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How to setup Bemob to track registration events? (Not conversion events!) (10)


01-20-2020 05:21 PM #1 bluehathacker (Member)
How to setup Bemob to track registration events? (Not conversion events!)

Hi,

Problem: how do you track events like "email-registration" events.

This is relevant for CPS offers where the conversion event fires for a sale, but you would still want to collect conversion events for how many email SOI you got.

I'm currently digging around the tutorials, searching info

However, I'd much appreciate anybody jumping in with a quick tip or link.

If it's relevant, my affiliate network is ClickDealer.


01-21-2020 10:31 AM #2 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

When using an offer from an affiliate network, you have to rely on their conversion tracking setup. So in case they only track the sales, you wont be able to track initial registrations. You can only track what they are able to post back to your tracker. Some networks do track several conversion points even for the same offer, but it's not exactly the norm. Try to ask them whether it's possible with the given offer, but I'm afraid it won't be.

They should still be able to get the data from the advertiser, as those usually track several steps of the sales process, so you might request a report after some time... but it won't be that detailed. Depends on the deal/setup that they have with that specific advertiser.


01-21-2020 11:42 AM #3 bluehathacker (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
When using an offer from an affiliate network, you have to rely on their conversion tracking setup. So in case they only track the sales, you wont be able to track initial registrations. You can only track what they are able to post back to your tracker. Some networks do track several conversion points even for the same offer, but it's not exactly the norm. Try to ask them whether it's possible with the given offer, but I'm afraid it won't be.

They should still be able to get the data from the advertiser, as those usually track several steps of the sales process, so you might request a report after some time... but it won't be that detailed. Depends on the deal/setup that they have with that specific advertiser.
yes it *is* possible, especially if theres a description "Additional Events" in the offer page.

and in fact I have just solved it now, after hitting debug questions to my Bemob customer support and ClickDealer AM

the problem was in fact with ClickDealer! You have to turn off the "global postback" and put in a custom postback for that offer page.

then these "email registration events" gets triggered more than once

and it shows up in the tracker as a payout of $0.00 (which makes sense).

Problem solved! I could screenshot the new event with payout $0.00 but I'm lazy

I'm a little surprised, it sounds like you haven't done this before matuloo?


01-21-2020 11:04 PM #4 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by bluehathacker View Post
yes it *is* possible, especially if theres a description "Additional Events" in the offer page.

and in fact I have just solved it now, after hitting debug questions to my Bemob customer support and ClickDealer AM

the problem was in fact with ClickDealer! You have to turn off the "global postback" and put in a custom postback for that offer page.

then these "email registration events" gets triggered more than once

and it shows up in the tracker as a payout of $0.00 (which makes sense).

Problem solved! I could screenshot the new event with payout $0.00 but I'm lazy

I'm a little surprised, it sounds like you haven't done this before matuloo?
Nope, never done this indeed. 95%+ of my campaigns are lead gen, so I didnt really have the need to get a different conversion point passed to my tracker. On top of that, I'm usually testing offers on a rather large scale so I kinda need to use the global postback, I don't feel like setting postbacks for every new offer separately


01-22-2020 06:10 AM #5 bluehathacker (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
Nope, never done this indeed. 95%+ of my campaigns are lead gen, so I didnt really have the need to get a different conversion point passed to my tracker. On top of that, I'm usually testing offers on a rather large scale so I kinda need to use the global postback, I don't feel like setting postbacks for every new offer separately
ah OK. I got a question (I'm pretty newbie as you can tell and genuinely interested in learning more): why did offshore + his mentor do SOI sweeps then switch over to CCsubmits to make the traffic work?

I have tried doing CPS datingnow, looks like this experiment is bombing


01-22-2020 10:00 AM #6 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by bluehathacker View Post
ah OK. I got a question (I'm pretty newbie as you can tell and genuinely interested in learning more): why did offshore + his mentor do SOI sweeps then switch over to CCsubmits to make the traffic work?

I have tried doing CPS datingnow, looks like this experiment is bombing
CC submit sweeps tend to work better on traffic from some reason, especially in the tier-1 GEOs, it's probably the higher payout per conversion that's causing this. Some of these offers pay as much as $25+ and the conversion rate is still pretty good, so they win over the low payout $1-$2 SOIs. And with offers that pay only once an actually payment has been made, the scrubbing rate is lower since there is less risk involved for the advertisers.

The reason to start with SOIs initially, is that very similar funnels work for both the SOIs and CC subs, but with lower paying SOIs it's cheaper to run proper tests. So people start with the SOIs, fine-tune the funnel, detect the worst placements (bots, uninterested traffic) and block them ... then they switch over to CC submits.

You could do the same with dating actually, find the right funnels, block the bad traffic, then switch to PPS offers. Or with the multiple event tracking, you can optimize the funnel to receive as many SOI/DOI leads, the paid signups should follow. To be honest though, I had more success with PPL dating, there is also much bigger choice of offers on PPL compared to PPS.


01-22-2020 11:55 AM #7 bluehathacker (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
CC submit sweeps tend to work better on traffic from some reason, especially in the tier-1 GEOs, it's probably the higher payout per conversion that's causing this. Some of these offers pay as much as $25+ and the conversion rate is still pretty good, so they win over the low payout $1-$2 SOIs. And with offers that pay only once an actually payment has been made, the scrubbing rate is lower since there is less risk involved for the advertisers.

The reason to start with SOIs initially, is that very similar funnels work for both the SOIs and CC subs, but with lower paying SOIs it's cheaper to run proper tests. So people start with the SOIs, fine-tune the funnel, detect the worst placements (bots, uninterested traffic) and block them ... then they switch over to CC submits.

You could do the same with dating actually, find the right funnels, block the bad traffic, then switch to PPS offers. Or with the multiple event tracking, you can optimize the funnel to receive as many SOI/DOI leads, the paid signups should follow. To be honest though, I had more success with PPL dating, there is also much bigger choice of offers on PPL compared to PPS.
wow can you still do 7 figs with just SOI dating offers?

Don't you do other verticals besides dating? BTW, I've read like...at least 80% of your blog matuloo. I think I recall you doing other verticals now. I don't remember


01-22-2020 01:13 PM #8 twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

why did offshore + his mentor do SOI sweeps then switch over to CCsubmits to make the traffic work?
I am not sure who you mean with his mentor, if you mean me then I only coached him 1on1 in Pops but not on Push traffic.

Anyway, the reason to do so is as Matuloo already said.

Let´s compare SOI sweeps in FR or IT for example.

There we talk about payouts for SOI of about $1-$1.50 or so vs CC submit payouts of $20-$40.

The SOI and CC submit offers still run the same funnel so basically you can use all the data you have from SOI offers for CC submits.

And as SOI offers have way lower payout it´s often much cheaper to collect stats with it.

So when you then switch over to high payout CC submits you don´t have to start from scratch but you start with already somewhat "optimized" campaigns.


01-22-2020 04:21 PM #9 bluehathacker (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by twinaxe View Post
I am not sure who you mean with his mentor, if you mean me then I only coached him 1on1 in Pops but not on Push traffic.

Anyway, the reason to do so is as Matuloo already said.

Let´s compare SOI sweeps in FR or IT for example.

There we talk about payouts for SOI of about $1-$1.50 or so vs CC submit payouts of $20-$40.

The SOI and CC submit offers still run the same funnel so basically you can use all the data you have from SOI offers for CC submits.

And as SOI offers have way lower payout it´s often much cheaper to collect stats with it.

So when you then switch over to high payout CC submits you don´t have to start from scratch but you start with already somewhat "optimized" campaigns.
oh hello! Ya ya, got that part. Made a lot of sense.

However I have actually tried this same idea with CPS dating offers last 2-3 days (after running SOI dating for 4 months). Uh....it's bombing eek

Question: does this SOI=>CCSubmit approach work for dating? I guess it clearly works for sweeps, right?

Perhaps you don't know cuz you don't run dating vertical, but I'm still gonna ask it


01-22-2020 08:05 PM #10 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by bluehathacker View Post
wow can you still do 7 figs with just SOI dating offers?
7 figures in ...? A year, yes it's possible... a month, that would be a problem I mostly run DOIs though. It's a bit easier to stay on the offers in case of DOIs, the advertisers are more strict with SOIs.

Quote Originally Posted by bluehathacker View Post
Don't you do other verticals besides dating? BTW, I've read like...at least 80% of your blog matuloo. I think I recall you doing other verticals now. I don't remember
Dating is my main vertical, whenever something new emerges, I jump on it and once it cools down a bit, I go back to dating ... done that a few times already. But I promoted a lot of stuff ... app installs, adult paysites, ME, a bit of COD, carrier billing stuff, sweeps... AM is a pretty dynamic industry, so you gotta adapt


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