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Pushing it to the limit with SPAM (56)

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This FA will largely be around me learning about PUSH notifications as a traffic source.

Core Tenets:

• Test, test, test - launching minimum 1 test per day whether it be a lp, offer or creative, trying to relentlessly gather as many insights as possible. (Science)
• Focus on building online sales/copy-writing skills - to refine and iterate instead of just ripping and running, not reinventing the wheel, but making it go faster. (Propaganda)
• Being as aggressive as possible, aiming to get around 10% of campaigns disapproved by traffic sources, avoiding bans of course - no cloaking. (Aggression)
• When profitable campaigns appear to scale them as hard and fast as possible profitably. Avoid complacency (Magnitude)

(S)cience (P)ropaganda (A)ggression (M)agnitude or SPAM for short.

With push I want to get away from the standard rip and run sweepstake offers common in pops that I've been doing. It's hard to build any meaningful skills after a certain point, at the end of the day I want to be working directly with offer owners or owning my offer, aka moving to the top of the food chain. I'm not going to do that without serious skills.

Push allows for greater variety and more thoughtfulness around campaigns - both acting as a barrier and as a method to building core marketing skills.

I'm aiming to assault higher payout offers in English speaking geos, of course I may use T3 geos or low payout offers to cheaply learn a traffic source or build WL/BL in the beginning.

Ladies and gents, we are PUSHing it to the limit.

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Nice one

Will try to follow the FA.

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Very wise decision, the days of pure "rip&run approach" are pretty much over. Use the spytools as a source of inspiration, not as a go-to source of creatives

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This FA got off to a bit of a slow start, I spent the last 2 weeks:

• Switching over from Voluum to Binom, due to the great automation API they have.
• Talking to some affiliates running big (to me) numbers and just absorbing their mindset
• Reading a lot of books on copy-writing and sales
• Spying all English speaking geos for all vertices

Basically a whole lot of time thinking.

Yesterday I finally launched my first set of campaigns



Man that made me sad, I spent all this time learning to get terrible results? Even worse than before?

I realized that I never applied anything I learnt, I just ripped and ran - you know what they say, old habits die hard.

So I woke up today determined to actually apply what I learnt and made new landers/tweaked old ones and using the same set of offers here is today's result:



Wow, this is the best day I've had in affiliate marketing so far BY FAR and it's not even over yet.

No optimizations, it's a RON campaigns with a test budget.

I'm feeling so energetic and determined, this COPYWRITING SHIT WORKS.

If I can turn -81% into +142%, anything is possible

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Congrats for the nice ROI! Lot more green days to come for sure!

Just curious: what automation do you have with Binom that you did not have with Voluum?

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Thanks jeremie , let's hope for a green and prosperous weekend

I tried to automate some stuff via Voluum REST API, the documentation was really confusing and didn't seem to allow me to easily do a lot of functions such as global WL/BL, per placement monitoring that I wanted to do.

You could probably do the same stuff with both but Binom's documentation is a lot more clearer and easier for me to understand.

Eventually I'd like to only handle strategic decision making and have everything else automated.

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Let's look at the full-day results of yesterday:

• $68 revenue - that's a record high for me
• $38 profit - also a record day for me
• Pretty great day overall

Lets look at today:

• Still a really solid day testing a bunch of stuff, yesterdays success made me decide to really test a lot of elements on this campaign to "hone" it in so that I can try scale it with a higher ROI over the next week or so.
• Of course the result looks like shit and will make people think WTF happened - don't worry - if I kept everything I same as yesterday I would've again had a record day , but I want to use this as an opportunity to test a lot of things and improve my copywriting and tech skills.

Aim is to test a lot and get the ROI even higher (200%-300%) so there is a lot of buffer for it to decrease when I scale

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Very nice, glad to see that the new skills are helping you to grow!

Couple years ago, it was enough to just copy stuff from others and run it too.. those days are over from the most part. The good news is, it often takes really minor tweaks to improve the overall performance

I'd love to hear how much you actually changed... not looking for details, just to get a rough idea Were these dramatic changes or just some small tweaks?

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I changed up the "angle" of the creative + LP, so it appealed to a much more defined audience instead of "everyone want an x? you can get it here". Didn't take that long at all since I followed my Cashvertising notes.

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Great, so just a bit better, more targeted copy-writing and the results improved. Perfect.

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At first congrats to your numbers, this looks really good.

Maybe post about it in the Revenue Milestone section, that way you can keep track about your journey a bit and also motivate others.

You can try it but this would mean that you have to take the already existing traffic and improve your already very good funnel or tighten the targeting which probably results in lower volume..

I would do it rather the other way round and try to get more volume to the winning funnel and also use it then to gather more placement data that can be used for future campaigns as well.

This can be worth much more longterm.

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Thanks twinaxe , I'll give a post there when I hit $100 per day, really burning myself to get there sometime this or next week.

I think you are quite correct about trying to improve my funnel, it seems that there are some diminishing returns, I was even thinking about changing up the colors lol - might be worth it more when I'm run 10x the volume.

I think your advice is quite good, I'll try scale it up a bit and THEN make tweaks - it'll be easier to get stat sig for smaller changes with more volume + they'll make more impact.

Today's result:

• Today is shaping out to be very good, have already surpassed my previous record by a bit and the day is not even over
• I setup monetizer and have begun collecting push subs, of course that payout is residual and will build up over time but it'll help me squeeze in some extra ROI
• Tested out some slightly different creatives which performed about the same if not slightly higher

Overall a pretty solid day, now I'm in my war-room thinking how to scale gracefully without ruining everything.

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Yup, there are certain parts that have dramatic effect on the final performance of the creatives/funnel and there are some that only have a minor one. It's better to focus on the more important ones predominantly and only mess with the minor stuff when you have "nothing better to do"

The headline, angle, major graphic elements ... these things have major impact.
Colors, fonts, minor layout tweaks... these won't make or break a campaign.

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• Today profits are down a fair amount, one of the offers had it's CR% really drop and have announced a 65% pay drop today too, I double checked with my AM and this is for ALL affiliates
• My AM hinted that all the offers in this verticle/geo may soon start experiencing the same thing over the next couple days and may be worth pausing traffic soon.
• I imagine they probably have either have had enough leads or are dealing with regularity oversight/change.

Feels like I was the last person to the party and now all the booze is gone , sucks that I'll have to start again but at least now I have some experience under my belt and a WL/BL.

Also had a headache since I woke up today which really sapped a lot of my energy today so I couldn't really think of a good solution, I'll probably just try running a few competing offers for now while I think of what to do next. Hoping tomorrow is better

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This does happen sometimes, there might be some new regulation that had a dramatic effect on the GEO. Or some major advertiser in a specific geo/vertical has run into some problems or drained their budget, finished testing something etc...

The good news is, the party usually continues in some other GEO, or in another vertical etc... just keep your eyes open, talk with your AM and act quickly once there are signs of growth in some other area.

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Better get used to it, happens again and again.

That´s why it´s important to always keep testing so that you always have something running

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Man the curse of the STM newsletter is real. Kind of glad I'm now famous (DM for autographs) but the day after ALL my camps went to shit lol.

Results for since last post 10 days ago:


So I've just been trying a bunch stuff, really nothing is sticking but again I'm falling into the easy path of just trying a bunch of crap instead of following a strategy.

After reading @offshore's native FA and Emmanual F. posts it got me really inspired to renew my efforts again with vigor.

I decided to join a new set of affiliate networks which have more offers which are more specialized in various verities.

Honestly testing 10 or so offers per week isn't going to cut it when people are working a lot harder. I need to be testing a lot more and to do that I need access to a lot more offers that have been proven.

So I took some leave off work and cancelled my plans for the next couple days to just live and breathe AM 18-20 hours per day. Before I wanted to succeed but now I am desperate to succeed.

I'm about to go Super Saiyan, people of STM raise your hands and LEND ME YOUR ENERGY (or tips/advice)

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Lolz.

Welcome to the club

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Yes, this is probably much underestimated but testing lots of lots of offers is key to success.

Often beginners think that 2-3 offers per week are enough but it isn´t

I can understand your motivation but keeping a healthy sleep rhythm is more important than spending all energy only for work.

So work as much as you can but don´t let your health suffer from it.

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You are quite correct, better to sleep and have 1 good ideas than not sleep and have 10 bad ideas.

I was quite lucky, yesterday I got the chance to have a brief chat with an affiliate a few steps ahead of me. I showed him my setup and how I was approaching things.

He said I was spending a lot of time on stuff that didn't matter so much and not nearly enough on stuff that does matter, which was quite embarrassing since he said it quite directly without much coddling lol.

He basically said at my current budget level I was being far to cautious about vetting offers since they were lower payout, I was spending far too much time on landers in the beginning of each campaign since I usually spend 5-6 hours polishing up 5-6 landers for each campaign and my budgets were set so low it'd take me forever to get any data.

It was quite painful because his every word was correct but I'm quite grateful since it showed me WHY despite working so hard, I didn't get many offers tested.

I was simply spending too much time on stuff that doesn't matter (squeezing every dollar, vetting offers like the CIA, spending hours on landers) and too little on what does (testing offers and scaling)

Or in his exact words "too busy in trying to be smart you're actually being dumb"


Past 2 or so days:

• Testing a bunch of offers, a lot of duds but 1 potential gem that can be revealed with a bit of optimization

Plan for today, quite simple is just to spend LESS time on stuff that doesn't matter and MORE time of stuff that does.

Also the recent post by twinaxe about getting a couple small winners under your belt before moving up is quite sound advice, so I'll be trying to grab some quick wins before jumping higher



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Yes, it´s important to focus more on tasks that have higher impact on the campaigns and less on tasks that don´t have that impact.

For example it´s much better to test a new offer instead of testing a new headline color.

Another rather common beginners mistake is to try to check each and every offer page you run.

On one hand it´s often not even possible that easy because of geo redirects or other offer restrictions and on the other hand it costs so much time that it´s not worth it, especially when you run offers in the lower payout range.

It´s also a psychological thing.

When you try to run too big from the beginning you have to learn how to deal with probably many disappoinments, this can lead to frustration pretty fast.

Smaller but steady successes can help alot to keep the motivation high.

Working with fun and enjoying what you do also makes it alot easier to keep grinding.

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• Spent most of the day sitting in front a a screen just running 1 new vertical on multiple geos - testing a bunch of creative/lander/offer combinations. Got my head around the vertical now.
• Getting some breakthroughs and 1 camp I think/hoping can be a xx/xxx day bagger
• Tested about 30 or so offers today, so yay - really took onboard a lot of the tips and spent less time on the useless activities - surprisingly they weren't missed with no noticeable changes.

Now excuse me while I pass out

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Sounds good

That´s great, in the end you have to test many offers anyway so when you test them faster you also will get faster results.

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Yeah, it's pretty funny how fast you can go if you you just focus on testing offers and then scaling then winners. It's so simple but it really works.

• Getting closer to green, cut 28 camps today - 2 that seem like could be winners today. Currently sitting at -4% and -11% direct-linked on RON.
• Planning on building camps and testing 15 or so casino offers tomorrow - an interesting new vertical I haven't tried yet but was suggested to me, higher payouts too which is pretty sweet

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So you're running these campaigns direct, without using LPs? Any particular reason for that?

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I built out 30 camps, the first 2-3 I tried with landers and the next 2-3 I tried without, cr% dropped from about from like 2% to like 1.5% on average. This is a terrible way to check anything since the statistics aren't fair or even proper, maybe I'm fooling myself?

I judged that I could "mentally correct" the cr% to be a bit higher for now to save myself time and reduce friction to get as many campaigns out the door as possible, cut the losers and get landers for the ones with promise.

Does that seems like a reasonable way to do things? I do know it sped me up from building 4-5 camps to 30 camps in 1 day since I really pushed myself.

• I'm at that stage now, -20%-30% on RON, direct-linked. Cut out all offers which don't convert and now I've setup landers for the offers and campaigns with some promise, hoping to get that -20% ROI to jump up to at least breakeven so I can then get rid of bad placements and sections for a healthier ROI. Then plan is to scale.
• Got some casino offers from a new network I joined, spied out the geos I want to run, I think I will try building a few camps with landers and a few without to see the differenc.

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• The 2 origin camps have been going OK, the ROI is really shit because I tried a lot of different landers and some didn't convert that well. But there is generally a +20% ROI improvement between the best lander and direct linked - interesting that a lot of landers actually under performed direct linked.
• Should give me a the boost to start breaking even on 1 camp (with monetiser it's technically positive even if it's breaking even), then the game of weeding some placements begins
• The 2nd camp is kind of doing OK the cr% dropped a bit today, who knows why, maybe it's saturated? It's running on a small GEO but I don't know/think that's possible so quickly. Either way with the best lander it's at -20% ROI which is pretty decent for RON.
• See the little green camp at the bottom? That's the first casino offer I started 30 mins ago, it seems promising but there's a couple fluke conversions so we'll see how it goes.

Just want to make some general observations:

1. As I'm launching more camps my brain is becoming so much more "faster", it's weird but I literally can take 5 pieces of random info I learnt over the last month, then like lightening I can connect all of them into an insight, get landers, offers and roll out the campaign w/ creatives from scratch into a campaign in under an hour. Think my brain is finally getting the hang of thinking like an affiliate marketer.
2. I've started to enjoy the process. Looking for patterns, seeing how different people react to different creatives and angles. It's very interesting how 2 countries which are close and speak the same language can have wildly different preferences.

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• Today was a record day, in terms of revenue AND loss
• A couple of interesting things happened:
• First: It seems the 2 previous camps totally tanked despite me running with the narrowed down winning offer and lander:

• ROI was steadily improving, the dips were largely caused due to testing addition offers and landers
• But it seems today once i finally got the winner offer + lander nailed down today the ROI completely tanked
• Spent a lot of time and money to optimize these

I want to use this as a learning moment, what should I do with these 2 camps?

1)Run them again tomorrow incase today was fluke?
2)Try running on a different source?
3)Or just cut my losses and abandon the campaign?

The lesson I have learnt is that on push if something is not immediately giving very good signs then it's not worth perusing - would I be correct in this assessment?

Anyway looking at the other campaigns:

• Remember that $2 profit I made yesterday on the new casino camp? I decided that it looks pretty good to me, time to scale. Duplicated a bunch of times and set a high daily budget, the ROI went from +100% to like -50%, lol!
• Another lesson has been learnt - get some statistical significance before scaling to multiple traffic quality levels immediately
• But I'm not too sad, I got a LOT of data at once - of course I over-paid but look at this:

• Very very exciting, no?
• I cut that crappy -75% offer and drilled down into the -25% offer and I saw most of the losses came from the clicks I got from really old push sub age, the HQ ones were actually profitable, and quite a nice +30% ROI with like 80 conversions - statistically signicant, YES!
• I took all the data I got from the 1st camp and cut some bad placements, made some creative tweaks and have relaunched again only on HQ traffic with a big budget, you only live once right?

This is actually a life-hack, just set a massive budget to run overnight so when you wake up you immediately GET UP, no discipline required since you want to check the results to see how much money you lost (or made). If you made money, you get a big boost of motivation, if you lost money you have tons of data to shift through which is again very motivating. Then use that momentum to keep working.

I launched another casino campaign today too, just started it 2 or so hours ago, it's the lowest row.

Looking at the offer stats it seems promising too:

• I cut the red offer and the lower performing offer, really because they are quite different from each other and I'm intending to build out a separate funnel from them. I'm glad 2 are green immediately - GOOD sign but then again they can turn red in an instant

Plan to to run the top offer for this casino camp with a bigger budget and get some data, not expecting it to stay green (but hoping it does - fingers crosses)

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This works, but just partially. Some offers wont convert directlinked almost at all... but with the right lander, they might work just fine. But of course, we could debate if it it makes sense to focus on these, when there are some that can convert even directlinked and chances are, they will perform even better with a good LP... Personally, I test everything with LPs from day one, but if you feel it helps you to progress faster, keep doing it for now.

It's not really possible for something to get saturated within a few days, especially not on low volume. When these sudden dips happen (and there are no tech issues), usually there was a problem with some part of the funnel, it wasn't strong enough in the first place. This is also likely the reason why your campaign tanked once you narrowed down the best offer/lander... the best path worked on limited volume with specific parts of the traffic that it randomly received due to the split test with other offers, but once you exposed it to the full rotation, the funnel didnt prove itself to be strong enough.

I would give them one more day, just to make sure there wasn't some problem out of your control, if they dont come back you need to decide what to do next. As you said, you spent significant funds on these, so it hurts to just toss them. On the other hand, just like you said, if something isn't giving good signs, it's pointless to be stubborn and push it further and just hope for a magical turnaround.

From the screens you posted, I'd say it might be a better idea to focus on the casino offers, looks like you've found some good ones

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Yes your explanation makes sense to me especially as some offers are just order pages such as the neutra trials.
Right now I'm kind of using the push creative as a means of framing for the user and I'm finding that it does effect conversion rate quite a bit.
I think my current strategy is OK for learning how to test lots of offers quickly but I agree with you eventually I will start using Landers from the beginning once again.

I think you're correct I was probably fooled by the randomness and fluke conversions and my funnel was likely not that strong in the first place, It could also be due to the instability of push notifications as a traffic source and I think that if I keep running a campaign it should have a good buffer to make up for that instability and marginal campaigns aren't worth running on push.

Yeah I'll give them one more day just to see how they perform but I'm beginning to realize the value of my time in that time spent trying to get a mediocre offer to perform is perhaps less worth than testing more offers.

Thank you for the really advice Matej, it's not lost on me how valuable the insights you are dropping are.

• I'm getting used to spending more than the 5 to $10 per day for testing and it's pretty great getting data much faster than before. I have basically become unemotional to loss after the conversation with the more experienced affiliate.
• There are two main campaigns today both of which are the casino offers and one is already breaking even.
• What I really like about casino is that it seems like it has a very large addressable audience and that it is Evergreen.
• The campaign which was slightly positive on high traffic yesterday is the -24% ROI campaign today, it mostly seems like the Lander which I used was not much better than direct linked so I will be testing more Landers. Either way I think I can turn it green and maybe even run it to $100 or $200 per day revenue within a week or so
• The campaign which I started yesterday with the $2 profit is the bottom row. It is already green despite running on absolutely garbage placements I just wanted to test the Geo and ran it without any restrictions. desktop was a massive fail and sucked up about 40% my budget while producing about 10% of the revenue so I cut it. Also, there was some more things I could cut like ISP's but for now I think cutting desktop should allow me to get a higher ROI. this offer is currently capped for new affiliates so I will continue to run it on a smaller scale until I get a higher cap . This one again has massive potential but there is more concern for maintaining lead quality.

It seems like the best method of going about things is just too keep testing a lot of offers in different verticals until I get something which is promising and then just focus on getting that to get a green and stop testing other offers.

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Same here.

I guess it also makes a huge difference where people have their priorities.

When you want to do AM just to make shitloads of money you will probably sacrifice lots of time for it that you could spend with friends or family.

I personally rather see AM as a good opportunity to make my living with maximum freedom.

I know how much I need to make to have a good life and that´s all I want.

For me lifetime is much more important than making maximum moolah.

Money is something you can always make, sometimes more and sometimes less.

When time is gone it´s gone forever, no chance to get it back so I definitely know where my priorities are

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Amen my friend! Exactly my point of view

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Two wise men we are

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Thanks for chiming in @twinaxe and @matuloo, you guys are indeed very wise men.

Now I had another question

I've found an offer I quite like:
- The margins are good as I'm getting between 50% and 80% ROI
- The advertiser likes my quality and wants me to run at a bigger volume I'm doing around $300 per day on avg with relative ease on 1 traffic source
- Currently we are negotiating a paybump, which will likely be anywhere from a 15% to 40%

I think the highest I could scale it to would be somewhere around 2-5K per day, should I try just hitting it asap or should I slowly spread it from one traffic source to another?

I wanted to ask for any general or specific advise both conventional and unconventional about potential issues that may arise when I am trying to scale so that I can tackle them before they arise.

Much appreciated

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Both approaches have their pros and cons

The truth is, every offer will likely die at some point, so waiting to long and slow the scaling process down to much, might result in a loss of offer that could have made you more $$$, if you scaled faster.

On the other hand, you were given the green light to scale, based on the performance of the traffic you've sent SO FAR. There are no guarantees that the "new" traffic will work for the advertiser just as good. On top of that, leads need time to mature and there is only "so much" that an advertiser will be willing to risk.

So, if you flood the offer with 10x the traffic all of a sudden, the overall lead quality might go down and you could lose that offer anyways.

My recommendation would be to increase the traffic continuously, but not like $10 buck more a day Basically, you want to scale as fast as possible, but not to fast Since you're sending around $300 worth of revenue daily, increase it to $400 give it a day or 2, then to $500, give 2-3 days, than increase further. I would aim to double to volume in 7-10 days, or something like that. Maybe ask the advertiser how long they need on average to see how the leads perform and use that as a hint.

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Personally, I would max out that TS before adding another as well. You know it converts, both for you and for the offer owner. No need to mix in a new variable at this point. Once you start to hit the limits on this traffic source, then start looking to scale horizontally. You'll have money to cover the testing, and you'll have validated yourself as a profitable affiliate for the offer owner.

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And on top of what iwanttofly posted above, make sure you label each new source with some token, so the advertiser has ability to track the performance of each of them and they can tell you early in case quality isnt in par with what they are looking for. This way they can tell you where to run and what to stay away from and you won't lose the offer completely.

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Scale hard and fast.

Offers come and offers go and when you have a winner you should milk it as long as possible.

First scale on the original source, that´s the easiest way and also helps to collect more data and to understand the funnel better.

When you maxed out on the original source use the knowledge about the funnel and scale to other sources.

Then you should already know enough about how the funnel can perform so you can test much faster and more effective.

Yes, I also send info about the trafficsources to the networks and sometimes also about my tracker campaigns so that optimization can be more detailed.

Then the adertiser can say "Stop source ABC" instead of telling you to stop the whole campaign.

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Don't you run into quality problems when you do this? I mean, this can definitely be different from one niche/vertical to the next... but whenever I tried to do this in dating, which is my main vertical, I ran into quality problems. Maybe not always, but in 70-80% cases it did happen. I'm not saying I lost the offer, but the advertiser started to ask to pause this and that source For me personally, scalling gradually works better in terms of the lead quality. But yes, sometimes I lose the offer anyways and I probably leave money on the table by not scaling faster

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Literally 2k$ daily revenue on Push? ain't the volume too low on Push ? (given one GEO) How ya'll do this

Ps. Great follow along, wish you great luck bro!! Let's get it together, let's not waste any second of this AM time we allocate, let's work around the clock, let's work smart.

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Sure you can run into quality issues that way but you can also run into quality issues when you scale slower

In my opinion there is nothing worse than a missed chance when you didn´t milk an offer enough before it stops converting.

So I would always try to run as much as allowed; when there is a cap I try to fill the cap each day, when it´s uncapped I run as much as possible.

But when I run an offer on high volume I also work more closely with the advertiser and send more data for better optimization.

Usually I always send click ID and trafficsource ID anyway but on higher volume I also send campaign ID and if needed I even send the placements.

That´s basically all I can do and even when I scale slow there is no guarantee that the traffic quality stays constant.

When the advertiser isn´t cool with it he should rather increase the cap step by step instead of lifting a cap and then hoping that the affiliate slows down

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Is it recommended to do this? because I have heard that Affiliate Networks could take the placement and zones that we send and create campaigns themselves and take us out of the offer.

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Totally agree with this and I made that mistake quite a few times already

Sometimes it just works better for me when I do not go full throttle straight away and wanted to hear what you experience was with this.

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Some risk is there, but it's one that you have to take in some cases. On top of that, you can use "anonymous" IDs that won't directly reveal the info you want to hide.

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Sure there is a risk but I also don´t send all info from the very beginning.

I always send a trafficsource ID and when I run higher volume to an offer or when there´s a bit more optimization needed I also send campaign IDs.

These things are not bad to send anyway because it´s just the IDs from my tracker, it doesn´t tell anything about the real sources and campaign names.

When I run really high volume to an offer it´s also in my very own interest to work as close as possible with the networks or advertisers together, then I also send the real placement IDs if needed.

And sure it can happen that someone steals your campaign but when I am afraid that such tactics happen on network XYZ I would overthink working with the network in general.

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Thanks, I'm following this advice, it also allows me to properly asses the strengths and weaknesses of new traffic networks to make the most out of them.

Haha yeah man, it's not as easy as other traffic sources but it's possible for sure.

Thanks I've started doing this but not as aggressively as possible but still pretty quick.

How do I do this with Binom? or can I use another track to achieve this?


Update:

Hey so it's been 2 weeks since my last post, and I have to say thanks to everyone in this thread who responded I've learnt so much and applied a lot of it.

Right now I'm scaling aggressively on 1 traffic source at a time, trying to max and learn it then jumping onto the next. I'm working closely with my AM (well now I've been assigned 2 AMs which is pretty nice) and we're constantly getting feedback from advertiser on which placements are work and which are to be cut and they are overall happy with quality.

It seems like this has some long term potential, which is always good but we will see.

I'm currently doing like 1K per day rev, I increase it by like $100 every 2-3 days steadily as a explore new traffic sources but ROI has gone down from like 70% to 25-30% but it seems to be relatively stable now as I scale. Well as stable as push can be.

Cash flow is once again an issue but I'm happy putting some more of my savings in my AM business to cover the gaps.

I'm more confident I can scale to 4/5K per day, I know I mentioned 2-5K in the above post and felt like I was bullshitting but turns out my estimate was closer than I think.

Ofc scaling to that level will take at least a few weeks, due to cashflow and conquering learning curves of multiple new traffic sources.

On top of that it seems advertiser is looking at ways to get some more GEOs for me and I'm the primary affiliate on my AN for this offer, so I guess we could try scale even higher with mroe GEOS. I'm thinking about asking for the offer to be made private and exclusive to me since I don't want to mess around with competition.

I also got some native spying tools and get some James elswick course since I think native will allow me to run more than just push but we will see, still have enough room on push.

I'm also testing some more offers, I will never stop testing since I now know there is a lot more potential in AM than I ever thought would be possible. Seriously this offer is good but not even great, the great ones must be like $100K a day

Sorry bit of a ramble but scaling is tiring and I'm still working fulltime job so I've kind of forgeten how to do any thing other than scale, work and brethe.

Also been reading some good books like Ready Fire Aim, haven't read in 6 months but reading from legit dudes is always great.

Also my life-style inflation has pumped a ton more than in Dec - pretty much outsource food and cleaning since no time man no time.

and I still like I'm not giving it my all, could go 10X harder if I keep optimizing

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You can send trafficsource and campaign IDs in Binom.

For campaign ID use token {campaign}



For trafficsource ID use token {trafficsource}



If you really want it you can easily spend thousands of dollars per day on push

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@fastaj what user-freshnesses are you working with? Been successful using anything more than 3 days freshness?

any hints what verticals you've been running? how many GEOs currently?

To your experience, the importance of the right creative on Push

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What most of your time is being spent currently on in AM? optimizing placements, creatives?

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I'm not fastaj, but lemme chime in anyways

Based on my experience, the more fresh the users are, the better the overall results. But I had campaigns that worked well with any freshness/user-age settings. Usually, the freshest users also cost the most per click, so it kinda balances the costs VS end results. To put it simple, you can make profits with any user-freshness, but you need better than average campaigns to make the more aged subs work. 3-days should be fresh enough though.

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I always thought the fresher the better but it's possible to get a better ROI due to lower bids (or much much higher scale) from less fresh users so now I test everything. Still I use fresh users when testing a new offer since generally its more proven to convert so 1 less variable.

In total, I'm running in like 5 or 6 geos across all my campagins.

Most of my time is being spent learning new traffic sources, trying to "tickle" their algo as James Van Elswick would say for max results. Creatives are pretty simple I pretty much follow twinaxe guide, placements again pretty simple I just block ones with more than 2x payout in spend with negative ROI.

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Does the offer allow more geos?

If yes you should run it on as many geos as possible, running multi geo is a great opportunity to scale

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Hey all,

Update time!

Had pretty good success Jan-Mar, but April hasn't been going so well.

Kind of burnt out in all honesty, stuck inside for over a year now.

Planning to take some rest, and maybe give native a crack, just because doing the same thing over and over (even if profitable) is kinda boring - ah such 1st world problems right?

Anyway hope every has done well since my last update

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Yo AJ, welcome back.

Let´s work on your next big campaign

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Sounds like a good plan, decided to jump into native after taking some time off and talking with a few peeps.

Will conclude this FA officially, hopefully everyone who has read it (4k views, damn that is a lot of views) got some value out of it.

It is definitely possible to make decent money, very quickly and consistently with push but the ceiling is lower than native/fb/google obviously.

I'll still be running some push camps passively but focus will now be on native, might start a new FA since once again I'm hitting 'reset' and have to learn a brand new traffic source again.

Exciting times

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Watch this kid crush me within a few weeks, just like last time

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