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Journey in the AM to profit (TO GIANT ) (31)

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hello there!
it is my first FA, I will start this FA by sending the Energy of abundance and happiness of all members (If you do not believe in these words, leave them)!
So, get it starting
in my previous experience in AM coming from Direct link for Smartlink push notification offers using PopAds traffic the type traffic is Tab-under (only chrome) it is type working very good with Adult categories, yeah this campaigns red but the positive side I can reach to 100$ profit with the remaining balance in the network and I will add the money for the next campaign. (this Campaign started 20-12-2019 to 5-1-2020) ** -yeah it is small budget Compared to the period however Step -by-Step can do -
yes, I check the 40-Days tutorial from @vortex

So the first step I did it create the AWS account and create S3 and add CDN + DNS+SSL --DONE, the server ready to uploading landing page
Action plan :
I would buy traffic from PopAds (choose the tab under type ) for Adult offers (dating, mainstream dating ...)
the offers form (Networks): Mobipium, Clickdealer, and Monetizer (I am sending for AM to ask about suggestion and Geos performance good for this type of traffic )
offers: Smartlink
Process (What IThink ) : I choose 2 landers from Amy (thanks for all you do ) and I going to add some code like Backbottom redirect, code from Monetizer (push collection) and code make LB aggressive (like Audio, alert, loops,...) so after that, I going to choose some SmartLink from networks and explain the Geos AM suggestion (I am waiting for AM receive messages because I have been sending in Weekend),
Why using Smartlink offers : I think the SmartLink can help me to identify for the best offers converted in landers I have chosen (this the first stage of the test)
Landers:


feel free to give me any suggestion ! and Is what I do it's right idea or not !?

** I'm sorry about the English language I'm not native
Thanks

AbdelRhman

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Hey Abdel,

Great step to start a FA.

Now let's work together on it to get you running.

First thing, better run single offers instead of smartlinks.

Right now I am only online on my phone.
Tomorrow when I am on my PC I will explain you why single offers are better

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Great , iam waiting the knowledge ...


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Hi Abdel! Thanks for starting this follow-along!

I'm with twinaxe - testing individual offers may be better. This is because most offers NEED a lander to convert well.

And when you're running a smartlink, you're running lots of different offers, and therefore can't use the same landing page for all.

Looking forward to seeing you progress!



Amy

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Great , i am going to test the individual offers from AM suggestions, thank you a lot


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Great numbers so far Abdel!

And yes, Twinaxe and Vortex are right, you should start running individual offers using landers.

I noticed you are using AWS to host your landers, so if it's taking too much of your time to edit and upload landers, you can signup for a free account at Landerlab.io (no CC needed).
You can practically import landing pages from Adplexity, edit them using the built-in visual editor as well as push them to your tracker with a single click.

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thanks a lot i am going to test it



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Yup, one more vote for pushing individual offers instead of smartlinks.

Smartlinks are great for remnant (leftover) traffic, they used to work really well for carrier traffic too... but in dating, it's the best to find a bunch of good offers and focus on those. You can still send backbutton or popunder traffic to smartlinks to make some extra revenue, but the core of the income should result from individual offers that you optimize the funnels for.

This way you can also benefit from possible paybumps, if the quality is there and later on, you might develop a relationship with the actual owner of the offer, which could improve your bottom line further.

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Ok, let me continue with my previous post and explain a bit why individual offers (mostly) are better than smartlinks.

For me is important that you not only know that you should run individual offers, you also shall understand why it´s better to do so.

First point is that you have much more control over your campaigns.

When you run smartlinks you (mostly) can´t really control which landers and offers are shown to the user.

So you never really know what exactly you are promoting.

That can make it a bit complicated to optimize campaigns, for example when you don´t know what landers to test.

Often the payouts in smartlinks can also vary.
This is another point that makes it more complicated to run your campaigns when you don´t know how much payout the next conversion will have.

Then you have the problem that it happens on smartlinks more often than on normal campaigns (where you control the whole funnel) that domains are flagged.
In worst case that can cause issues with the trafficsources.

Too aggressive landers in smartlinks can also get you into trouble.

In such situations you also have no control over it and can´t do anything.

And then we shouldn´t forget that often individual offers have better payouts compared to smartlinks.

Smartlinks can be a good option to monetize remnant traffic, backbutton traffic or traffic that doesn´t match your campaign targeting and won´t convert on the individual offer.

But for your main campaigns it´s better to run indiviual offers, that also helps much better to learn all the steps how to run campaigns

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Hey!

Let me add a bit...

If you run dating it makes sense to use Smartlinks (at least at the beginning), because most of them have prelanders (but not all, ask your AM about it). And in this vertical for you to have good ROI you have to test many many prelanders to choose the right one. They can look very similar, but the difference in ROI will be huge.

You always see many many dating offers in the network. For example, in one GEO can be 10-20-40 offers. Smartlinks (good ones) also have many offers in their system, but as they want to earn too, they leave the best ones. So you can be sure that offers there at least work.

With Smartlink you can test many GEOs in one time (Don't forget about 1 geo per campaign). It allows you to save your time and money.

How I do?
1) Run 10-20-30 geos with Dating Smartlinks.
2) See which countries show me at least some leads. That means this source is good for this GEOs, so we can work.
3) Try to find direct offers and run them. Copy prelanders or add some more.

Ofc, it's not so accurate, cause often Smartlinks miss good offers (advertisers don't allow to put their offers here), but for me it's better than to drown in tons of offers.

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wow... thanks for this information

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Update : starting campaign (testing )
so, Guys I was starting campaign since 2 days for TH, PT (sweeps and dating ) this offers have the requirement such as carries, device so I create the flow for this requirement and the traffic is different requirement I am going to SmartLink offers and SmartLink push collection and I add code of push collection in my lander
I have 5 lander (I put in the lander the Bots trap )

Notes: the traffic of the offers need is very limited because I create the campaign from Pop Ads with all target (in target every what I can )
the Avg.Bid (CPM)of TH is 0.41$ and PT is 0.58$ I am bid is 0.45$.
when I start a campaign I choose the format of Ads is Popunder but the next day I convert for a popup
the Offers STATS :

Notes : the Bots Trap have the 549 clicks
Bots Stats:

I think the the Website ID that have clicks and have the CTR >30 i am going to insert it for the Blacklist ? Right or i need more traffic !
ALL STATS :

The Budget of test (Avg.Offers)*10 = (0.73)*10=7.3$ I spent the 5.80$
Plan : - I will go to PopAds and edit of Target to what offers needed !
- Cut Website ID that have clicks and CTR >30 and add for Blacklist !
guys, you have any suggestion for it

** I am working slowly because I have University and I don't have a lot of time for AM and I have the budget (very limited ) BUT F***K excuses
** I am sorry about English Language

Thanks
AbdelRhman

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Hey Abdel,

I will be honest with you but that doesn´t look that good what you are doing there

It seems you put everything together in one campaign.

Different Geos, different verticals, individual offers and smartlinks, direct linking and landing pages.

It seems that you run PT and TH in one campaign as well as dating, sweeps, push subscription collection and so on.

This can confuse alot when so many different things are all mixed together and it can make it very hard to read the stats and make good decisions.

It´s better when you split that stuff into several campaigns.
This will help to have it much better sorted so that it´s easier to read the stats and to see how to optimize the campaigns.

Better would be a structure like

PT Dating
PT Sweeps

TH Dating
TH Sweeps

or so, depending on what you want to run.

How do you want to do it?

You have individual offers and smartlinks all in one campaign.

So basically you could just run without any targeting because that´s what smartlinks are made for, to convert any traffic (more or less good) that you send there.

But then a part of the traffic still would be redirected to offers that have stricter requirements.

You see, in that case it´s also better to only run similar stuff per campaign.

You can´t blacklist any placements because of bad quality at this stage.

You have so much different stuff running all together so you don´t know if the landers are not converting, if the offer is not converting, if there are no good offers and landers in the smartlink or if really the placement is bad.

My recommendation is that you forget the stuff from your screenshot and get rid of the chaos, sit down, make a plan about what you want to promote and in which Geos and then create campaigns accordingly.

Collect offers, prepare landers, set everything up in your tracker and then create clean and good structured campaigns.

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^What @twinaxe said.

Plus:

When you test so many offers at the same time, you need bigger budget for more traffic.

Otherwise, it could take MANY days/weeks to even get a rough idea which offers/landers are working, or not; and for split-tests to reach statistical significance (i.e. for you to find out what ones are winners).

When you're experienced, testing a ton of offers and landing pages is a GREAT thing (assuming you follow twinaxe's suggestions above on testing each geo and vertical etc. separately).

But in order to do that, you'll need a bigger budget (as mentioned), plus the knowledge and experience to test efficiently - i.e. you need to know:

-how to tell an offer is hopeless and stop beating a dead horse, and

-how to split-test and test for statistical significance so you can find winners.

I would suggest that you stay away from smartlinks for now. As a beginner going through the 40-day tutorial, it would be better to learn the basics first, i.e. testing offers using landing pages. Smartlinks may seem easy to set up - and they ARE - but it's not easy to reach profits if you don't know how to analyze stats and optimize campaigns.

I would further suggest to pick only one of the 2 geos - either PT or TH. That way, you can collect the most amount of stats for your budget, then spend all of the time you have (which is already pretty limited by the sound of it!) on learning EVERYTHING you can from those stats.

Also: Are most of your landers in English? If you're targeting PT and TH, the landers should be in the respective language (Portuguese / Thai). Simply rip landers that are already in those languages.

Have fun!




Amy

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new Update
thanks for @vortex and @twinaxefor information, I see I have mistakes ,when I receive the replay from Amy and twinaxe I do the new campaign for PT sweeps since 2 day iam create 3 lander (2 lander the language is Portuguese and one English lander ) and choose one offer (Sweeps - SOI -Win Iphone 11) payout= 0.72 EUR .
The Avg.Bid from PopAds = 0.00054 $ , i set-up the CPV For my campaign +20% = 0.00064 but when I finish setup i see the summarization of campaign

and , while different times the Avg.Bid go 0.0008 ,0000.7 $
the result of campaign since two days :


lander Stats :

offer Stats :

I put in lander script of Bots Trap - the stats of Bots trap (WebsiteID ) (i add the websiteID Have >50 impression and CTR>30% To Blacklist so when i was add the websiteid for blacklist i note the clicks for offers was increasing ) that is right ?

so guys what you suggest for it ?
Bid increasing? for to? (e.x CPV = 0.0008$)?
I am learning from my mistake
thanks

AbdelRhman

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Update+
After re-check of Day 30-32 from Amy tutorial (should be cut the placement after spending 2x payout so I am going to disable the exclude websiteID )

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Update : 29-30/12/2020
so, the positive side I have the 1 conversion of PT Offer (sweep) and I have 1 conversion of smart links from Black-Bottom campaign

Offer stats :

lander stats:

and i cut one WebsiteID that have 2X payout and i note i have a lot visitor at 19:00 to 21:00

now, I spent the 10X payout, so guys what your suggestion for it? stop sending traffic for the offer ? and starting for new offers?!
or add the more lander and continue for this offer?
and I Note the WebsiteID that have a lot of Bots traffic I mad Conv from it

I am waiting for the Great suggestions (now I stop this campaign )
thanks


AbdelRhman

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Hey Abdel, I reply with more details tomorrow when I am back on my PC.

Just want to let you know that I didn´t forget the thread

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thanks @twinaxe i am waiting ...

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It’s not unusual to find bot infested placements on pops, while at the same time receive conversions from these placements. Especially when targeting tier 2/3 countries.

Quite often the quality is mixes so unless you have thoroughly tested a placement, it may be premature to cut a placement based on just a few clicks.

Another thing to consider is the bid level. If I’m not wrong PopAds shows the minimum and maximum bid for your targeting criteria (been a while since last time I ran traffic over there). So, if you are bidding close to the minimum possible, then you might want to move up with your bids.

Considering that you start with a low bid, and start excluding website ids, the traffic amount may decrease, so upping it, will help you get to better placements and volume.

Since you’re running mostly smartlinks, payouts of which tend to be lower than those of particular offers. You may soon find yourself in a situation where your CPV may be way higher than EPV. So this is another reason why you might need to particular offers.

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Thanks, bro, the traffic from BackBotom Script, now the avg.A bid of PT is CPV 0.0015 iam increase the bid from 0.000648 to 0.00151 $ I test it (iam optimize the website and cut WebsiteID using Amy calculate ) i hope to have a positive result if not i am going to searching new offers
thanks

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I am with platinum, you need to increase the bid.

This has impact on volume but also on the traffic quality that you will receive.

When you bid too low you will receive lower quality traffic.
It´s important that you don´t try to save money on the wrong end.

To test a campaign I usually use a bid slightly above average.
That way you can be sure that you already receive better quality traffic but that you don´t overspend.

Exactly like this, that´s how it should be.

Great that you did it already by yourself

But you probably need to test it later again when you ahve a working funnel.

When you are still split testing landers and/or offers you can´t blacklist placements because of bad quality because in this stage you can´t tell for sure if the placement is bad or if it´s a lander or offer.

You can only cut placements because of bad quality when they don´t convert with a good working funnel.

Yes, that´s pretty normal that you have most volume from afternoon till late evening.

But better don´t care about day parting yet, concentrate on finding a good combination first.

Let´s check your stats a bit more in detail.

It shows that the real offer 0.35% CTR and the bot test has about 45%.

So what you can do is to first check the placements if there are very big placements that take most of the traffic and spend.

For new campaigns it´s always good to check for such placements and block them.
In this case you also don´t block them because they are bad, you only block them because they take too much traffic and too much from the campaign budget.

Then such placements would have too much impact on the overall campaign performance.

So it´s better to block them that you receive your traffic from many different placements where a single placement doesn´t have such big impact on the performance.

That way you can get a much better impression about the average performance.

When you don´t find such high volume placements and the traffic is good distrbuted already it´s probably better to test something else.

That´s why I never run bot tests.

Either a placement is good or it´s not.

Did you change the bid in a running test?

Because then your stats are not really meaningful when you mix different bids together in one run.

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Update : 31-1-2020

So Guys, now i think have a problem in my funnel so i am going to puse the traffic for PT offers and go to offers for TH
- I paid for PT CPV = 0.00151$ and receive the Bots (I save the WebsiteID that have Bots Traffic )
thanks for @lukeexperience of Amazing Lander
- THE POSITIVE SIDE I RECEIVE THE INVOICE FROM A Network100$ (i can test more and more ) not big

thanks

AbdelRhman

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yes, I change the bid in a running test! that is affected in traffic?

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This is something you shouldn´t do.

Then you can basically forget the test because you mixed different things together that don´t belong together.

A different bid has not only impact on the volume but also on the traffic quality.

When you then change the bids in a running test it waters the results down.

This is why I always recommend for beginners to calculate a test budget and then follow the plan.

Don´t mess around with the bids in a test, don´t suddenly drop more landers or offers in the test, don´t change random things during the test.

All such things can make the results worthless so that you could start over again.

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To elaborate on that topic...there are 2 points I'd like to make:


1)If you're running some type of split-test, e.g. split-testing multiple landers and/or offers, then the bid should NOT be changed before the split-test ends.

One of the rules of split-testing is that all the other variables (that you're not testing) need to be constant as much as possible.


(reference: https://www.searchenginewatch.com/20...eting-science/)


2)If you're NOT running a split-test, then you CAN change the bid in an active campaign.

However: Keep a "campaign journal" and record the date and time you changed the bid. This way, when you view your stats, you can see the before and after.

Example: Let's say I started a campaign on January 24th, and increased the bid by 50% on January 30th at midnight.

In this case, I should look at stats from January 24th-29th in the tracker, to see which placements are profitable or not profitable at the lower bid. Then, I should look at stats from January 30th to the present time to see which placements are profitable or not profitable at the higher bid.


Hope that's clear!



Amy

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Yes, when there are no split-tests running you can change the bid in the active campaign and it won´t mess everything up when you don´t mix different elements/targetings together in one run.

It´s also a difference if you change the bid in a running test campaign or if you change bid in a running profitable campaign.

In test campaigns it´s ok because it can´t do much damage there.
But I experienced several times that changing the bid in a running profitable campaign can destroy the whole campaign.

First a campaign was converting very good, then I increased the bid to get more traffic and suddenly the campaign went belly up.

That´s why I personally don´t change the bid in a running campaign but rather create a new campaign for the new bid

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Update : 2-3/2/2020
thanks for @twinaxe and @vortex for a lot information
so i have the 2 new offers of Sweeps SOI from Clickdealer and the result is :

the result of offers :

result of landers:

I am paid the pretty high of this geo (TH) i paid the CPV:0.001175$ AND the AVG.PAID is :0.0004$ .
I cut one WebsiteID that has bad performance and spending 3X Payout iam still running this campaign for the end of the day to collect enough data and deep Analysis and create the new Campaigns to in different Bids to find the best Spot
for this campaign that has the opportunities for good profit or not !?
any suggestion?
I will not change my Bids ever if I need change the bid I will create the new campaign

Thanks
AbdelRhman

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I need to tattoo this on my forehead or something. I have made this mistake too many times

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Before I can answer in detail I have a question to understand better how you run the campaign.

I checked the offers and one of them is for iPhone 11, the other one is for a Seven Eleven Gift Card.

So what landers do you use?
What products are shown and promoted on the landers?

Or do you just use general landers without mentioning specific prizes?

Would be great to know so that we can get a better impression about your campaign and maybe this could answer some questions then already.

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Thanks for understanding, hoping for the fast lane to success is not worth to risk so much for it.

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