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So will TikTok get banned from the US or not? :) (29)

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I'm pretty sure you know about the recent TikTok VS Trump drama... the golden pheasant apparently has some major beef with the platform and would like to get it banned from the US

But now it looks like he'd actually prefer some US company to own it... Microsoft I guess, what's going on here?

What is this, new business culture mixed with politics? Sell your business to an US-based company or GTFO of our market?

Full story here: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...ry?id=72150177


This China-US trade war is becoming more and more "interesting" .. wondering who's gonna be next.

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Well, this might be the cause :-)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/s...lly-tulsa.html

On a more general perspective, I think that is the same story as usual: trying to avoid China to increase its influence by saying there are spying on the USA. Same as the consulates' story last month, same as Huawei case a few months ago. Trying to prohibit Huawei 5G to enter the market as US telecom manufacturers were a bit behind in terms of technology development.

To better understand the Chinese side, you can read Currency Wars by Hongbing Song.
Not to be confused with Jim Rickards' book, which is also great.

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Hehe, yes this could have escalated things a bit

Some news again... from now on TikTok is banned on US govt devices: https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020...ok-senate.html

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Didn't they ban it for gov some time ago already or was it only for military devices so far?

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I'm not sure, this is the first time I saw it in the news.

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matuloo you little troll, you

My shitty take:

From a US NatSec point of view, I get it. No one should be using any Chinese software on their devices. Not even Chinese want to use Chinese software.

Chinese hardware should be fine (i.e. non-tech stuff. anything with silicon wafers and anything needing firmware is again, a bad idea). As long as you don't mind it falling apart within a few months.

Politics and business have always been intertwined. But.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. If a US corp buys TikTok out and cleans the fuck out of the software, removes all the Chinese backdoors (and puts in the sneaky Microsoft CIA/FBI/NSA backdoors, of course); then we're good to go. Oh, and once Microsoft says it's okay to use, please feel free to use it all over the world!

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Yes, remember this?
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a9239146.html

Back then we were all wondering.. are they going full Linux now?

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Well, I'm sure China will strike back again... US bans something, China bans something, then US bans something new again, China follows... I'm wondering who's gonna throw the towel in the first. I guess China needs the US market more than US needs theirs so my guess is that CHN will try to ease the pressure in some way.

And maybe Trump will calm down once re-elected, could be just a show for the voters.

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Let's not forget that China banned Facebook and all of its products (including Instagram) long ago. So US banning their social platforms shouldn't come as a surprise. One might call it revenge?
But I don't think this is just a spectacle for the voters. Trump has been very serious cracking down on China and how much they've been milking US residents for the past decades.

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They just added WeChat to the list: https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/13/wechat-backlash-us/

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For me it´s very hard to take side with anyone there.

Maybe the US reaction is way exaggerated, probably it´s just for their own advantage but on the other side I guess the Chinese government also isn´t that innocent so that the security concerns could also be a bit justified.

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True. China really did benefit from the US market (and many others) and such a large part of global production was moved there, I was wondering when countries would realize how much power they lost to China and do something about it. Looks like its happening.

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China has banned almost all western social media after it has successfully launched a clone.

In all honesty this is to be expected, with the Chinese playing very unfairly for such a long time.

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Yup, when we put it like this it makes sense... they ban everything and then expect their apps to work worldwide, not fair at all.

BTW, there is more news: https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/09/ti...istration-ban/

There might be a federal lawsuit coming :

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Good point.

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It's completely banned here in India. I was particularly interested in cross-promotion traffic from Tiktok to Instagram and Youtube... then this happened. Sigh.

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It is?

I thought it´s very popular in India.

For how long is it banned there?

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Last month after claims that China is trying to spy on India amidst border tensions and death of Indian army personnel.
Yes, it's super pouplar in India... It was banned earlier but came back. Bribing Indian government officials is easy

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Thanks.

Although I never used TikTok and can´t understand at all what people like about it it´s still interesting to see how such an app can make so massive waves.

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I think visual platforms are like "free advertising" and if you already have a laser focused audience there is just no need to pay for showing the ads. Tiktok They also have the feature to directly send traffic to youtube and instagram which helps us marketers. Getting subscribers on youtube is slow and tricky. But building a fan base on Tiktok is pretty quick. Sending some of the traffic to another video platform like youtube is easy and subscribers grow quickly there. On top of that they were allowing us to add bio links after about a 1000 subscribers ( it has kept changing). Then more features were coming up when the worst happened.
Their ads are also way way cheaper than other platforms.
Anyways just my two cents.

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I can definitely understand that such platforms are very interesting to advertise there.

I rather meant that I can´t understand at all what users like about such platforms.

Probably I am too oldschool or just too old for such stuff but for me all the TikTok clips look pretty much braindead

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Haha, if you are "braindead" or "old school" as a senior forum moderator @stm what are we? Profound mental retardation?

And yes you have a point ---> "I rather meant that I can´t understand at all what users like about such platforms"

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I don't understand the popularity of these platforms either ... then again, when I was young, my parents didn't understand what I liked about the games I was playing ... like shooting someone with a shotgun (doom), they thought I'd grow into a serial killer And when my father was young, his parents couldn't understand how he could have listened to such horrible music (The Beatles)... I guess it's just the history repeating itself We're getting old @twinaxe

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Oh no, I didn´t mean my mental state with braindead.

I mean the TikTok clips with it.

Yup, we´re getting old.

The music is a perfect example where I really feel that I´m getting old and then I know how my parents felt when I was younger.

I don´t listen to radio and I don´t watch TV at home so I have more or less no idea what youngsters and teens nowadays listen to.

But when I hear some of the stuff I am pretty happy that I don´t know more of it

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Same here, especially some of the new hip-hop genres with autotune "singing" ... those always leave me speechless and I dont understand how anyone can listen to that willingly

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Yup, I also don´t get all the hype about all the stars with no personality who make music for the masses and just to get high numbers of spotify streams and stuff.

My favorite music is still breakbeats, jungle, hardcore, acid and such stuff from early till mid nineties.

It´s timeless, it never gets boring and I will probably still listen to it when I am 80 years old.

In the end it´s more or less exactly the same situation my parents had when I was younger and they still listened to Rolling Stones and all the stuff they knew from when they were young.

Generation gap and so

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@twinaxe Right! Thanks for clarifying.

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Exactly! Their traffic costs 1/4 what Facebook charges. They have pixel tracking and you can use audiences just like on FB. Regardless if they get banned in US or not it's definitely a platform to advertise on, if not in the US then worldwide...

I just got an unlimited credit line agency account with them which is a huge plus why I like them even more haha

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Thanks for agreeing and sharing.

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