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So it's official, Tik Tok is suing the US government :) (24)


08-25-2020 11:29 AM #1 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)
So it's official, Tik Tok is suing the US government :)

The drama continues



Looks like they don't want to give up that easily and decided to fight back.

TikTok just released an official statement in their website, with an explanation on why they decided to sue.

Most of it is just PR bullshit obviously, but I'm really looking towards the outcome of this :

Today we are filing a complaint in federal court challenging the Administration's efforts to ban TikTok in the US. As a company we have always focused on transparency, so we want to explain why we are taking this step.

Over the past few years, people of all backgrounds have embraced the TikTok community. Today, 100 million Americans turn to TikTok for entertainment, inspiration, and connection; countless creators rely on our platform to express their creativity, reach broad audiences, and generate income; our more than 1,500 employees across the US pour their hearts into building this platform every day, with 10,000 more jobs planned in California, Texas, New York, Tennessee, Florida, Michigan, Illinois, and Washington State; and many of the country's leading brands are on TikTok to connect with consumers more authentically and directly than they can elsewhere.

Put simply, we have a thriving community and we are grateful – and responsible – to them.

The Executive Order issued by the Administration on August 6, 2020 has the potential to strip the rights of that community without any evidence to justify such an extreme action, and without any due process. We strongly disagree with the Administration's position that TikTok is a national security threat and we have articulated these objections previously.

Now is the time for us to act. We do not take suing the government lightly, however we feel we have no choice but to take action to protect our rights, and the rights of our community and employees.
The full statement is here: https://newsroom.tiktok.com/en-us/tiktok-files-lawsuit


08-25-2020 12:03 PM #2 twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

Drama baby, drama

I read about it today as well.

It´s like a real life soap opera.


08-25-2020 02:49 PM #3 jaybot (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
The drama continues



Looks like they don't want to give up that easily and decided to fight back.

TikTok just released an official statement in their website, with an explanation on why they decided to sue.

Most of it is just PR bullshit obviously, but I'm really looking towards the outcome of this :



The full statement is here: https://newsroom.tiktok.com/en-us/tiktok-files-lawsuit
LolllllZ.

My wife told me about it and I laughed my ass off. It’s even funnier in print.

Suing a foreign government always works out well.

Imagine if FB, Google, Twitter, etc. sued China for banning them.


08-25-2020 05:29 PM #4 wisdompower (Veteran Member)

Technically speaking, has a corporate ever won after suing a powerful government? Ironically, despite all the corruption, a powerful corporate sometimes wins against the government, even if the decision has come from the council of ministers. With government decisions that have been enforced by a department or a government official, whoever has more money wins.
Don't know about the US. Sometimes it feels more dictatorial there than a dictator regime.


08-25-2020 08:08 PM #5 iwanttofly (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by wisdompower View Post
Technically speaking, has a corporate ever won after suing a powerful government? Ironically, despite all the corruption, a powerful corporate sometimes wins against the government, even if the decision has come from the council of ministers. With government decisions that have been enforced by a department or a government official, whoever has more money wins.
Don't know about the US. Sometimes it feels more dictatorial there than a dictator regime.
I see a stay in TikTok's future. The Executive Order is so overly broad, it appears that it would be illegal for TikTok to even hire counsel once it goes into effect. Typically the courts do not like to see participants frozen out from the system.

Also, Trump has a bad habit of overplaying his hand with the courts and ruining what would otherwise be legal moves (you may dislike what he is doing, but it would have been legal) by make clearly the reason is illegal.


08-25-2020 09:35 PM #6 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by jaybot View Post
Imagine if FB, Google, Twitter, etc. sued China for banning them.
I for one, would love to see that happening


08-26-2020 01:54 PM #7 twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by jaybot
Imagine if FB, Google, Twitter, etc. sued China for banning them.
Exactly, but it´s always easier to see the abuses on the other side.


08-26-2020 05:15 PM #8 wisdompower (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by iwanttofly View Post
I see a stay in TikTok's future. The Executive Order is so overly broad, it appears that it would be illegal for TikTok to even hire counsel once it goes into effect. Typically the courts do not like to see participants frozen out from the system.

Also, Trump has a bad habit of overplaying his hand with the courts and ruining what would otherwise be legal moves (you may dislike what he is doing, but it would have been legal) by make clearly the reason is illegal.
Right. I checked my last post and missed India... I mean I was talking about the corruption and the council of ministers in India. Tiktok is banned for the second time here because it threatened national security. It was banned earlier but made a comeback.


08-28-2020 02:53 PM #9 iwanttofly (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by wisdompower View Post
Right. I checked my last post and missed India... I mean I was talking about the corruption and the council of ministers in India. Tiktok is banned for the second time here because it threatened national security. It was banned earlier but made a comeback.
Ah, I have basically no knowledge of Indian politics, so I'll reserve all comment. I was speaking strictly about the US. I believe that TikTok will get a stay due to the flaws in Trump's Executive Order, plus the fact he almost always makes known his true intentions which he then tries to coach in otherwise legal language in an Executive Order.

If he could stay off Twitter for 5 minutes and not run his mouth, he'd probably get most of what he wanted in Executive Orders.


08-28-2020 05:30 PM #10 wisdompower (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by iwanttofly View Post
Ah, I have basically no knowledge of Indian politics, so I'll reserve all comment. I was speaking strictly about the US. I believe that TikTok will get a stay due to the flaws in Trump's Executive Order, plus the fact he almost always makes known his true intentions which he then tries to coach in otherwise legal language in an Executive Order.

If he could stay off Twitter for 5 minutes and not run his mouth, he'd probably get most of what he wanted in Executive Orders.
Haha, okay. Twitter is all about venting though. So, may not be as useful to us marketers for sales. Twitter is more a customer service thing, which is important nonetheless.


08-28-2020 05:53 PM #11 iwanttofly (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by wisdompower View Post
Haha, okay. Twitter is all about venting though. So, may not be as useful to us marketers for sales. Twitter is more a customer service thing, which is important nonetheless.
What I mean is, if Trump could stay off it, he'd actually get more of what he wants accomplished. US Courts give a lot of latitude to both Congress and the Executive Branch, except when they have made it clear the reason is illegal.

So if Trump has said that TikTok is a threat to National Security, they will tend to side with Trump and let him do it.

But if Trump constantly complains about how Social Media is unfair to him, he's being censored, mistreated, etc. and then tries to ban TikTok on National Security grounds, the courts tend to see right through that.


08-29-2020 04:47 PM #12 wisdompower (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by iwanttofly View Post
What I mean is, if Trump could stay off it, he'd actually get more of what he wants accomplished. US Courts give a lot of latitude to both Congress and the Executive Branch, except when they have made it clear the reason is illegal.

So if Trump has said that TikTok is a threat to National Security, they will tend to side with Trump and let him do it.

But if Trump constantly complains about how Social Media is unfair to him, he's being censored, mistreated, etc. and then tries to ban TikTok on National Security grounds, the courts tend to see right through that.
Ah, gotcha! Politics is a dirty game EVERYWHERE. And so are the politicians.


08-31-2020 10:47 AM #13 twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

Politics is a dirty game EVERYWHERE
That´s so true


08-31-2020 11:51 AM #14 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

And more news

Looks like more and more companies are entering the race to buy TikTok

First there was Microsoft, then Oracle and now Wallmart... yes WALLMART joins Microsoft to form a partnership and try to buy the TikTok platform

Full article here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeik...e-for-walmart/


08-31-2020 04:54 PM #15 wisdompower (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
And more news

Looks like more and more companies are entering the race to buy TikTok

First there was Microsoft, then Oracle and now Wallmart... yes WALLMART joins Microsoft to form a partnership and try to buy the TikTok platform

Full article here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeik...e-for-walmart/
Ah, they are all happy this happened to TikTok and the race to make more money and outsmart the competition is on. Doesn't matter what their roots are.


08-31-2020 11:35 PM #16 jaybot (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
And more news

Looks like more and more companies are entering the race to buy TikTok

First there was Microsoft, then Oracle and now Wallmart... yes WALLMART joins Microsoft to form a partnership and try to buy the TikTok platform

Full article here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeik...e-for-walmart/
My money is on Disney. They’ll buy it and integrate it with Disney+ somehow.


09-01-2020 05:18 AM #17 John Jonas (Senior Member)

My money's on Disney as well. It's their demographic. If Microsoft or Oracle buys it, the kids will leave the platform then who knows where else they'll go.


09-01-2020 10:49 AM #18 twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

If Microsoft or Oracle buys it
We have seen what happened to Skype since MS bought it.

the kids will leave the platform then who knows where else they'll go.
To the next best low value app where they can show off.

Important is only that they don´t have to write and to read, that they can make and share pictures or short video clips of themsleves, that they have many "good" filters and that all their friends use the same app


09-10-2020 04:09 PM #19 crypim (Member)

I think the world is already so global and borders are so blurred that such actions of the American government cause laughter.. we see that some kidults continue to see whose dick is longer without realizing that the world is changing rapidly.. just for me, this is another manipulation under the guise of concern for national security..


So where's the vaunted democracy and rights of US citizens?


Now Europe and Asia should ban Facebook and Twitter in response..


09-10-2020 04:50 PM #20 platinum (Veteran Member)

The ugliest thing happening right now is that a handful of companies have too much control and personal data from various owned apps and companies.

Being in such position they have all the possible leverage one could dream of to do as and when they wish. Even worse they’re deeply involved in politics.

FB and and G are already showing this off. FB’s latest terms of service update, shows this pretty clear.

These jerks have built an empire using user generated content, which btw is monetized with the same users that generated the content, then set arbitrary conditions as it mostly pleases their interest.

I wonder what would happen and how quickly will they react if just 30% of their daily active user base stops using their service for just one week.


09-10-2020 07:40 PM #21 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

These jerks have built an empire using user generated content, which btw is monetized with the same users that generated the content, then set arbitrary conditions as it mostly pleases their interest.
This makes me angry too... without UGC they'd mean shit, and they're cheap enough to not even share their revenue with the content creators... Facebook I mean.

What I personally hate the most though, is how they have the power to destroy entire industries, whenever they decide to do so... maps were a business prior to google maps, so was paid email, navigation... it's evolution partly and it's great for the end customers, but I don't like when it happens too much.


09-10-2020 10:14 PM #22 platinum (Veteran Member)

This makes me angry too... without UGC they'd mean shit, and they're cheap enough to not even share their revenue with the content creators... Facebook I mean.
Exactly! No content from users - no money!

What I personally hate the most though, is how they have the power to destroy entire industries, whenever they decide to do so... maps were a business prior to google maps, so was paid email, navigation... it's evolution partly and it's great for the end customers, but I don't like when it happens too much.
They've centralized quite a lot of things, thing which honestly is a bit scary. I remember map24.com was one of the best before getting acquired by Microsoft. Not that now is bad (the offline version for long trips beats google maps on every aspect), but when you think you're sharing your route data with them is disturbing.

Just a few days ago MS was awarded the contract worth $10B with Pentagon:
https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/4/21...ct-cloud-bezos

Now weird Billy not only has access on personal data from billions of people globally, but also has classified info too, not to mention other things they are currently involved in.

Nowadays these morons have access on everything we do. From the websites we visit, applications we use, places we hang out, food, messages, emails, even who we go to bed with (most probably).


09-11-2020 10:09 AM #23 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

even who we go to bed with (most probably).
I hope not )) That could ruin a few marriages... when that data leaks


09-12-2020 11:43 AM #24 twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by platinum
The ugliest thing happening right now is that a handful of companies have too much control and personal data from various owned apps and companies.

Being in such position they have all the possible leverage one could dream of to do as and when they wish. Even worse they’re deeply involved in politics.

FB and and G are already showing this off. FB’s latest terms of service update, shows this pretty clear.
I don´t want to start a conspiracy discussion but it´s really interesting to read about DARPA LifeLog and Facebook.


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