTE]


I think this is... this is what I've been looking for as to how to get started on testing when I don't have any that is "proven" of my own. I always wonder.. "what should I test first? offers? landers? traffic?" been reading everywhere but no one mentioned it specifically. Thank you soo much Twinaxe!!!

Sorry if my posts sometimes don't make much sense... I will try to be clearer in the future posts!

But I think I know how to approach this correctly. I will make another update in a few days. In the mean time, going to check adplexity out and test more offers..

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May I ask in what geos you are running your campaigns?

The landers look ok so far, at least from what we can see on the images.

But as I said before, your CTR is really low for such landers.

And what´s your CTR on push traffic with these landers?

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I'm running a few Geos (mostly middle eastern) to be honest using the general "English" language. Maybe that's why it's not really converting...

For Push here are the results..

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EN lang can work well in some GEOs, but based on my own tests, localized copy pretty much always wins. Yes, it's a hassle to get everything translated and it comes at a cost, but that's what keeps a solid part of the competition out... higher barriers to entry can mean a great opportunity for those, who're willing to work for it.

In the AM world, all of us speak at least some English, that's why many look at EN speaking markets first, but that dramatically increases the competition. And to be honest, spytools are full of LPs in ANY language, so why not grab some there and edit them a bit so they look fresh?

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Yea, I totally agree. I’m pretty hard
Headed so I need to experience it myself in order for the lesson to stick. Lol

But I launched 5 more campaigns (testing 2 smart links from Monetizer and 3 landers with 3 offer per lander)


Are there any selfadvertiser member that can help me with this? These campaign went live a day ago but I’m getting no traffic whatsoever. I tried to increase my bids, adjust to “as soon as possible” feature but still not getting a single traffic. I tried to contact their support and they recommended me to raise the bids (which I did) and now they are still looking for the problems. If anyone have any experience with this please advise. Thank you!


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I'm not using selfadvertiser, so not sure if there are any bugs in their system, but let me post a reply in this thread so it gets more views

BTW: how high did you bid and what GEO are we talking about? This should help in case someone with selfadvertiser experience pops up in this thread.

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In middle east English language can work but it also depends a bit on what you run and in what countries.

There are many foreign workers in some middle east geos so that English can help to reach more people but generally it´s safe to say that local language works better.

Do you run RON or keyword campaigns?

Then as matuloo said, would be good to know your bids, maybe they are just too low.

And what about your targeting, when you set it too tight it can also result in too low traffic.

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Hey Matuloo, so it turn out to be their internal problem. I ran 3 different campaigns on 3 different bids starting at the min of .0003, .0006, .0009

This is T2 country, Thailand.

They told me that it was too low and told me to bid higher and to use the "immediately" feature. So I change it to .003, .008, .01. They fixed the problem and it went through my budget within minutes so I didn't much data to test out with. It's my fault I should paused the traffic and let them fix it but its a newbie mistake that I learned for next time if it happen again.

Maybe I'll test out a different type of source, I'm not sure yet..

To answer Twinaxe, I was run RON because I don't know anything about the traffic source. As for targeting, I target mobile and tablet on. I wasn't being too specific because I was testing my landers and offers and their bids as well. Back to the drawing board.

Hopefully I can get another update in tomorrow!

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Here is a quick update:



This is an image of my 3 landers that I was running.

What do you suggest me doing now, should I test new landers or should I just keep the landers and test new offers? I am running this on RON pop on selfadvertiser. T2 countries, TH. These landers are iphone sweepstakes translated into local language...

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A big problem with running too low bids is not only that you receive low volume but especially on pops the bid has direct impact on the traffic quality as well.

When you bid too low to save few bucks you risk that you then only receive traffic from the lower end in terms of quality.

You get what you pay for

Please tell few more details, how many offers did you test in the campaign?

And total you paid about $39 for the campaign, correct?

Btw, would be great when you could post the header of the tracker as well so that we can see what columns you post

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I was testing 3 offers in the 3 campaigns. So there were 3 offers total and 3 different landing pages.

Each lander has the same 3 offers in it.

Ah ok I will include the column as well. Haha sorry!

But yes I agree. That’s why all 3 campaigns have different bids to see which bid range would be good but none.


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What are the payouts of these 3 offers?

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They payout were .28, .32, and .40. Yea it’s way beyond the testing budget but the guys from SA told me to increase my daily limit because 5/day might be enough to get traffic and when I increased to 10/day and on full throttle, it spent the budget when I was in bed.


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That´s why it´s always good to start campaigns when you are online for at least few more additional hours so that you can monitor the campaigns a bit better to avoid overspending.

But don´t worry, probably everyone of us lost quite some money already because of some unlucky factors or so

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Yup, there was a period in my mediabuying journey when I was NOT running any campaigns during the night and I was literally glued to the stats all the time during the day... I swear I was refreshing the stats every 10 minutes, even while watching TV or having dinner (my wife was afraid I went nuts But eventually, I calmed down and when I got enough confidence in what I was doing, it all got easier.

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so what do you guys suggest? Based on the ctr of these landers cases I’m not getting as much clicks to these offers to even test them so should I try new landers or redo them?


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I would suggest that we first make sure that your setup is working correct-.

Can you post your landers here?

Your CTR is indeed very low for a geo like TH, usually there should be much higher CTR.

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Sure, here are the 3 landers I was using.








the 3rd one was lowest of them all. It was just a test to see if it works because my AM saw it and sent it to me to test it. Yes indeed, these landers works very well in other countries but in TH is kinda weak.

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The CTRs do look very low, especially for the 2 landers where it's deep below 1%... the one closer to 2% looks better, I had profitable campaigns with POP traffic with about 2% CTR, but still... should be higher.

How did you chose these offers? Were they recommended by the AM or you randomly picked them?

BTW: which one of the 3 is the lander with the highest CTR?

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The one with the highest ctr is the spin lander.

And these offers were recommended to me and it was on the list of the top revenue from the network


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They look ok so far, can you also post the URL?

You can also send it in PM when you don´t want to post it in public.

Your CTR is something I would rather expect in geos like DE or US but not in TH.

Can you also post a screenshot from your campaigns targeting?

I don´t want to be pedantic but I just can´t imagine that the landers have such low CTR when everything is set up 100% correct.

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Here are some pictures of my targeting...










For each campaign, the set up is quite simple. 1 lander and 3 offers.

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Self. Advertiser.

Sneaky motherfuckers.

You need to get rid of “Chrome” Mobile Webview.

Check the browser versions and find webview, and Exclude it.

Watch your volume (of garbage) drop and your CTR rise.

Also, get rid of iOS. You don’t need to bother targeting that in TH. You also don’t want to run those OS together in the same camp.

Same for Linux. And Tablets. Just focus on one OS on mobile for now.

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I agree with jeremie, first target only Android.

Linux has nothing to do in the campaign.

Android and iOS are also too different to run them together (in most cases).

They have different volume, different bids and often also convert different.

Then get rid of webview, you can do it here



When you did the changes run traffic for few more dollars and check if the performance changed

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Alright guys, a quick update on this campaign.

So I did exactly what you guys recommended me. I removed chrome mobile webview, removed IOS, and blocked a few sources that spent 3x the payout. So what are the results?




these are the offers within the campaign. Not much of an increase...So i'm pausing it.

In the meantime, I also was testing a different campaign with different offers and here are the results.

this is from selfadvertiser




that same campaign above, I also ran on Propeller Ads and here are the results.




although it’s in a negative, I definitely have some data to work with it now.
I’m very excited to see something actually stick for now. Hehe


I'm just going to focus on Propeller ads for now and whatever balance I have on Self Advertiser, I will use it later to scale (if possible). otherwise, I wont' be using much of it because their traffic isn't working for me.

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Also check the placements.

Getting rid of some high voulume but non profitbale placements can sometimes increase the ROI a good bit already.

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So

So here are the current stat.

Here are impressions.


There weren’t anything significant that stood out. So I paused any zone ID that has 300+ impressions but no conversion. Going to let it run for now.

In the meantime, I’ve set up 3 other campaigns (focusing on the zoneid with 3+ conversions) each campaign will have different bidding. I’m trying to compare the quality and I want to see if I can lower the cost because it’s quite expensive.


I checked the browsers, os, etc.. not too significant either so going to let it run to collect more data

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Sadly it did not. I’m pretty glad I didn’t deposit over $500 on my first deposit.


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Thank you for the advice! See that’s exactly what I needed. I’ve been running iOS and Android together this whole time.


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Actually, I wish I were jeremie

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Oh boy, sorry for that.

Jaybot, Jeremie, J here, J there

Will be more cautious now.

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Alright guys just a quick update. here are the stats from my current campaign.

here are the zone id stats:




models:




browsers:



OS versions:





I just got a pay bump because quality are a ok but it's not enough to cover the cost. I already target android devices, - android webview, and cut out some of the sources that spent 3x payout. What do you guys think I should do? Should i just move on? or I should test something else..

Based on the pictures, is it normal to see that big of a difference in visits vs unique visits and clicks vs unique clicks??

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I’m guessing this thread is dead..


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Nope, it just takes a bit longer sometimes to get a reply, when too many replies pop up, its hard to keep up with all of them

Depends on the type of traffic and where you buy it from. I don't see such big difference in my stats, but it's normal to see quite high differences in certain GEOs.

BTW: when I look at some of your previous screenshots, the difference wasnt that big, was that a different traffic source?

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