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The $1 Guide With A Twist (34)

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Alright, today I will give you a mix of campaign guide and case study

I thought to give the concept of the $1 guide (making money with push subscription offers) a try myself and so I did

Basically I wanted to check if it´s only good to make the first few $ with push subscription offers or if it could be worth to run it for higher profits as well.
I didn´t follow the guide exactly but took it as a base for my tests.

My test campaigns are no big money makers but for me it was more important to check if a beginner can make his first real online money with it or not.
For this task these campaigns are really nice and every low profit campaign is still much better than a losing campaign.

I also didn´t run the stuff as my main campaigns, it´s rather a side project that doesn´t take much time.
When I would put more time and energy in it I guess I could probably make at least 5x what I made so far.

So when you know how to work with such offers then chances are good that even a beginner can have his first success with these campaign.

The whole process was a bit different than what I planned and I jumped around a bit to find a good way how to test the offers so don´t worry when it´s a bit confusing for you - it´s not your fault but rather the way how I ran it.

In the end it shouldn´t matter much because I can still show you that I had success with my tests and that it´s possible to make at least some money with it

Anyway, let´s start now and let me tell you how I worked on the campaigns and why I did what I did

In my pop coaching I was teaching my students about 2 years ago already that push subscription offers are very good for beginners.

The reason is that they have a very easy flow, they have low payouts and many of them also accept worldwide traffic which is very good for scaling.

In my tests I focused only on mobile traffic and targeted only Chrome browser and I used pop traffic with SmartCPA/CPA Goal bids.
That way I didn´t even had to blacklist placements or so, I just run my campaigns and collect stats for later use.

At first I collected many different push subscription offers from few different networks.

In Binom you can make notes for offers, LPs and stuff so I used it to put info about the geos and their payouts there for every offer.
It took some time and was a pretty boring task but that way I had all needed details exactly where I need them when I want to check something.



Altogether I had about 35-40 offers to test.

When I had all details I need I started my first tests, I had some offers that accepted only one geo and other offers that accept basically all geos worldwide.

In the first tests I used two different geos, RU and BR.

At first I tested RU because I had few offers that accepted only this geo and I wanted to test them as well.
Here are the offers that I tested in this geo



Revenue and profit is pretty low but it´s converting and it´s making money and in the end these tests should only be to collect some stats to use for the next round.

As you can see there are many offers that convert and are profitable so usually I wanted to find out which ones are doing best.
But volume for that campaign was rather low so I just kept them all running and wanted to cross check then later with the other test.

For the offers that accept many different geos I had to find another way to test it effective.
By far most of the offers are multi geo offers so there the test process was a bit different.

Often a good multi geo offer is also strong in different geos so I took a high volume/low price geo to test several offers there for cheap money and when an offer is doing good there I would run it in more expensive geos as well.

I couldn´t use the same multi geo offers for the second test because the payouts were not enough for BR, the geo for the second test.
I then grabbed just a few other offers that accepted BR and where the payout was better and started my tests.

Here you can see the results of my BR test:



There were two metrics that were interesting for me for both of the tests: the conversion rate and the payout.

A high payout doesn´t help when the CR is too low but a high CR doesn´t help when the payout is too low.

My job was now to find offers that have the best combination of CR and payout on the high volume/low cost geo and test the winning offers then on other geos as well.

As you can see on the screenshots from the campaigns the highest payouts were not the best offers in terms on ROI or profit.

In the RU campaign I just kept all ofers running because there wasn´t much volume anyway but for the BR campaign there was enough traffic available.

I didn´t try to find the best offers right away but I rather wanted to get rid of the worst offers first and basically build my way up then.

As you can see I first paused two offers because they didn´t convert good enough.
Then I kept the remaining ones running for a bit and checked again.
At this point I already decided for a winning offer.

There are offers with better payouts but lower CR, then there is an offer with higher CR but lower payout.
The offer I kept running then had a good combination of payout and CR.

Well, now I had some stats and could start the real tests with it - but then I had and idea and wanted to test something else as well

I wanted to see how ID and IN perform with such offers.

These geos have massive volume and traffic is extremely cheap there.
Payouts were only about $0.03-$0.06 for these geos but when the flow is easy enough it still could work.

But it didn´t



Spent a few $, didn´t show enough potential, cancelled the tests.

Nonetheless these tests were absolutely worth it although I didn´t know it at this point yet.

I had few offers in my list that had pretty nice payouts for ID and IN.
And with pretty nice payouts I mean $0.03-$0.04 which is good for these geos and such a flow.

Although these few offers were not profitable they still converted and probably I could also get them profitable there when I would spend more time on it.

But these offers also have good payouts for many other geos so I wanted to test them in more expensive geos as well.

I then created a test campaign for AU, US, and Nordics to test the offers.

Here you can see the stats from the offers I tested in this campaign:



I used the same approach again that I already used in BR, I got rid of the worst offers first and tried to identify the best ones then step by step.

Eventually I found 2 offers where also the relation between payout and CR was good so that I continued only with them.

Here are the overall stats from these campaign sorted by day:



As you can see, the first day was pretty bad.
That was because US was taking a huge part of the traffic but didn´t convert good.

Here are stats sorted by country so that you can see it yourself:



You see that US was really bad, FI and NO also have quite some losses but SE for example is doing very good.
I didn´t exclude the bad geos because it´s a SmartCPA/CPA Goal campaign where the trafficsource takes care of it when these geos don´t convert good enough.

The real stats are also better because as usual I set a higher % trafficloss than it really is.

Here are more accurate numbers for the US, AU and Nordics campaign from TheOptimizer



Now let´s have a look at the total stats for all of these campaigns sorted by day.
Don´t wonder about the lower profit, it´s again because I set a higher trafficloss.
The more accurate numbers are in the Optimizer screenshot below.



The first two days were in loss because I had to weed out bad offers first.

Once I had good offers every following day was profitable.

Then the performance drop on 2020-04-28 was when I started the test with the more expenvise geos.
But the campaign got optimized pretty good so that then it was profitable each and every day without lifting a finger for it.

Well, that´s basically all and there is not much more to say.

I will just keep the campaigns running as long as they make money, maybe I will even test the winning offers in more geos.

What did I learn from these campaigns?

That it´s definitely possible to make money from these offers and it´s not even that hard.

Try to identify good offers and then test them in different geos to find a good match.

I only had very few campaigns just for testing, only on one trafficsource and only ran it on SmartCPA/CPA Goal.

Nonetheless I made in total about $224 or so profit from these campaigns



Considering how less work was needed for it I would say it´s a pretty nice additional money.
Few more campaigns, more sources, more geos and it could easily scale to $1k or $2k or even more.

And we can also see that testing is important.
When I would stick with my original plan to just use RU and BR to find good offers for the more expensive geos I probably wouldn´t have these results.

Just because I tested IN and ID as well I found the winning offers.
And even when these offers were not profitable in IN and ID they had enough potential for me to consider them worthy for the other tests.

Maybe you can´t get rich with that stuff but especially for our beginners who struggle a bit and have more red than green days it can be a really good way to run first profitable campaigns.

Another advantage is that it´s all direct linked so it´s even easier to run.

Many of our beginners here come from the $1 guide anyway so this would be probably the easiest transition towards the next step and I am 100% confident when someone puts more energy in that stuff then it´s aboslutely possible to make profit of $1k+/month with it.

The biggest difference to the $1 guide is that you need a tracker to run it so that you can splittest the different offers.
Another big advatnage of using a tracker is that you have much better stats to work with.

So for all the beginners who started with the $1 guide and still need a tracker check out FunnelFlux, you can test it for only $1 for the first month and the support helps you with the setup.

When you have any questions just ask but it would be better to just take action and start your campaigns.

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I love twinaxe, I really do. But sometimes his genius is lost on mortals.

I mean, I think I appreciate this? I'm sure it has very useful information somewhere.

But it's incredibly confusing and light on details. I have no idea what you ran, smart links? Push sub links? From monetizer? mobipium? 35-40 different 'offers' of what?

Your stats look great, but I have no idea what you're doing or what you did.

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After jaybots constructive criticism I decided to re-write the post a bit to make it a little bit easier to follow.

I hope it helped

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Much better.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.

So, similar to the original $1 guide. You were running push subscription smart links in a multi-geo SmartCPA camp?

Can you even do push subscription-only pages using Propeller? They tend to ban camps that focus only on collecting subs (even their own).

I know you said 35-40 smart links, all from Monetizer? Mobipium? Where else can we find these push sub smart links to test?

Were the payouts simply from the few cents you get for a push sub, or did it include smartlink fallback offers?

Anyway, for not a lot of effort, you can still earn $XXX a month so it's definitely something to look into

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Dude, you also need to read carefully.

I am talking about push subscription offers, not smartlinks.

And I didn't say that I was using Propeller, there are quite a few more trafficsources to run SmartCPA/CPA Goal campaigns

And the payouts were only from the conversions, nothing else.

All direct linked to the push subscription offers

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I read carefully. It wasn't clear. Thanks for clarifying.

Now clarify what a push subscription offer is and where to find it, because I have no idea what it is.

Also, listing some traffic sources would be nice.

SmartCPA/CPA/Goal sources that I know of would be AdCash, ClickAdu Propeller, Adsterra.

Not much of a case study without being a bit more specific.

Otherwise, it's just 'I did well doing something and here are some numbers and methods of how I did something.'

Don't worry, we're not going to steal your offers or sources.

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Oh, it´s not about that.

Let me try to clarify my intentions a bit

For me a case study is rather something to show a whole campaign with all details that you ran but that has ended already.

These campaigns didn´t end yet, they are still running and working and people can still make money with it.
That´s why I wanted to post this thread more as a campaign guide where users get enough information to that run stuff themselves.
But I am not a big friend of spoonfeeding from A-Z, it still should be at least a little bit challenging.

In my opinion I already gave enough hints about the campaigns that it should be possible to run it.
From the info you know the traffic type, the offers and what bid format to use.

This is basically the whole campaign already -> grab some offers, put them in the tracker, run them as direct linked SmartCPA or CPA Goal (however the trafficsource you use would call it).
That´s all.

I mean, that stuff is no rocket science.

It´s pops, it´s direct linking, it´s SmartCPA so that you don´t even have to care care of optimization.
Additionaly I also showed stats from different geos that I tested so that you can get an idea what works and what not.

It can´t get much easier

But to answer your questions

A push subscription offer is an offer that converts on a successful push subscription.

You can find them on various networks, Clickdealer even has an own category for it



About trafficsources, you already listed good ones but I´d like to add HilltopAds, Advertizer and Self Advertiser to the list.

How much more details do you need for a direct linking Smart CPA campaign?

Yes, I did somewhat well with something and I also tell what the something is.

You don´t really want to criticize that I tell a method how everyone, even the freshest beginner, can make money or what?

I am really sorry that the first version of the post was pretty confusing and I did my best to listen to your criticism to write it down more clearly.

But this is probably some of the easiest stuff you can run and I already gave more than enough information that it shouldn´t be hard for anyone to run it themselves.

So forgive me when I expect that people should be able to setup a direct linking campaign themself

Now where you know what exactly these offers are why don´t you just give it a try?

One more hint, don´t test too old offers, from my experience newer ones often work better.

And compare payouts to do a fast pre-check if it´s worth it or not.

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Cool.

There it is. That's all I wanted to know

Remember, even those piggy-backing off the original $1 Guide will have only used the exact Mobipium offer that Vortex suggested, and had no idea what it was.

Hilltop caveat that you have to specify a CPA account when you sign up, otherwise you are stuck with CPM.

For some reason these two accounts are separated. Self Advertiser is good, but unless it's changed, Self Advertiser isn't exactly CPA, it's a weird combination of setting your CPA goal and auto-adjusting bid multiplication, but it does work really well

Again, this is awesome, I know it is. I just want everything to be crystal clear so even idiots like me can figure it out.

We're all just so used to Vortex doing everything step-by-step and explaining every little detail that we get spoiled sometimes

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You are right man, probably I just assumed that it's clear for everyone what kind of offer I mean.

Btw, I have no idea idea from where you got the 35-40 smartlinks from one of the previous posts as I didn't mention smartlinks at all

Yes, you need a separate account for it.

But it's doable

About Self Advertiser, maybe no real CPA goal but as you said, it works.

Maybe I should rant at Amy.

She's pampering too much and makes you guys lazy

Man, now I was writing so much about the stuff.
I really think about testing some more of these campaigns myself tomorrow.

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Thanks for this case study/guide, looks really interesting. Really thinking of giving it a go, might be a big confidence boost to get some camps working and bringing in money every day consistently.

I'm conscious that this won't help me learn how to optimise my own POP camps BUT I have been experimenting with CPA Goal on Propeller a lot recently, so it's caught my eye. Looks like a fun challenge. I'll have to switch to a different TS though as I know Propeller Ads doesn't like push collection pages (Had camps rejected for that in the past myself).

I also had a few questions of my own:

1. What was the % Payout You set for the SmartCPA/CPA Goal?
2. For the final camp where you show results from multiple different countries for the two final offers. Did you target all countries accepted by the offers in one SmartCPA/CPA goal camp on the Traffic Source?
3. When you say to "Compare payouts to see if it is worth it to do a fast pre-check" I'm a little confused, just because I want to be careful as you stated that the performance of the offer should be judged on the payout and the CR.
4. Not sure if I should include Dating / Adult push subscription offers? Will CPA Goal let me run those?


Amy really does make guides that are as smooth as butter.

I completely understand your ethos of pushing people to experiment & test in your guides as opposed to Amy's style.

I think there's a time and a place for both styles.

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Good question, it´s a bit different because I used offers with different payouts in one campaign.

In the end I tried to keep it high enough to run competitive bids but still lowert than the lowest offer payout in the test.

No, the offers itself accept almost worldwide traffic.

I just too some of the highest payout geos with similar rates for the test.

Yep, should be judged by payout and CR.

But these offers have such an easy flow that they usually either should work or not.

So even when you test different payouts the difference shouldn´t be too big.
Otherwise it wouldbe hard to have a high enough CR to make good for the low payout compared to other offers.

I don´t know

Really man, I can´t even tell you what the offers I tested are about.

Sure, for some offers you can see it from their names but in the end I don´t care about it and just test.

But you are right, better make sure that the offers you want to test are allowed on the trafficsource you want to use.

Amy is big mama STM, I am the drill instructor

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I read this bit with German accent and it sounded 10x more intimidating than it is haha

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Hey there. Really wanted to give this a try but I couldn't seem to find such offers on ClickDealer without revshare. Do you have other networks to recommend?

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It´s not rev share, check the descriptions.

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I checked some of the offers on CD with my AM. They are in Russian Ruble, so a 0.12 per conversion for BR is only 0.0017 USD.

The tracker might be showing the wrong currency for these offers.

Sent from my Mi 9 SE using Tapatalk

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Yes, some are in rubles but many others are in USD.

To be honest, I also skipped the ones in rubles bebause the payout is very low.

Depends on the tracker, in Binom for example you can set the offers currency.

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I see. Thanks for clearing up the confusion.

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Relevant memes heheh

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Time to raise the fighting spirit

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Hello Twinaxe, Thanks for your valuable post.

I tested 2 geos AE and SE. Here are the stats, I know it's not much data to know the potential of the campaign but as you tested in ID and IN and by spending few $ you stopped it. So should i continue this campaign or not? as it's my very first campaign



And one more thing did you tested multi geos in one campaign as the offer accept WW traffic or you target one country in one campaign as I can see you have more data from different countries? and what kind of rule I should apply here for these campaigns as it's an easy flow and have no landers, direct linking, so by spending 3x or 5x(depending on payout as it's quite low) I should judge the campaign or I mean where I can stop and move to other geos?

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I'm so, so impressed by this @twinaxe!

This is a typical example of taking something (my $1 guide in this case) and running with it by thinking one step further, then doing a shit ton of testing.

Simply following a guide to the "T" may not make you too much money, because everybody would be doing it. But innovating based on it WILL.

Thank you Lord Twinaxe for this contribution! When I update the $1 guide (very soon!) I'll link from there to this guide as well. It's a natural progression - the next step up!

You guys are all just, so, CUTE! LOL! Thanks for all those comments - they made my day! I need to return to the forums starting this week - been busy working on other stuff. I miss "chatting" with you guys here on the forum!



Amy

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I am sorry that I can´t give you a better answer but it´s impossible to tell if you should continue with these campaigns or not.

How many offers did you test, did you check the placements for volume as well?

When 90% of the traffic comes from only few big placements it could help to just stop them and spend some more money on the test.

Would be great when you could post a bit more info so that we can get a better idea of your campaign setup.

And as so often, it all comes down to the offers.
So when you only test 1 offer and it doesn´t work it doesn´t tell you much about the potential or not.

A better offer could turn the tables.

I ran the stuff only on SmartCPA/CPA Goal.

This means that I had no rules for it and let the trafficsource take care of optimization.

That´s also why I just ran few different geos in one campaign.
Usually I keep different geos separated.

But when you run it in a single geo and need to work with rules I would just keep it running for at least 10x payout.

I know that this is a bit different from what I usually tell how to calculate budget.

Unluckily there is no universal rule that can be applied for each and every campaign we run so I often decide case by case, based on what´s the best way to work with that campaign.

And here we have the situation that we have very low payouts where single non-converting placements can already eat some of the bdget before we get the chance to exclude them.

So just run the campaigns and try to get rid of non converting high volume placements pretty early and check if you receive conversions at all.
When you don´t have any conversions after 10x payout and the traffic was coming from quite a few different placements stop the campaign.

But when there are conversions dig a bit deeper and check if it´s worth it to continue.

And this is what we should do with your stats above

The $1 guide is for starters, the $1 guide on steroids is for kickstarters

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Yeah I just started as well so following this thread and combining with the 1$ starter guide as I think it has great potential for a newbie to get hands on and learn the stuff. So please give updates if you are still running

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@affguru Sorry I somehow missed your post.

Placement = website that send you the traffic.

Sometimes it happens that only few big websites send the most part of the traffic.

Then these websites have a huge impact on the overall campaign perfromance.

In such situations it´s better to block these big placements so that the traffic is distributed across more different placements/websites where each of them doesn´t have such big impact on the overall performance.

Correct, Popads doesn´t have such bid options.

There you have to chose between Smart Bid, then you pay more for the traffic but they send you more volume or you can use Legacy Bid, there they optimise the bids for lower cost but you will receive less volume.

So when you want to play safe better use Legacy Bid, when you want to get fast results use Smart Bid.

Not really running it anymore, was only for the guide here.

Will try to fire up some more tests when I have some spare time

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Hello @twinaxe. I will be engaging in this thread as well as haka mobi thread, untill it make some profits

I am testing more and more now a days, so here I am facing a weird problem which you can solve it

Let's suppose Germany have payout of 0.20$ and I ran the campaign by spending 10x payout(2$ max to see if it converts).

Two questions:

1- Should I first test with SmartCPM campaign and then with some good WL I should go with SmartCPA?

2- As we have low payout offers what we can expect to get some conversions in the given budget so that we get to know we should continue or stop the campaign right.

but the problem is, in that budget you can't really have enough data so that you can play with the zones right. You will not gonna have more WL either which you can test seperately.

So I am totally confused should I test different country with more budget by not seeing the payout(which is low) to get some more data(or WL) or I need to test in the 10x payout budget and check it should work or should not and move on to next geo.

As I can see you have pretty much data to get the conclusion, so are you tested with the 10x payout budget and you were spending more because you were getting conversions or you spent some amount first to get the data after that you took the profitable campaigns?

As you had 35-40 offers to test(I have only 2 best offers from clickdealer as of now), have you tested all the offers in one campaign to test which offer is performing good?

Sorry for the noob questions, maybe I am complicating the process or either problem with the traffic source or with the offer(given by trusted clickdealer ) don't know

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You can start with SmartCPM and when you have a good offer run it on CPA Goal.

Collect some stats that way and use it for WL campaigns.

These offers have low payouts but also a very easy flow so that you should see some conversions in the test.

Sorry, I am not sure what you mean with it.

I didn´t test with the 10x payout budget because I tested on SmartCPA and set a rather high daily budget.

But I wouldn´t really recommend it because I also had some (calculated) losses that you should try to avoid when you don´t have a cashflow for it.

I set a rather high daily limit considering the offer payout and let it run for some time because SmartCPA campaigns start optomizing when they already spent some budget.

Not all in one campaign because of geo restrictions and different payouts but yes, I tested several offers per campaign.

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Got excited to see this thread. Then reality hit me when I checked Mobidea for push subscription category. They have 7 offers, each with a $0.01 payout. Doesn't seem worthwhile. I checked Mobipium and they don't have any of these offers. ClickDealer rejected my application, so I'm stuck again.

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Try to message them here on STM or try to contact them again and tell that you are a valuable STM member and that you heard great things about them here in the forum

There are many other networks as well so when you get rejected don´t worry.

You still have plenty others to chose from.

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@twinaxe what's TheOptimzer? It looks like a tracker but why would you need another tracker if you are already using the Binom?

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TheOptimizer is a platform to automatically optimize campaigns by rules.

You use it additional to a tracker.

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Can I know other aff networks with many push sub offers like clickdealer?

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Zeydoo has some of these offers, Gotzha also has some.

But there are also some trafficsources where you can run such offers as publisher.

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@twinaxe Just curious, how did you collect these 40 offers? Did you grab anything you could find under the "push subscription" category or did you ask recommendations from the AM's?

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I just checked for push sub offers offers on CPA networks and tested

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