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Continuing my AM learning journey with PUSH (35)

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Hi,
After completed Amy's 40 days tutorial on POP with some green camp, I was deciding whether to move on with PUSH, FB, or any other type of traffic. I didn't join STM for quite a long while.
Now that there's new tutorial on both FB and PUSH, I'm very excited to continue my journey of learning to be a proper AM.
I'll be going back through Amy's 40 day as a template to setup camp on PUSH. Hopefully this follow-along will be useful to fellow newbie AMers like myself. Cheers.

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Welcome back!

Looking forward to your progress, if there is anything you need help with, just ask

Matej.

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Let´s push you to success

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@twinaxe @matuloo Thank you so much for dropping by and encouraging message.
First day:
1. Finished Voluum setup, tracking domain done and verified. Added traffic source, aff network to the tracker.
2. Read STM post on tracking GET URL again.
3. Drop a message to my AM, apologize for being unprofessional and went out of reach. He replied, things are good, this makes me feel relieved.
4. Applied for offers, already granted.
5. Signed up with Haka since I just saw the name in Amy's new 2020 tutorial.

Tomorrow will sign up spy tool. First I was going to use some of the landers I did 6 months ago. But I think to check newer trends better, the pandemic might have caused some new normal in ways that I can't predict.
Cheers,

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Really important: When you ask your AM for offers and he/she sends approves you for offers please make sure to send traffic to the offers as soon as possible.

When you only ask for offers and never send traffic your AM will sooner or later lose motivation to put energy and work into your account when you never deliver something back.

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Thank you very much for the insight. I've just finished compile list of offers onto excel sheet.
There are some offers that came with its own "pre-lander" in the form of short quiz/questionnaire. So I think I'll test sending traffic to direct link.
@twinaxe Do you test direct link vs landers in one campaign? For example: create one camp for gift voucher sweep. Then have the tracker alternate traffic to direct link vs landers?
I'm still very cloudy with the extra dimension of PUSH creative as well, like do we have to perform test on the creative separately?

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Good luck @mrhaste!

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Thanks!

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Yup, you can do it like that. Split the traffic 50/50 between the directlinked and LP and compare the results.

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Just went through a lot of things the past few days.
1. Subscribed to Adplexity. They were very supportive when I subscribed the wrong package and were willing to help solve the problem. Having to go through Amy's guide again to refresh my memories.
2. Took landerlab for a spin since they're offering 7 days trial. There was a conflict with my previous setup on S3, Cloudfront, Route53, so I had to remove them. Currently waiting for landerlab's support since the javascript are messed up everytime I import the landers, whether from my own completed lander zip, or from Adplexity.
3. There were some hiccups too that alot of offers are showing errors when visiting them. Turns out some it was ISP problem, they might have blocked the domain, since I can access the offer page through mobile internet but not my fiber wifi.

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Don´t try to check every offer you want to run.

It takes too much time, especially for carrier billing offers.

Many offers nowadays have geo redirects, block proxy/VPN, only show the right offer for specific carriers and so on.

In the end it´s not worth it for low(er) payout offers, just send some traffic and then either it works or not.

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I'm so glad to know about this. I literally spent like 2 days checking the validity of the offers. Thank you very much.

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Completed many things today.

1. Fixed 8 landers, all translated by myself. It's taking time, but I believe it's the edge that I have being native in this geo. And it's taking less and less time as I gathered experience.
2. I deleted S3 buckets, Cloudfront, Route53 (that were done during Amy's 40 day POP tutorial) to try landerlab. Turns out I'm more comfortable fixing lander locally on Sublime. So I re-created S3 bucket, and this time I'm using Cloudflare for DNS and CDN. Found a very nice and simple YouTube instruction and followed it. Things work OK now.
3. I spent sooooo much time trying access my previous S3 bucket that I somehow got locked out. Worked until 2am and found that it was just a bug. Things solved now, don't want to go into too much detail since I wanted to keep this follow-along concise.

Plan for tomorrow is set up Voluum and working on PUSH creatives.
I have got to work faster and test more offers.

Cheers,

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Hey,

Congrats on taking action!
We had a conversation on CloudFlare and S3 a couple of days ago, and how to configure the cache not get overcharged for S3. It may be of interest to you:
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...988#post403988

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Thank you very much for your advice! I wouldn't know about it at all if you hadn't share that with me.
I've just the page rule on CloudFlare. Hope it's correct, I'm always confused when trying to understand DNS and all this A, AAA, CNAME stuff.

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1. Finished more landers.
2. Checked with Network and found that they have new offer of the similar sweep product so applied them, approved. Sent message to AM to let him know that I'm working on the PUSH creatives.
3. Gave landerlab a try again, and decided to move back to manual S3+Cloudflare.
4. Optimized some large images for better load time. Found some sneaky code and fixed them.
5. Uploaded landers to S3 via CrossFTP.
6. Added all landers to Voluum

Plan for tomorrow: Add click URL to landers, then create camp on Voluum, PropellerAds. Work on creatives and start sending traffic. Still have to find "messaging" icons though.

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Google is your friend

https://www.google.com/search?q=mess...=message+icons

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Been working on this for the past 2 days but didn't write up
1. Went through Amy's 40 day tutorial again, since there are so many things that I've forgotten. Especially last time I didn't use Voluum as tracker.
2. Put in the correct Click URL, re-uploaded landers.
3. I got a bit confused about Click URL not having https. Previously I used Binom and the support help setup the server and DNS, thus it's taking me sometimes to read and understand to make sure I don't screw up.
So I had to go back to landers and changed the Click URLs.
4. Since some of the offers don't allow traffic from Tablet, so I created rules in Voluum. If a device is tablet > send to all 8 landers but only 2 offers that take tablets. Default path > send to all 8 landers and all offers.



5. Re-read Amy's tutorial on testing landers and offers again.
6. Google for message icons. Since my photo retouch skill is almost none, so I tried to find color icons with "1" red circle on top, transparent as well. Also went through some forum posts about photoshop guides I might need to learn in the future.
7. Spent almost 2 hours crafting creative copies, I really appreciate Twinaxe 's guide and test a few variations.
8. PropellerAd's recommended CPC is 0.028, so I bid 0.018. It's under moderation for 20 minutes now, hope things will work out. In the mean time I'll start modifying these 8 landers to another similar offers.

Cheers,

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Ran into problems. Right now I'm testing 4 offers.
1. First 2 won't load under an ISP known as 3BB Broad band. I found out because I'm using it at home, won't load. But when using mobile carrier it loads. Propeller doesn't have an option to exclude WiFi/Broadband providers.
2. Last 2 won't load the offer page if it contains my ClickDealer affiliate ID. Already to my AM, he's checking with the advertiser. But I think I'll just leave these 2 offers alone.
3. Got one of the offers reached 2 conversions, so I paused all other offers. Will use the second offer to test landers.
4. Sent landers to AM for approvals since 2 more offers required pre-approve. Will add these 2 offers into the pool later once found a winning lander.



I'm very surprised how the budget got spent very quickly and still unsure the meaning of Visits, Unique Visits, Clicks, Unique Clicks on the Voluum report. Are these numbers the traffic to offer page, not landers?
Will read Voluum's doc to understand, and will check placements for some blacklisting. Gotta take a break coz I've been sitting in front of PC for 3 hours straight now.

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Why did you choose PropellerAds as your traffic source? Just wondering, what were the arguments?

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As per Twinaxe's PUSH tutorial on traffic, he taught us how to spot traffic source for testing and traffic source for scaling.
For testing, the traffic source should support "targeting by subscription age or user activity." ie. focus on quality rather than quantity.

Besides, I have some credit left there since the days of learning to POP too

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Visits - the number of clicks Voluum recorded on the campaign link, so the number of clicks you got from propeller... these are sent to your LPs

Unique Visits - same as above, just "unique". If the same person clicks twice, it's 2 visits but just 1 unique visit. I'm not 100% sure how they determine a "unique" though, it could be 2 different people sharing the same connection. Maybe the @voluum guys could chime in and explain what method they use to differentiate from a visit and unique visit.

Clicks - the number of clicks on your LP, so people who actually clicked through on the LP and went to the offer.

Unique Clicks - same as above, just "unique" again. SO if 1 person clicks twice, or you have some autoredirect script on the LP, it will count 2 clicks but it will be just 1 unique click.

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That is very concise and clear, thank you so much, I really appreciate it.

Updates:

1. I paused the 2 offers that won't load on the 3BB Broadband provider. Will use this offer again when testing Carrier traffic.
2. Talked to AM, the offers that blocked my Aff ID, advertiser still doesn't get back, so just don't promote them.
3. Landers that I've sent for approval has been approved. So that makes me left with 3 offers to test on WiFi.
4. Fixed some landers wording as suggested by AM, re-uploaded.
5. Created new camp on Voluum, new camp on Propeller. Waiting for approval.
6. Use zoneid report from yesterday and created Blacklist. These are placements that were already 2x lowest offer payout. (Many of them exceeded wayyyyy beyond that, and I ran my camp for only 30 minutes!). Excluded those placements on Propeller's new camp.

So after went through @vortex 40 day tutorial again. This is what I will be doing.

A. Run test on WiFi until an offer reached 2 conversion. The idea is just to find offer that's somewhat converting well.
B. Use that offer from A. to test and find winning lander.
C. Use winning lander from B. to test all the offers that were paused. Keep eliminating until winning offer is found.

The question is after C. once found winning lander + winning offer on WiFi
Do I have to repeat exact process on Mobile Carrier? Or Do I just run the winning lander + winning offer on Mobile traffic? @twinaxe @matuloo

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Welp... all my creatives has been rejected. Will get back to it later...

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Yup, for testing it´s better to target higher quality

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lol..This is a powerful argument.

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In an ideal case, you should target carrier traffic in a separate campaign, the reason is that carrier traffic tends to be more expensive. So when targeting both, you might be overpaying for wifi, or not bidding high enough to get the good carrier clicks.

BUT, this has been a strong argument while carrier billing offers were still performing and plenty of buyers were hunting for carrier traffic, which is not the case anymore. These days, it likely doesn't matter much.

Let's wait for @twinaxe to chime in, he's running way more push traffic than I am at the moment.

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Updates:

1. Worked on the creatives again, and followed Propeller's guidelines, got approved.
2. Began running test on 3 offers, WiFi only. One of the offers went dead within 5 mins. (Is this normal for sweeps?) The offer page just gone inaccessible.
3. Ran test on the remaining 2 offers, one received 2 conversions, so I'd use that to test landers.
4. Excluded 5 placements that were in a lost of 2x payout.
5. Cut 2 landers using Peakconversion tool.



6. Cut 2 creatives using PeakConversion tool.


7. Paused camp since I'll be going to bed. Don't want to have it run overnight, better run it while I work in front of PC so I could blacklist placements in time.
Today's result: -$7.12

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I'm wondering if the volume is too low? I ran this camp for 3 hours. Recommended bid was 0.03 and I set it to 0.019

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You received around 500 clicks and spent $12 +/- over 3 hours... which would be close to $100 if you let it run for the full day, that's more than enough for initial testing. You can actually go a bit lower with the bid in order to limit the traffic more.

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Thank you very much as always, for taking your time to support me on this journey. Really appreciate it. I will increase bid slowly and see what happens. At least the conversion isn't so bad, and I've been Blacklisting placements that were 2x lowest payout.

To share about plus side. I think I'm getting much more understanding on how to use tracker properly now. Before I just keep creating new camps every time I make changes, and it's quite hectic. Now I'm keeping one camp per WiFi / 3G, keep things running and segment reports by hour instead. This way it is much easier to see placement performance.

Cheers,

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Went through available offers at ClickDealer again. Honestly it's too bad that somehow some offers block my Aff ID, and I don't know why. I guessed I will venture into more vertical soon.
To be complete honest, I feel lots of fear of failure. But hey, gotta keep moving eh?

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One more thing about volume throughout the day: it goes up and down naturally, there are peak hours (usually 6-10pm) then there are pretty much dead hours (during the night). You will never have totally consistent volumes hour after hour. On top of that, the prime-time traffic is known to convert better, so there are affiliates running dayparted campaigns and targeting just these hours... to put it simple, the competition changes throughout the day too. That's why I always try to run 24 hours, to get a better picture of the whole day... 24/7 is ideal, as you can compare the performance from one day to the next, to better identify the patterns.

Could be more sensitive offers that are no open for everyone, could be a dead offer that's still listed, could be an offer from an advertiser who already kicked you off one of their offers... ask your AM, they will know the exact reason.

Every new affiliate feels like that at some point, every single one. There is a point where you just feel like everything you touch is a failure and you simply don't understand how this shit could work. Because honestly, it does look like that, when one's starting out... I had the same problem Some people get through this stage, some give up, some realize it's not for them... this is like a net, some can get past it, some don't But at the end of the day, it's the same in any other business.

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Updates:

1. Decided to use recommended bid at 0.028 for both camps.
2. Went back to read my previous follow-along on Amy's 40 days POP. Saw @twinaxe 's reply here

I'd totally forgotten about this. Right now I'm running test on both Mobile and Desktop's carrier traffic. (Although I doubt there'll be that many desktop using carrier traffic)
But it might affect the recommended bid suggested by Propeller right?

Anyway, since I'm already running this far. Won't change the variables now.

3. Camp A: 2 out of 5 offers has been eliminated.
4. It's 10pm here so I decided to paused the traffic, let the remaining juice comes in and hopefully drain before midnight.

Tomorrow both my daughters are competing in dance tournaments, so I'll probably won't keep the traffic running. Also my STM account's expired tomorrow. Will be back again after 2-3 days.
@matuloo Thank you so much again for your generous support. I really am feeling grateful for this. Regardless of religious believe, I do believe in Karma, and I believe what you're doing is impacting your life is a good way too.
Cheers,

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Not sure if you're still reading this, but anyways

This wont make much difference, the amount of desktop users using carrier connections isnt that big, it's kinda pointless to be this granular when targeting.

I'm glad to help if there is a way, thanks for the kind words!

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