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Is it possible to make 10k/month with Push? How? (44)

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Hi,

I've been doing AM for almost 6 months, PushAds for almost 4 months.

How is it possible to scale up to 10k/month with Push?

From what I can guess, sounds like you probably need to manage 100+ campaigns.

I am not sure how much traffic you can get for just one campaign.

For example, I've been running a UK campaign, for both adult+mainstream, I'm the top bidder, and I can still only barely do $XXX in revenue a day. EDIT: And this was on a single traffic source. Do I need to scale to several other traffic sources to really make it work?

This is way different from FB or Google, where if you got a winning campaign...well, you just dial up the budget or bid.

Any thoughts?

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I should let others chime in. But.

Which source?

There are a shitload of push sources out there (propeller, rich, pushground, admaven, evadav, ZP, Dao, etc. etc. etc.), you could scale to those and get to XXXX/d pretty fast if successful on each one.

Megapush has so much traffic that you could do XXXX/d with just them. Careful though, you can also spend that much in a day.

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I'm on AdMaven. I've tried Exoclick, Exoclick seems about the same as AdMaven once u cut the super spendy placements.

I find I can spend about $200/day on AdMaven, as the top bidder, adult AND mainstream feeds.

Propeller seemed to have about as much as AdMaven.

Could you do XXXX/d on MegaPush on a single country?

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Yes, it is possible and even more.

I run medium 5 figures/month on push only with one offer.

The targeting is rather specific but the offer takes traffic from many different geos.

I run it in about 25 countries or so on few different platforms.

But you are right with the 100+ campaigns, I run lots of campaigns to get these numbers.

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Six figures of revenue are possible and 10k as profit easily.

Or rather it was quite easy.

I feel things got definitely harder in some verticals this month.

And volumes and quality of push is also lower than it used to be.

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@erikgyepes ballpark number of campaigns you run?
@twinaxe when trying to reverse engineer how to get to where I wanna go, it seems to me launching 1 campaign a day is way too slow for me. I really need to do at least 3, possibly 5 campaigns a day? EDIT: maybe 10??

I am accounting UK-mainstream and UK-adult as 2 different campaigns.

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$10K revenue is easy and $10K profit still doable. But as Erik mentioned, it is getting harder and harder.

My impression is that volume of fresh users is decreasing this month and the bids are going up.

So when you have winning campaign, scale as fast as possible. Launching 2-3 camps per day is not that much.

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Lol, yes 1 campaign per day is not enough.

I create 40 or so campaigns per day, often more.
On some days I created more than 100 campaigns a day.

As I said, I run the offer in about 25 Geos and on several different platforms.
That alone is accountable for quite some campaigns when I want to run different bids, different user freshness/activity, test new creatives from time to time, get fresh eyeballs to my campaigns and so on.

But it´s not as complicated as it sounds, I have my flow and automated a bit of the work so it doesn´t take that long.

Additionally I also test new offers and other trafficsources so that I have some other campaigns running as well, diversity FTW

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What are your main verticals?

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I am focused on the dating vertical right now.

Although I am considering it's possible I should switch to another vertical, like sweeps I guess.

Because...while I understand focus is important, I have also been doing that vertical for almost 5 months. Full-time too, not part-time. I freelanced maybe 15 hours over the past 5 months to offset some of the risk.

Another factor in my thinking is that the prime dating season is over now. Especially with Valentine's Day in the rearview...the prime selling season is Nov-Dec ish.

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Wow, I didn't expect that. But you really mean everyday at least 40 new campaigns? Is it "just" scaling or testing new things everyday?

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yea, I second this question.

Also, you must be killing off campaigns a lot. 40 *new* campaigns every day, for a month...1200 campaigns...

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try another traffic source maybe I have hit high $xxx revenue and $xxx profit just from propellerads. I also really like pushground so far.

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like wait a minute, do you count these as different campaigns?

UK-main-SMART
UK-main-TAB
UK-main-WEB
UK-adult-SMART
UK-adult-TAB
UK-adult-WEB

for a total of 6 campaigns, lets say for a single offer?

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Sorry but I won´t tell my main vertical.
It´s not such easy vertical, there are only very few good offers out there and competition is hard so I won´t make my life harder than needed

It´s not 40 completely new campaigns.
For my main offer I have the (more or less) perfect set up already so a biggest part of the campaigns are "just" for scaling.

The number of completely new campaigns varies, it depends on how many new stuff I test.

Yes, I would count them as new campaigns as well.

I personally (and probably many others as well) also use the term "campaign" for different meanings.

A campaign can be just a campaign, each new campaign in the tracker and/or trafficsource = 1 campaign.
On the other hand a campaign can also be the bigger picture, you have 1 offer or product and run it on different platforms on different bids and maybe different traffic types = 1 campaign.

Anyway, I never created separated campaigns for tablets.

But what you could do for example is

UK-main-SMART 1 day freshness
UK-main-WEB 1 day freshness
UK-adult-SMART 1 day freshness
UK-adult-WEB 1 day freshness

UK-main-SMART 1-3 days freshness
UK-main-WEB 1-3 days freshness
UK-adult-SMART 1-3 days freshness
UK-adult-WEB 1-3 days freshness

...and so on

Also test different bids to find the sweetspot.

Then when you already have enough data also create WL campaigns

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No worries, so nothing simple like sweeps I see.

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Funny that you mention it, first I wanted to write "not such an easy vertical as sweeps" but then I changed my mind so that I don´t sound like a dickhead

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And that's just his push campaigns

Imagine what he's doing on pops.

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Do people find sweeps as hard/competitive as dating? Dating does seem pretty competitve...I did give it a good try, 5 months. I really need to know if I should switch at this point.

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So in your opinion sweeps is easier than dating? Hey I don't mind feedback if it's good. My only pet peeve are bad feedback, especially from people who are jealous, have no expertise in that domain, and kinda want you to fail (if you've ever worked in a corporate environment, you know what I'm talking about)

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Usually between 100-200 campaigns live across 30 geos or so.

It may sound like a lot, but it is a continual progress, adding new campaigns and slowly scaling.

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Hard to say, but I think it can be seen easier when you consider that you have different good converting flows for sweeps.

SOI/DOI, CC submits, PIN submits, clickflow, IVR.

On dating you will mostly run SOI/DOI.
There are also good Rev Share offers (in fact many SOI/DOI offers are just brokered rev shares) as well as CC submits.
But they are not as popular for dating as leadgens.

And dating advertisers can also be very strict when it comes to quality.

Yes, it sounds like a lot but in the end you just have to do it.
The more you get used to it the faster you are.

And then it doesn´t take long to even create dozens of new campaigns per day.

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The biggest problem with dating is for me with maintaining campaign and its quality. But I believe as any other vertical, you just have to master it to know what you do. And then it's easier to scale and earn more. Learning curve on the beginning is big, in every vertical, especially if it's your beginning on AM.

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Which tiers do you mainly go about? T1, T2?
Do you go for higher payout offers or low payouts like leadgen offers are fine too?

I guess a question here is - is it possible to make 10k$/month with low payout offers?

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If you find the sweep(t)spots in UK, US, FR, DE for example it's ofcourse more possible to hit 10k/month with lead gen. Smaller geo's mean less cows to milk. So if you can handle 10 smaller geo's with high ROI it might be doable too. Depends a bit on your workrate too ofcourse.

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$10k revenue or profit?

Here you can see an offer that I ran from end of November to mid January.
It´t not $10k/month but it shows that you still can make money with low payout offers.

Profit from these campaigns was about $3.5k.
Offer payout was $0.20 first and was reduced a bit at the end.

I ran the offer in many different Geos so I could buy high volumes for cheap enough bids to make it worth it.

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I mean 10k/month profits of course.

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I hope new people study this thread and the nuggets from the Pros about how they work and launch/test so many campaigns each day. Sure they have some automation going on, but I think it provides some better perspective on what someone new should shoot for work wise to get to their financial goals.

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@twinaxe and @erikgyepes ,

Do you guys tend to run higher payout offers or lower payouts? T1 or lower? How much do you guys usually spend on a campaign (with all its variations, like user activity, mobile/desktop, etc) before killing it? @erikgyepes , out of these 100-200 campaigns spreading out across 30 geo's, how many actually different offers you have running there?

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Thank you for your post.

I think a problem that occurs more often with beginners is the expactation they have when they start affiliate marketing.
When you read online about "successful" people from the industry you mostly only read about their successes but not about the failures.

Then it´s pretty easy to get the impression that testing a campaign here and there is enough to make 6 figures a month.

Same with the profits, of course it can be easier and faster to make good profits in affiliate marketing compared to other jobs.

Nonetheless it´s no funny stroll at the beach.

I mean, let´s keep it realistic.

There are people who start in affiliate marketing and need to learn

- How to use a tracker
- How to use a trafficsource
- How to use a CPA network
- How to get info from and into these platforms to create campaigns and connect all these
- How to do research
- The technical part about setting up infrastructure, CDN, DNS and stuff
- Where to get landing pages and how to use them
- HTML/CSS/JS to edit and clean landing pages
- How to read stats and make decisions based on these results
- How to test and run campaigns without losing too much money on it
- ...and so on and so forth

In best case all these should also work without spending much money but at the same time make huge profits.

It´s always good to compare it to other jobs and how much time and money it takes when you want to learn something else that good to earn enough money to make a living from it.

There are some beginners here and there that really have what it takes to start that stuff and win big in short time.

But these are exceptions, usually it´s much better to to start with lower (and more realistic) expectations to learn all these things slow but right.

So often there are beginners (not only here) who tell how they want to make 5 figures a month in the next 90 days or so and just as often we can see these people then vanish after short time and were never seen again.

A good example is this thread and it´s in no way meant offensive towards bluehathacker at all.

But why is it important to know if it´s possible to make $10k per month profit with Push when someone started affiliate marketing just few months ago.
Learn first how to run the stuff, then have stable profits for few months and then you could ask such questions.

Every beginner who has such questions should ask himself "How many people do I personally know (family/friends) who make $10k per month profit" and next question should be "What do I have that others don´t have that it´s realistic for me to reach such numbers".

No need to start running before you learn how to walk.

Even experienced affiliates test and run many different campaigns and spend lots of money to succeed.
So why are there beginners out there who really think that it´s enough to test a campaign here and there with few hundred dollars budget to make big moolah ASAP.

Often the people who are successful are successful for a reason and vice versa.

When you want to succeed longterm it´s mostly much better to take more time to learn the stuff and work towards realistic goals that then can be reached instead of trying to manage the impossible just to be gone and forgotten then after a failed and mostly expensive try.

So before you try to make 5 figures from the start better first try to do affiliate marketing without losing money.

Next step is to learn how to profit and to scale it so that you have a good additional income.

When you are at this point you are already much further than many others and when you then can scale it further you can think about making a living from it or even more.

Again, this text is not meant to offend the threadstarter or anyone else and it´s not even meant towards anyone specific; it´s a rather general statement for beginners.

You don´t do yourself a favour when you start with unrealistic or too high expactations.

Then you build unnecessarily high pressure and are more likely to be disappointed and to fail than someone who has more realistic goals that maybe take longer but are much more likely to succeed.

I run what makes money, no matter if it´s low or high payout.

As you can see from the screenshot I run offers with payouts as low as $0.20 but I also run Crypto with up to $600 payout when there is a good offer.
Recently I also had some good CPS offers running with $40-$60 payout.

But mostly it´s in the range between $1-$20 or so.

Same as above, I run where I can make money.

But it´s mostly T1/T2, not because I have special preference for these Geos.
It´s rather because there are more offers available that are interesting for me.

There is no usually

Different targetings, volumes, bids, prices, landers, offers,traffic types...

Too many variables involved to give a universal value.

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This:

Yes, that.

Aim to break even first.

Keep things as realistic as possible.

Are there some affiliates who crush it on their first campaign? Sure. They most likely got lucky. Relying on luck is a really bad strategy for long term success though.

I have been doing this for about 8 months too, and I am still not breaking even overall, about -$5000 or so (with $33k in revenue).

But I am still here. And I am still learning.

You'll notice the same pattern of many who are still here. And still learning.

Those are usually the ones who succeed long term.

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I think that this kind of mentality comes from motivation gurus from YT who are telling people "Aim high, dream big and set big goals". And while setting big LONG-TERM goals is fine, you should know that long-term is not 2, 3 months.

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No idea how I stumbled upon this thread, but it was a good read

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I wrote this little article on goal setting in AM some time ago, let me just drop it in here: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...table-XX-first!

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I love that old post. I just finished reading it again. The “WTF this is a real business” is great

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Hehe yes, you wouldn't believe how many people with that attitude I met during the years.

Just one example out of many, my favorite maybe

There was a guy, great coder... he wrote a script that would rank adult websites, trade traffic and monetize with a banner on top. It was fully automated, so he could build dozens of such sites quickly. Within a few months, he was earning 3-4k USD profit per month. But, it wasn't a REAL business to him... so instead of building more similar sites, he decided to sell what he had and started a local webdesign "company" ... basically building simple presentation websites for local companies.

I bought the websites from him, for $4k... yup, 1 month of profit!!! He gave me the script too, so I was able to duplicate the idea and build more sites like that... after a few months, I was making about 10k a month from these.

One year later, he closed the webdesign company as it wasn't making him enough money.

I continued to run the small network for 3 or 4 more years, then the concept died.

And to make it even better, the average salary in our region at that time, was like 500 usd a month.

So the guy was sitting on a goldmine, earning X folds of what the average income was, but he left it go since it didn't feel like a real business to him... go figure

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I want to forget my horrid experience when I got started out. Yet, this and a few similar threads remind me of the scary start. I remember when nearly half a dozen experienced affiliates stopped me from committing 'hara-kiri' I got stable in a couple of months or so. Then all of us take our time to grow up/mature

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When was it?

In 2008/2009?

I remember at that time traffic trading in adult became pretty big.

No worries dude, do you know what the big difference between you and some other people is?

You were new, you asked lots of things, you wanted to make 1000 things at once.

But when you got (sometimes rough) feedback you listened to it, you took it serious and you were thankful for constructive criticism.

And alone for this you have my respect.

Other people would feel offended and would put the blame for not succeeding on the people who want to help instead of looking at themselvs first.

We have so many different users here but there´s one thing that you can be sure: We don´t want to offend or insult anyone, we are here to help and to support and sometimes it just needs some rough and clear words.

But the end goal is always to help and to get everyone running

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This was even a few years earlier, like 2002 or so... back then you could jump start a traffic trade based website just by sending a few hits to it... it was almost like perpetuum mobile

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Wow, didn´t know that it´s that long ago.

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Oh yes, the good old days of free traffic

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Is this still working (on lower level)?

I can imagine that it was working good in these times because of all the TGPs.

But I guess when tubes took over a huge part of adult traffic it also had a negative effect on traffic sharing and stuff.

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Well, people are still trading traffic, even with the tube model. The way it's done these days is that website owners list thumbnails that lead to videos on other tubes.

The standard "toplist" or "top refferer" trading is not that popular anymore, surfers are not clicking those links as much as before... but some sites are still using this method too.

Back then, it was easier to trade traffic, since everyone was "hungry" and clicked around like crazy, which is not the case anymore.

In order to grow sites this way, you need the organic SE traffic, so you have enough of your own traffic to feed the trades with. Or you need to buy it somewhere.

But yes, this model still works and there are people who manage rather big networks of websites (mostly tubes) that utilize traffic trading heavily.

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First of all, I couldn't agree more with everything that's being said here.
I think that this problem is not only in the industry, but it's a problem of our generation. We're influenced by TV more than ever, seeing "regular" people become mega-starts overnight, making loads of money.
Young men and women are aspiring to make a lot of money FAST and in reality, it's simply doesn't work that way, we're not in Hollywood.


Maintaining a successful business is hard, and keeping it successful over time is even harder. If making money was so easy all of us would probably have been millionaires a long time ago.

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