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09-03-2020 07:08 AM #1 dseopro1000 (Member)
Fast & Reliable Woocommerce hosting?

Hey, I've had issues with Bluehost, Hostgator, Siteground(slow speed and downtime issues, etc) for different reasons Recently migrated to WPX because of the recommendations from reputable people, companies like ThriveThemes and Matthew Woodward but WPX has been a nightmare so far - my sites started having downtime, FB pixels not firing, not working properly with unusual errors after they migrated the sites and they just keep refusing to take responsibilities, communications have been sub par.

Now I'm looking for a new hosting again... currently my traffic is pretty small up to 3000 visitors/day max but looking to scale soon. any recommendations on hosting within reasonable price with scalibility?

Many Thanks!


09-03-2020 09:51 AM #2 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Bluehost and hostgator are horrible, they can serve as the starting point for bloggers who don't want to spend $ straight away, but like any shared hosting provider, these are not suitable for any higher traffic website.

The only reason for these 2 being so popular is the generous referral program. If you look at the income report of any bloggger who shares it, bluehost is always one of the top money makers for them

I have some WP sites running on digitalocean and didnt really notice any problems, my personal blog is hosted there too. I'm not aware of any downtime ever since I've moved it there. They are quite cheap too.


09-03-2020 12:08 PM #3 jeremie (Moderator)

May be moving away from WordPress could be an option if do not want to spend too much on hosting. Cheap hosting shall perform better when there is only static pages to load.

An option if your WordPress content is not changing that much is to convert your WP into a static pages to decrease loading time.
https://wp2static.com/

Or if you want to keep your WP and have performance, I would go with WPEngine.
https://wpengine.com


09-03-2020 07:32 PM #4 dseopro1000 (Member)

Thanks for sharing your insights. I tried migrating sites to Hetzner from Siteground and had a developer install CPanel but the loading speed wasn't any better on its cloud server. I'm not very technical wondering if hosting WP on digital ocean would be a good idea?
For non techies like me, 24/7 live support seems necessary..


09-03-2020 09:27 PM #5 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by dseopro1000 View Post
Thanks for sharing your insights. I tried migrating sites to Hetzner from Siteground and had a developer install CPanel but the loading speed wasn't any better on its cloud server. I'm not very technical wondering if hosting WP on digital ocean would be a good idea?
For non techies like me, 24/7 live support seems necessary..
How are you measuring the loading speeds actually?

And, do you have WP caching enabled or did you try to use any plugins or optimizations to increase the loading speed?


09-04-2020 06:31 AM #6 dseopro1000 (Member)

I've been using http://gtmetrix.com/ mostly and WPX just told me it's not accurate and recommended using pingdom.
I used WP Rocket on SG and WPX just installed W3 and a few other plugins.
It seems people recommend against using servers like digital ocean for non-technical people because when errors occur, immediate support is needed but those cloud or dedicated server companies don't manage or provide live support for wordpress. Correct?...

Thanks!


09-04-2020 09:42 AM #7 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

It seems people recommend against using servers like digital ocean for non-technical people because when errors occur, immediate support is needed but those cloud or dedicated server companies don't manage or provide live support for wordpress. Correct?...
Yup, this could be an issue for sure, these companies do not offer any super level of support as far as I know.

How slow does your eshop load actually, care to share a link?


09-07-2020 09:55 PM #8 dseopro1000 (Member)

This is one of the landing pages built with Thrive Architect http://socialuplifted.com/instagram-growth instead of using a Woocommerce product page because WC seems to load many scripts.
WPX said they optimized the page but the loading time is still 7-10sec according to GTMetrix while I saw some landing/product pages that are much larger in size load much faster: https://indestructibletrimmer.com/pr...ctible-trimmer (probably Shopify)

Wondering how it's possible and what further actions I need to take?

I've hired and consulted with many developers on Fiverr and Upwork and most of them said it's as good as it can be. Any suggestions?
When I run FB ads, there's significant drop off after clicks(e.x 145) before content views(e.x. 104) and am concerned it may be because of the speed.

Since I use WC for all stores relying on many plugins for ecom features like upsell, etc, it seems not feasible to use static pages.

Many Thanks


09-07-2020 10:55 PM #9 jeremie (Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by dseopro1000 View Post
Any suggestions?

Two options:

1) Keep your WP and:
- Remove the Tidio chat. If you want people to subscribe, that is the only CTA you should have. The plugin takes 800ms to load, appears above your exit intent popup and is even loading a MP3...
- Remove all your 7-10 Google Fonts except 1. With 1 font for titles + a standard font for text you should be ok
- Remove the plugin that calls WP-AJAX https://docs.wp-rocket.me/article/98...admin-ajax-php
- Remove WP Emoji https://smartwp.com/disable-emojis-wordpress/
- Remove all the polyfill scripts at the end that write more script markups... seriously...
- Remove jQUery and write static Javascript
- You are calling twice GTM. One is enough. Could be a plugin you are using
https://www.googletagmanager.com/gta...d=AW-606160877
https://www.googletagmanager.com/gta...UA-113511876-1
- Remove the FB / Pinterest pixels and have them load from the Google Tag Manager (or not at all)
- Remove HotJar. You do not need heatmap for now.

2)
- Remove WordPress and make a static website. You can buy a static template here
https://themeforest.net/popular_item...site-templates



Quote Originally Posted by dseopro1000 View Post
WPX said they optimized the page but the loading time is still 7-10sec according to GTMetrix while I saw some landing/product pages that are much larger in size load much faster: https://indestructibletrimmer.com/pr...ctible-trimmer (probably Shopify)
Because the other page does not contain a ton of unuseful scripts that slow down the rendering. 9 Mb of the 11 are videos gif which are loaded at the end while the page is already usable for the user. Yes, it is Shopify.


09-07-2020 11:01 PM #10 jeremie (Moderator)

By the way, WPX has done its job. The first request is replied in 130ms, which is very fast. The problem is too much scripts and fonts later.


09-08-2020 07:14 AM #11 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Thanks jeremie!


09-08-2020 09:27 AM #12 hagolo (Member)

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09-08-2020 11:26 PM #13 dseopro1000 (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by jeremie View Post
Two options:

1) Keep your WP and:

- Remove the FB / Pinterest pixels and have them load from the Google Tag Manager (or not at all)
- Remove HotJar. You do not need heatmap for now.
Hi Jeremie,

Thanks so much for taking the time to give me such an amazing advice that even many developers couldn't/didn't give.

Just a quick follow-up questions:
1. While I'm trying to figure out how to have FB pixel load from a Google tag manager, just wondering how/if it'd make sense to give up on pixels/data collection for the sake of loading speed?

2. Hotjar screen recording seems pretty useful especially after launching a new LP, campaign to monitor visitors and check if technical things are working as expected.
Any suggestions on good alternatives for this feature without sacrificing the loading speed?

Again, thank you very much!


09-09-2020 02:37 AM #14 jeremie (Moderator)

Below my replies. But start with the Google Fonts, the chat, the polyfills and it should be better already.

Quote Originally Posted by dseopro1000 View Post
1. While I'm trying to figure out how to have FB pixel load from a Google tag manager, just wondering how/if it'd make sense to give up on pixels/data collection for the sake of loading speed?
Why do you need so much pixels at the begining? That is the question... And the reason shall not be "just in case..."
If you focus on one or two traffic sources, you do not need to have that many pixels. Better to have only Google Analytics (GA), and be able to analyze the data properly, Sometimes, there is an API that allows to trigger the conversion directly from your code, without having to load all pixels one after another. And if you do want to load all of them, you can do that through GTM.

Quote Originally Posted by dseopro1000 View Post
2. Hotjar screen recording seems pretty useful especially after launching a new LP, campaign to monitor visitors and check if technical things are working as expected.
Any suggestions on good alternatives for this feature without sacrificing the loading speed? [/QUOTE]

"seems" = you are already not sure. You can monitor visitors with Google Analytics. GA already has an heat map plugin. Focus on mastering one, and remove the other one.
https://vwo.com/blog/google-analytics-heatmap/

"check if technical things are working as expected"
If the setup has been properly done, it should work. If there is a problem, you will see it in GA. My approach is start from scratch, not accumulate plugins (but I understand your view as I have been through this phase of "this looks fancy, why not")

Quote Originally Posted by dseopro1000 View Post
Any suggestions on good alternatives for this feature without sacrificing the loading speed?
I do my tools in-house, or when I choose one tool, I read everything about it. For example, I printed the Voluum doc. It's 960 pages in total. Took me a full day to go through it, but that was totally worth it.


09-09-2020 10:30 PM #15 dseopro1000 (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by jeremie View Post

"check if technical things are working as expected"
If the setup has been properly done, it should work. If there is a problem, you will see it in GA.
1. Just curious based on your testing, it's not worth it monitor visitors' behavior by watching the screen recordings?
I've seen even a few popular ecom sites use hotjar. e.x. https://builtwith.com/inspireuplift.com

2. I tried converting a WP page to a static one using a plugin called Simply Static and the load time of the static page (e.x https://www.staging.drverywell.com/static) wasn't any faster.
And I saw the WP plugin folders in the static page folder created by the plugin. So I'm wondering if the converted page is truly static and what further I can do to improve the speed of the static page?

3. would it be a good idea to use the html template like this one http://preview.themeforest.net/item/...review/9228123 for the landing page and still use Woocommerce/Wordpress for the checkout page?


Thanks so much for your help. It's great to get info and insights I couldn't even get from developers on upwork or fiverr. :-)


09-10-2020 01:14 AM #16 jeremie (Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by dseopro1000 View Post
1. Just curious based on your testing, it's not worth it monitor visitors' behavior by watching the screen recordings?
I've seen even a few popular ecom sites use hotjar. e.x. https://builtwith.com/inspireuplift.com

2. I tried converting a WP page to a static one using a plugin called Simply Static and the load time of the static page (e.x https://www.staging.drverywell.com/static) wasn't any faster.
And I saw the WP plugin folders in the static page folder created by the plugin. So I'm wondering if the converted page is truly static and what further I can do to improve the speed of the static page?

3. would it be a good idea to use the html template like this one http://preview.themeforest.net/item/...review/9228123 for the landing page and still use Woocommerce/Wordpress for the checkout page?


Thanks so much for your help. It's great to get info and insights I couldn't even get from developers on upwork or fiverr. :-)
1. It is worth it, but you can do that in Google Analytics, so you do not need Hotjar.

2. Converting to static replace the WordPress page by a static HTML page. But it does not impact all the other scripts that are loaded later from the HTML page. In your case WPX is already optimizing the creation of that first page. The problem lays in all the other scripts. That's why you do not see that much of a difference.

3. Yes, Canvas is a good static theme. You could use it for the landing pages, and have the WP in a subdomain/folder for the checkout.


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