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07-15-2020 01:02 PM
#1
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)
How about the ads, have you split tested a solid amount of them? Same for LPs, how many have you tried... were there some that stood out?
The right creatives can completely change the performance of a campaign. Many offers also come with several sales/registration pages... each of them can perform differently.
My optimization process that I'm using lately the most, regardless of the traffic type, is to focus on the offer part first... so I split test several variations of the same offer or several different offers in the same niche. Once I have what seems to be the best 2 offers, I move on to the traffic side... so optimizing the ads and the widgets/placements.
BTW: MGID is on the lower side when it comes to quality of traffic in native, you might want to test with revcontent or the big twin taboola/outbrain.
07-15-2020 04:49 PM
#2
onticstein (Member)
Originally Posted by
jack_l
Just to confirm - what are your rules for blocking widgets right now? 2x offer payout only? That actually might be heavier than most people. I'd say cutting at 1x payout or even .75x payout is more common with higher-priced products like that.
And then also cutting widgets with really low lp ctr's would be common. Maybe any widgets that hits 10 clicks with 0 lp clicks if the normal lp ctr is 40%. Or are you direct linking?
Anyway great job though! That's a very respectable first campaign!
PS And then as far as the offer it's hard to say - I don't know enough about MGID to know if the campaign is still doable or if the results so far are the best you'll get. If it's on an upward trajectory the last few days I might keep it, otherwise maybe cut. You can always restart it later - generally the more campaigns you do the better you'll get. I almost think I would have learned more if I had just forced myself to do 50-100 $100 min-campaigns when I started rather than trying to get big wins off the bat. Again though that's a great first result and you should be proud!
Thank you so much for the response! It's really encouraging 
Yes, 2x offer payout for widgets and everything drilled down per widget (IE Widget > Carrier (2x) > OS (2x)) so I definitely might be overspending here. The .75x payout is an interesting place to cut, because if I get 1 conversion won't I still be 25% profitable? Or is that an aggressive cutting strategy so we only keep the big winners?
I am not direct linking. I've tested quite a few different ads, landers and offers (5 each). Is cutting a lp with 10 visits and 0 click throughs statistically significant? Or should I wait?
I'm probably going to give another campaign a go on a different traffic network too Thanks for the input!
07-15-2020 07:12 PM
#3
jack_l (Veteran Member)
Well... cutting that quickly definitely isn't ideal, but the problem is that if you waited for statistical significance you could probably spend over a million dollars optimizing that campaign lol.
On MGID/some push networks/Revcontent/etc you gotta find that balance where you're letting things spend to find the good stuff, but also cutting aggressively so you don't lose too much money in testing.
It also depends on the situation...
If you've got a funnel that you know is fantastic and your planning on running it for years into the future, perhaps you do 2x offer payout in order to make sure you don't miss any good widgets.
But if you're just starting out and just trying to get as many conversions as possible with minimal spend, and just trying to get as much valuable experience as possible to 'learn' the traffic source, I would be more aggressive.
Simiarly with the site in question - if it's MSN or Breitbart or CNN then I would probably give it a lot of spend before blocking, because those are obviously great sites with tons of volume. If it's some random widget you don't know the identity of though or one with some weird name then I'd probably cut really aggressively.
But yeah, honestly I mostly use Outbrain and Taboola now with their SmartBid on, so I don't even look at the widgets. It's more like how I presume buying media on facebook is where all that matters is the quality of your ads and funnel and creativity, etc.
Although certainly there's lots of folks killing it on other networks like Revcontent too so wouldn't advise against those either!
I imagine there's tons of opportunity in Push/Pops still too but I don't know very much about which networks are best for that...
Anyway though keep up the great work man!
07-15-2020 08:56 PM
#4
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)
There has to be a better solution out there for tracking the same creative across multiple campaigns, do you know of one?
There isnt really a way to automate this in a tracker... as you already learned, newly uploaded creatives are assigned a new ID, so if you really want to analyze the performance of the same creatives used in different campaigns, you have to use a sheet an analyze it manually. Some sources have a "creative DB" where you can assign the same creative to multiple campaigns, so in that case it's easier but it doesnt work like that everywhere.
BTW: maybe don't go that granular with the campaign setup. For example creating separate campaigns for different versions of the same OS, that's a bit of an overkill in most cases. Unless you're running OS version specific offers, which isn't all that common in the end.
That's an interesting optimization strategy. I appreciate the input! On native, though, wouldn't that cost a lot of money to work from offer -> placement?
You have to "mix it up" a bit on native... so even though you'd be focusing on selecting the best performing offer, you can still cut widgets with extremely low performance. Especially in case of some random/unknown sites, as jack_l pointed out in the reply above mine.
07-15-2020 10:21 PM
#5
onticstein (Member)
Originally Posted by
jack_l
Well... cutting that quickly definitely isn't ideal, but the problem is that if you waited for statistical significance you could probably spend over a million dollars optimizing that campaign lol.
On MGID/some push networks/Revcontent/etc you gotta find that balance where you're letting things spend to find the good stuff, but also cutting aggressively so you don't lose too much money in testing.
It also depends on the situation...
If you've got a funnel that you know is fantastic and your planning on running it for years into the future, perhaps you do 2x offer payout in order to make sure you don't miss any good widgets.
But if you're just starting out and just trying to get as many conversions as possible with minimal spend, and just trying to get as much valuable experience as possible to 'learn' the traffic source, I would be more aggressive.
Simiarly with the site in question - if it's MSN or Breitbart or CNN then I would probably give it a lot of spend before blocking, because those are obviously great sites with tons of volume. If it's some random widget you don't know the identity of though or one with some weird name then I'd probably cut really aggressively.
But yeah, honestly I mostly use Outbrain and Taboola now with their SmartBid on, so I don't even look at the widgets. It's more like how I presume buying media on facebook is where all that matters is the quality of your ads and funnel and creativity, etc.
Although certainly there's lots of folks killing it on other networks like Revcontent too so wouldn't advise against those either!
I imagine there's tons of opportunity in Push/Pops still too but I don't know very much about which networks are best for that...
Anyway though keep up the great work man!
Ok, that makes a lot of sense. I decided to kill the other campaign and I've just started a new campaign and I am running it on both MGID & Revcontent (I'll try Taboola soon). I'll be more aggressive on the cutting and see how it goes!
07-15-2020 10:23 PM
#6
onticstein (Member)
Originally Posted by
matuloo
There isnt really a way to automate this in a tracker... as you already learned, newly uploaded creatives are assigned a new ID, so if you really want to analyze the performance of the same creatives used in different campaigns, you have to use a sheet an analyze it manually. Some sources have a "creative DB" where you can assign the same creative to multiple campaigns, so in that case it's easier but it doesnt work like that everywhere.
BTW: maybe don't go that granular with the campaign setup. For example creating separate campaigns for different versions of the same OS, that's a bit of an overkill in most cases. Unless you're running OS version specific offers, which isn't all that common in the end.
You have to "mix it up" a bit on native... so even though you'd be focusing on selecting the best performing offer, you can still cut widgets with extremely low performance. Especially in case of some random/unknown sites, as jack_l pointed out in the reply above mine.
I'm beginning to think this first campaign is dead and I've tried to go far too granular and make it profitable.
I've started a new campaign and will do things differently this time. I'll be more aggressive on cutting and focusing on a wider view. I'm running it on MGID and Revcontent to split test traffic, too.
07-15-2020 10:41 PM
#7
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)
Originally Posted by
onticstein
I'm beginning to think this first campaign is dead and I've tried to go far too granular and make it profitable.
I've started a new campaign and will do things differently this time. I'll be more aggressive on cutting and focusing on a wider view. I'm running it on MGID and Revcontent to split test traffic, too.
Going too granular can really kill a campaign, not saying it's the case here for sure, since I dont have enough info to confirm that, but Ive seen it happening with my own campaigns sooooo many times already.
It's easy to get carried away, block all thats red, isolate the small pockets of profit... but in the end, you end up with a trickle of traffic and even thought it's profitable, it's like 10 bucks a day. The traffic networks also seem to favor less optimized campaigns, since they can sell more inventory that way.
When I look back at the past few years that I've been running paid campaigns, the "cut the worst" strategy really worked the best. So instead of chasing the very best targets, I try to get rid of the worst ones that are hurting my overall performance, then trying to optimize the creatives and selecting the best offers. I mean, it makes no sense to buy from the worst placements/widgets, but as soon as you weed out the bots/fake traffic/poor clicks... the right funnel can convert it in most cases.
07-15-2020 11:09 PM
#8
jack_l (Veteran Member)
Originally Posted by
onticstein
I'm beginning to think this first campaign is dead and I've tried to go far too granular and make it profitable.
I've started a new campaign and will do things differently this time. I'll be more aggressive on cutting and focusing on a wider view. I'm running it on MGID and Revcontent to split test traffic, too.
Good stuff. At this point you're really just "learning" the traffic sources and seeing which one best fits your personality.
In my opinion its more like learning to play a musical instrument than anything else... yes there are best practices you can emulate, but at the end of the day, it just takes a lot of man-hours and exploration until it all clicks and you can actually "make music".
And the most important variable by far is always the offer. If the offer won't work then it doesn't matter how much optimization you do.
But yeah- just as a heads up on Revcontent -it has very very little INTL traffic- I don't think you could spend more than 10-20$ a day on Thailand by itself (was that the geo you were targeting? I forgot now...). But yeah, MGID has much more traffic in a lot of those non-US geo's than Revcontent does. Revcontent is very US-centric.
With that said, I think you'll really like Revcontent, and if you're like me you'll really appreciate knowing the names of the websites rather than just the widget id's.
Do you have Adplexity or Anstrex? If not I would absolutely recommend getting one of them - I couldn't imagine running on natives without it!
Keep posting updates am excited to see your progress man!!!
07-15-2020 11:11 PM
#9
jack_l (Veteran Member)
Originally Posted by
matuloo
Going too granular can really kill a campaign, not saying it's the case here for sure, since I dont have enough info to confirm that, but Ive seen it happening with my own campaigns sooooo many times already.
It's easy to get carried away, block all thats red, isolate the small pockets of profit... but in the end, you end up with a trickle of traffic and even thought it's profitable, it's like 10 bucks a day. The traffic networks also seem to favor less optimized campaigns, since they can sell more inventory that way.
When I look back at the past few years that I've been running paid campaigns, the "cut the worst" strategy really worked the best. So instead of chasing the very best targets, I try to get rid of the worst ones that are hurting my overall performance, then trying to optimize the creatives and selecting the best offers. I mean, it makes no sense to buy from the worst placements/widgets, but as soon as you weed out the bots/fake traffic/poor clicks... the right funnel can convert it in most cases.
Well said.
I think it really depends on the traffic source too- a lot of them really penalize for granularity.
I did a deep dive on my Outbrain account history and was shocked that 99% of all the profits I ever made were from INTL campaigns, whereas my single-geo campaigns were almost universally in the red.
For whatever reason it just seems to me that INTL + 24/7 gives you a massive advantage with their traffic, and as soon as you try to get more specific than that it just falls apart.
07-15-2020 11:19 PM
#10
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)
Originally Posted by
jack_l
Well said.
I think it really depends on the traffic source too- a lot of them really penalize for granularity.
Isnt it pathetic in a way?
On one hand, the networks give us all the targeting options, then on the other one, they penalize us for using them. The paradoxes of this business...
07-16-2020 09:08 PM
#11
onticstein (Member)
Originally Posted by
matuloo
Going too granular can really kill a campaign, not saying it's the case here for sure, since I dont have enough info to confirm that, but Ive seen it happening with my own campaigns sooooo many times already.
It's easy to get carried away, block all thats red, isolate the small pockets of profit... but in the end, you end up with a trickle of traffic and even thought it's profitable, it's like 10 bucks a day. The traffic networks also seem to favor less optimized campaigns, since they can sell more inventory that way.
When I look back at the past few years that I've been running paid campaigns, the "cut the worst" strategy really worked the best. So instead of chasing the very best targets, I try to get rid of the worst ones that are hurting my overall performance, then trying to optimize the creatives and selecting the best offers. I mean, it makes no sense to buy from the worst placements/widgets, but as soon as you weed out the bots/fake traffic/poor clicks... the right funnel can convert it in most cases.
Very well said. This makes me visualize guiding the campaign rather than trying to fit the round peg in the square hole.
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Originally Posted by
jack_l
Well said.
I think it really depends on the traffic source too- a lot of them really penalize for granularity.
I did a deep dive on my Outbrain account history and was shocked that 99% of all the profits I ever made were from INTL campaigns, whereas my single-geo campaigns were almost universally in the red.
For whatever reason it just seems to me that INTL + 24/7 gives you a massive advantage with their traffic, and as soon as you try to get more specific than that it just falls apart.
By INTL, are you referring to campaigns with no geo restriction? Worldwide campaigns?
07-16-2020 10:21 PM
#12
onticstein (Member)
Originally Posted by
jack_l
Good stuff. At this point you're really just "learning" the traffic sources and seeing which one best fits your personality.
In my opinion its more like learning to play a musical instrument than anything else... yes there are best practices you can emulate, but at the end of the day, it just takes a lot of man-hours and exploration until it all clicks and you can actually "make music".
And the most important variable by far is always the offer. If the offer won't work then it doesn't matter how much optimization you do.
But yeah- just as a heads up on Revcontent -it has very very little INTL traffic- I don't think you could spend more than 10-20$ a day on Thailand by itself (was that the geo you were targeting? I forgot now...). But yeah, MGID has much more traffic in a lot of those non-US geo's than Revcontent does. Revcontent is very US-centric.
With that said, I think you'll really like Revcontent, and if you're like me you'll really appreciate knowing the names of the websites rather than just the widget id's.
Do you have Adplexity or Anstrex? If not I would absolutely recommend getting one of them - I couldn't imagine running on natives without it!
Keep posting updates am excited to see your progress man!!!
I love this perspective. Anytime I've tried something in life and I've failed... it's because I was looking at it more from a "formulaic" perspective of if I do
EXACTLY (X) I will get
EXACTLY (Z). I've found that life doesn't really work like that and it IS exactly like learning an instrument. I'm excited for the process and I know I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be.
I noticed that when I signed up for Revcontent. My previous campaign was in Thailand, but I'm not moving onto Vietnam. It said something like 30k clicks per week? Which is obviously not huge if that's their
entire market.
I do use Anstrex and I love it
Thanks for all the input so far!
07-16-2020 11:21 PM
#13
jack_l (Veteran Member)
Originally Posted by
onticstein
By INTL, are you referring to campaigns with no geo restriction? Worldwide campaigns?
Yes
07-17-2020 01:57 AM
#14
onticstein (Member)
Originally Posted by
jack_l
Just to confirm - what are your rules for blocking widgets right now? 2x offer payout only? That actually might be heavier than most people. I'd say cutting at 1x payout or even .75x payout is more common with higher-priced products like that.
And then also cutting widgets with really low lp ctr's would be common. Maybe any widgets that hits 10 clicks with 0 lp clicks if the normal lp ctr is 40%. Or are you direct linking?
Anyway great job though! That's a very respectable first campaign!
PS And then as far as the offer it's hard to say - I don't know enough about MGID to know if the campaign is still doable or if the results so far are the best you'll get. If it's on an upward trajectory the last few days I might keep it, otherwise maybe cut. You can always restart it later - generally the more campaigns you do the better you'll get. I almost think I would have learned more if I had just forced myself to do 50-100 $100 min-campaigns when I started rather than trying to get big wins off the bat. Again though that's a great first result and you should be proud!
Going back to what you were saying about cutting widgets... on this new campaign I've been very aggressive on cutting widgets once they reach 10+ clicks with 0 offer click throughs... you mentioned a 40% lp ctr, is that standard? Or just a number you were using? Trying to see if cutting after 10 clicks and 0 lp click throughs is too aggressive for me.
07-17-2020 06:54 AM
#15
jack_l (Veteran Member)
Hey @onticstein - ya, 40% was just an example, it could be way less than that (or even more than that) depending on a bunch of factors.
I use 40% as an example because that tends to be about the lp ctr for all those little "mini teaser lp's" that you see before Clickbank offers. The ones with one headline, one image, a couple lines of text, and then a "Watch Now" button.
A long ecom advertorial might be closer to 10-25% though, and a lead-gen advertorial for life insurance or something could also be in that range. Whereas a super clickbaity mini-lp could be even higher.
The LP ctr really doesn't matter - all that matters is the overall conversion rate and epc, but they are helpful to use as a "top of funnel" conversion by which to optimize, in that a widget that goes 0/10 click-throughs on an LP that averages 40% is probably not gonna be a good one (at least statistically speaking most of the time it won't be).
07-20-2020 03:08 AM
#16
onticstein (Member)
Originally Posted by
jack_l
Right on man, yeah I agree, I think best thing you can do is just test lots of campaigns... start getting a feel for each traffic source... etc.. eventually one of the campaigns will just do great right out of the gate and then you can really hone in on it and double down...
Also in that vein, I'd definitely encourage you to try out Outbrain and Taboola too.
I know when I started I was really concerned with "not jumping around too much", but in retrospect I wish I had tried all four networks at once, spending 1-2k on each of them, rather than sort of going one by one.
I think I would have saved money on networks I no longer run on and would have started seeing profits sooner on the ones I do still run on if I had tried that strategy.
But yeah keep us updated man, look forward to watching your progress!
Ok, I really appreciate the advice. I'm running campaigns in lower tier countries so I spend less while I'm learning. Are Outbrain and Taboola mostly tier 1 countries? Or do they also have a decent volume for others?
07-20-2020 04:42 AM
#17
jack_l (Veteran Member)
Originally Posted by
onticstein
Ok, I really appreciate the advice. I'm running campaigns in lower tier countries so I spend less while I'm learning. Are Outbrain and Taboola mostly tier 1 countries? Or do they also have a decent volume for others?
They have TONS of tier 2+3 traffic... that's what is so nice... you could literally earn a fulltime income just from targeting the Philippines or Mexico or something... I even have a campaign that gets decent traffic in Kenya each day (although it's one of a number of countries in that campaign).
Tough part is finding offers though - you can't run a lot of the stuff you can run on Revcontent and MGID unfortunately.
Ecom works though. If you belong to DFO or GiddyUp or a similar network you can run all those gadget type offers. Or dating... app install.. financial lead-gen... etc... and quite a few Clickbank VSL's on Outbrain actually...
07-20-2020 03:54 PM
#18
onticstein (Member)
Originally Posted by
jack_l
They have TONS of tier 2+3 traffic... that's what is so nice... you could literally earn a fulltime income just from targeting the Philippines or Mexico or something... I even have a campaign that gets decent traffic in Kenya each day (although it's one of a number of countries in that campaign).
Tough part is finding offers though - you can't run a lot of the stuff you can run on Revcontent and MGID unfortunately.
Ecom works though. If you belong to DFO or GiddyUp or a similar network you can run all those gadget type offers. Or dating... app install.. financial lead-gen... etc... and quite a few Clickbank VSL's on Outbrain actually...
Ok, great! Yeah... I'm just discovering this... I submitted a testosterone booster last night to Taboola and woke up to a rejection today because nothing involving a sexual nature is allowed at all. I'll need to look for some
very clean offers then!
PS - I just got an email this morning stating that my first offer that I started this post with (the one I decided to stop running in Thailand) will no longer be active on my network. Great timing! I wonder if I was one of the last affiliates sending traffic to it!
07-20-2020 06:53 PM
#19
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)
Originally Posted by
onticstein
PS - I just got an email this morning stating that my first offer that I started this post with (the one I decided to stop running in Thailand) will no longer be active on my network. Great timing! I wonder if I was one of the last affiliates sending traffic to it!
Offers come and go pretty often, don't get too attached to any of them... milk it while it works, then move on when they go down.
Maybe you were one of the last, maybe the performance wasn't any special so they decided to pull it... in the end it doesnt really matter
The ROI out the gate seems way too low and what you all said has really resonated with me... about launching more and more campaigns since the offer is the highest level variable. I will find a winner.
Minus 66% is a low number, but I've seen even worse campaigns turning green, given that there was a lot of space for optimizations... so really bad LP, failed creatives, some error in setup or a bunch of very poor placements that sucked the budget dry. However, in case of a decent setup with everything done correctly (from the most part) it's quite unlikely to go from -66% to some decent profit.
So yes, I agree with your decision to pause this offer and look for a better one.
07-29-2020 11:40 PM
#20
onticstein (Member)
Hey guys, I'm deciding to ask this here because this has sort of turned into a "Follow Along" thread for me. I've been dealing with a little bit of the "shiny object syndrome" thing here this past week... decided to do the $1 guide because why not (want to get the most knowledge I can out of the forum)... but, then I was thinking... is this taking my focus off native? and should I be doing native? Or pop because it's cheaper? or push because it's also cheaper? Now, I'm starting to feel my thoughts are very scattered and I've lost a strong focus I had when I was optimizing my native campaign daily. Should I focus on a cheaper traffic source like push while learning? Just looking for some advice and guidance, because I know how important it is to stick with ONE traffic source and master it. I don't have a huge budget to start so just looking for some advice.
07-29-2020 11:47 PM
#21
jack_l (Veteran Member)
Originally Posted by
onticstein
Hey guys, I'm deciding to ask this here because this has sort of turned into a "Follow Along" thread for me. I've been dealing with a little bit of the "shiny object syndrome" thing here this past week... decided to do the $1 guide because why not (want to get the most knowledge I can out of the forum)... but, then I was thinking... is this taking my focus off native? and should I be doing native? Or pop because it's cheaper? or push because it's also cheaper? Now, I'm starting to feel my thoughts are very scattered and I've lost a strong focus I had when I was optimizing my native campaign daily. Should I focus on a cheaper traffic source like push while learning? Just looking for some advice and guidance, because I know how important it is to stick with ONE traffic source and master it. I don't have a huge budget to start so just looking for some advice.
Personally, I only think it's "Shiny Object Syndrome" if its keeping you from taking action... so if you're trying different stuff but in a way that constitutes actual action (like running push campaigns) I think that's fine.
There's a saying I love that "You have to be in business to succeed in business"... I always take it to mean that the successful business ventures are always ones that you would never have stumbled across if you hadn't started other business ventures first. But if you never branch out and try the new things that pop up you won't have the opportunity to find those ones.
So yeah, rip it up, as long as you're actual doing camps and taking action. If you just find yourself reading about new ventures without taking action (something I myself often find myself guilty of) then I would just hunker down and try to focus. As as your taking "massive daily action" I'm sure it will work out. Even if you quit the push stuff, I'm sure what you learn will be useful in doing natives anyway.
Edit: You could always do both too - tell yourself that you are going to do the $1 guide but that you're also going to commit to starting one new campaign a week on Revcontent/Outbrain/Taboola/etc.
07-30-2020 12:27 AM
#22
onticstein (Member)
Originally Posted by
jack_l
Personally, I only think it's "Shiny Object Syndrome" if its keeping you from taking action... so if you're trying different stuff but in a way that constitutes actual action (like running push campaigns) I think that's fine.
There's a saying I love that "You have to be in business to succeed in business"... I always take it to mean that the successful business ventures are always ones that you would never have stumbled across if you hadn't started other business ventures first. But if you never branch out and try the new things that pop up you won't have the opportunity to find those ones.
So yeah, rip it up, as long as you're actual doing camps and taking action. If you just find yourself reading about new ventures without taking action (something I myself often find myself guilty of) then I would just hunker down and try to focus. As as your taking "massive daily action" I'm sure it will work out. Even if you quit the push stuff, I'm sure what you learn will be useful in doing natives anyway.
Edit: You could always do both too - tell yourself that you are going to do the $1 guide but that you're also going to commit to starting one new campaign a week on Revcontent/Outbrain/Taboola/etc.
Wonderful reply! I really appreciate the advice... and you're right. I haven't found myself not taking action (so we're good there). I'm still taking action on a daily basis. I guess it's more of "in my head" that trying pop or push (when I started with native) is meandering. But, you're right... most of what I'm doing is transferrable across all the traffic sources.
Thank you again!
07-30-2020 09:14 AM
#23
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)
Just to add to what jack_l posted and that I agree with: It's fine to battle on multiple fronts as long as you are able to keep track and understand what you are doing.
At the beginning, it's easy to get lost in all the data, so do not take more on your shoulders than you can handle. It's pointless to run push, pops, native etc... at the same time, when you can't properly utilize the data you are buying.
And one more thing, when moving from one thing to the next one... make sure you're giving each of them a PROPER try, before moving to the next one. Running $50 worth of push, then $50 worth of POPs, then ... that won't help you in any way. The goal is to learn as much as possible from each of the attempts, so give it the time it needs.
11-30-2020 10:20 PM
#24
jack_l (Veteran Member)
Originally Posted by
mcstacks
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jack_l for the JVE native course you are mentioning...is that the Native Ads Masterclass over at istacktraining.com, is that the same think? I think so but just wanted to be sure...I'm looking at that one and have seen a few recomendations for it.
Been watching as many JVE videos on YT as I can...totally newbie to native here!
Yes, it is
It's a little dated in that back then you could run whitelists on basically all the big native networks and now you can't really, but other than that I'd say it's still totally up to date...
Or, if James does another native ads geekout, I'd jump on that too. I heard he did one with Joe Burton and Losid last year that was extremely good. And then I got to see the one he did with GiddyUp + Taboola and that was great too.
12-02-2020 11:36 PM
#25
mcstacks (Member)
Originally Posted by
jack_l
Yes, it is
It's a little dated in that back then you could run whitelists on basically all the big native networks and now you can't really, but other than that I'd say it's still totally up to date...
Or, if James does another native ads geekout, I'd jump on that too. I heard he did one with Joe Burton and Losid last year that was extremely good. And then I got to see the one he did with GiddyUp + Taboola and that was great too.
Cool nice! Listened to Joe Burton interview the other day b/c JVE mentioned him as the man.
Yeah I found the Nothing But Natives courses which seemed to be recordings of some live classes they did...it's at a site called Geek Out too, seems like the same thing?
Right here >>
https://geekoutedu.com/nbn/
12-03-2020 01:50 AM
#26
jack_l (Veteran Member)
Originally Posted by
mcstacks
Cool nice! Listened to Joe Burton interview the other day b/c JVE mentioned him as the man.
Yeah I found the Nothing But Natives courses which seemed to be recordings of some live classes they did...it's at a site called Geek Out too, seems like the same thing?
Right here >>
https://geekoutedu.com/nbn/
Yep, geekoutedu is his education brand.
If you've never run natives before, I would recommend the actual iStack/STM course from a couple years ago. I think its the best for understanding the introductory stuff and getting a good start on everything. It also has six or seven 3-4 hour long Q&A sessions he did with the attendees, which are invaluable. Just way more good stuff for your money, and a lot of important things to know as a beginner that will save you thousands of dollars. I still re-watch it all the time now.
Then if you've already spent 10k plus on natives I would recommend the one you linked to above. It's great too but I just think the first one packs more value in for the money, especially if you're just starting on natives.
They're both absolutely amazing though.
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