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Hello, my name is Tomas, I'm a 25 years old Lithuanian dude who just wants to make some $$.
In the past I'v had a mediocre success with my online ventures , from 400$/m passive income businesses, to 10k$/m semi offline business.

The biggest issue is I can't organise my shit (which is going to be one of the goals of this journey) and I get lazy af once things start going well (passive income) starting to sabotage myself by working as a taxi driver with my BMW wasting time, money and getting into deeper depression.

Things I'm good at:
-Wasting money
- Automating websites ( I used to run thousands of social media accounts in some of my ventures)
- Figuring out how to do shit ( aka I'm good at sitting in my recliner and googling for long periods of time)
- Making my life easier by figuring out how to do everything the easy way (automation fx)
That's about it, I'm horrible at everything else ( apparently adding gifs as well)



Goals
- Launch my first campaign
- Understand what can/should be optimised
- 10$ green day
- Scaling

And most importantly doing everything in a strategic and an organised way so that I could make processes for each task, replicate the success and make a business out of it.

P.s huge thanks to Vortex and many other contributors of this forum for their enormous effor at helping newbies and spreading the knowledge, it wouldn't be possible without you!
P.s.s I will be folliwing @vortex 40 days guide and starting with popunders, even before starting I have one question regarding the initial setup, from reading the forum I got the idea that most of you are using Binom/Voluum , but there seems to be some issues with Vollum's SSL certificates?
Dedicated server+cloudflare CDN seems to be the fastest solution, but I am considering Funnelflux as well ( not sure wether their 170$ plan includes hosting or that's a separate 30$).

So yes that's the question - In your opinion what's the best combination of hosting-CDN-tracker ?
Thank you!

Tomas D.

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Good stuff! Hope you have great success man

There's pages and pages of debate about trackers on here - honestly in my opinion we affiliates are a bit spoiled for choice in that regard - so you should be able to find lots of good info reading through all those other posts, but at the end of the day you'll just have to pick one and commit to learning it - they all work (I use Thrive and am very happy with it).

No magic bullets on the organization stuff. Only advice I have is to tie it to mandatory things you do - so, say, "I am not allowed to eat breakfast until I've done x,y,z" or "I can't take a shower until after I check a,b, and c each morning". That way you just build stuff into your schedule (weird I know but it works for me).

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An offtopic question for you @mindeswx , this thread was posted 4 times, have you experienced any problems while submitting it? I deleted the other 3, as I expect this wasnt done on purpose, so if there was some issue please let me know so we can find the problem. Thanks

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I like this FA already. Sounds familiar

Humility and Humor will help you more than anything else in this business

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Well said!

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Thank's for your reply, I have decided to go with voluums annual subscription (because of their new years promotion), and I'm using a simmilar tactic to get shit done, and for rewards I chose to go drifting a little

Oh yes, that was just my inner neanderthal trying to edit the thread to make gifs work propperly (which I haven't achieved quite yet)

Always trying to stay honest, as most of us have already understood - money isn't everything in life, relationships are.


Not many updates for now, struggling with every step so far haha. I did manage to set up AWS S3 and cloudflare somehow.
Bought Voluum yearly subscription.
Subscribed to some websites which are doing push notifications, so I'm getting push ads every now and then, adding them all to a spreadsheet so I could get some inspiration and a better grasp of what other AMs are doing, working on a script to automate and scale it.

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Sounds like me, let's try to get you rockin'

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What can I say, I'm loving it so far! Haven't had these 24h+ sessions of grinding and learning sessions in a while, and It makes me feel so alive.

Will try to lay down my thoughts and achievements from last session as clearly as possible, so that you won't get lost (as much as I did).

Affiliate networks signed up for -
- mobidea ✔️
- clickdealer ❌
- gotzha ❌(denied)
- lospollos ❌
- affsub2 ✔️ (looks like it's operated by the Russians, and their dashboard doesn't have SSL)

Traffic sources signed up for -

- PopAds ✔️
- PropellerAds✔️





Chose 3 offers from mobidea-

Added mobidea as affiliate network and propellerads as traffic source to Voluum
Added postback urls right and left, completely following vortex's tutorial (still couldn't do it on my own)


Offtopic
Just now, as I'm writing this post, I have realized why Voluum isn't reporting conversions back to propellerads ( because I have specified popads as traffic source in voluum's campaing), spent way too much time trying to figure it out, I guess sometimes you just need some sleep to figure out stupid mistakes like this one





Being the impatient young man that I am I'v skimmed through the threads diving deep in how postbacks actually work and headed straight to setting up those traffic campaigns, got to burn that cash ASAP.
After a friendly chat with propellerAds support teams member Irina I was able to make my first deposit of 100$ (R.I.P) and carefuly crafted a campaign for each offer *spoiler alert It was FAR from decent*, more on that later.

Fast forward 40 minutes - I'm still eager to get that money and see those sweet conversions, refreshing the page every 5s, but campaigns haven't even started delivering (even though they are approved), I pull out my strongest debugging weapon - reach out to Irina.
Already knowing that she's dealing with one top notch professional from out past conversation she kindly agrees to check on my settings, surprise surpise - my CPM is set too low (1$ as proposed by vortex) , I then increased the CPM to 1.5$ and impressions started pouring in no time.





While keeping mobidea's window open on the second monitor I'm reading some success stories on stm, and sure enough, it has begun, the sound of mobidea's conversion, even though I heard it for the first time in my life everything was clear. That loud *ka-chiiing* indicated that there's no going back now. I had to hold myself from writing an e-book on affiliate marketing and starting a facebook group regarding my achievement. I loughed at my past self that knew nothing about AM, and there I was, having 0.7$ under my belt, made from only 4$~ ad spend thanks to some kind gentelman from Spain submiting his email.

While thinking it can't get any better than this I got another conversion from Poland! for 0.00$ but that can't be right, right? I then gave it some time before digging into voluum's stats, it turns out the conversion came from the carrier that advertiser does not accept, I accepted my losses and went to polish mobideas campaign, whitelisting only the accepted carriers.
Same thing happened to HK offer, fixed that one up as well.


Here are the results after 14$ ad spend


Still guessing why I'm getting paid 0.07$ for the Polish offer, and 0.03 for Lithuanian one? Maybe they are just subscribing to push notifications and I'm getting paid for that? Well that's the question I will be trying to answer myself today.
Also there are huge discrepencies between "visits" in mobidea(11.6k) and "impressions" in PropellerAds(27k) my guess is that I was sending traffic from unaccepted devices and they couldn't reach the offer (but how could they convert then ) I believe there are many smarter people ere hwho could answer this question.

On a side note -
One of my old skype contacs from old projects reachead out to me asking if it was me on stm, turns out he's a part of large ad buying team in Lithuania (I know right, what are the odds)
He gave me some tips and granted me his AdPlexity account so I can get out of the sandbox and start doing some real work with the landers! Shoutouts to CRG!

I have also started tracking my time to be more accountable, will try to post it every day )


Tasks for tonight-
- Figure out how to track ZoneIDs
- Rip some landers
- Optimise lander speed
- Set up tracking on landers
- Lose some more money on popads/propellerAds

I know that was a long read, pardon that it involved so much satire,sarcasm and grammatical errors. Sleep deprivation sure is getting the best out of me

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Fun read.

The visits to Mobidea are those who clicked through to the offer from your lander, that would be the impressions from propeller. Which would be giving you about a 40% CTR from your landers, which... is really good honestly. You must be doing something right

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@jaybot The thing is I'm not using landers yet, only direct linking

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Ah. Clickloss then. Common with pops (people closing a window before it opens, etc.).

Get yourself some landers and try again

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After launching my first direct linking campaign it was time to move on with landers, that's where my perfecionist/procastrinator genes started to shine.
After picking a couple offers from Mobidea ( Thailand adult SOI) I tried to check the actual offers page to choose the lander accordingly, but they are blocking proxy traffic, and paying 500$~/month for luminati is not worth at the moment. Scrolled through adplexity's landers and saves a couple that seemed the best.

Spent the rest of the night reading stm FAs and guides to absorb as much tips that can save money as possible.
Can't possibly remember everything, so here's a little notebook I'm creating for myself -
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

We are also teamping up with @jollapple to exchange experiences and do more tests!

Yesterdays productivity -


Question for today


What's wrong with India and Brazil? They have tons of volume and very low CPM . I understand that they might not have as much money as an avarage T1 user does, but entering your email costs nothing. Or is it the fact that they do convert for us, but don't make any deposits and we are getting blocked from the offer? Shine some light on this please

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Forget about it, checking the offer pages for each offer is not worth your time (or money when you use services for it).

You probably will test tons of different offers.
When you would check the offer pages from every single offer it would cost too much time already, especially when it´s only $0.30 or so payout.

When you then additionally try to create separate landers that every single offer page you would go insane before you even started.

Running sweeps? - Get some sweep landers (spinwheel, questionnaire etc.)
Running adult? - Get some adult landers (rules landers for example)
Running gambling? - Get some gambling landers (spinwheel, slot machine)

Then use the landers for many different offers.

It´s important to work effective, otherwise you will block yourself with stuff that has no big impact on your campaigns.

Be fast, test fast, test much and only spend additional energy and time on stuff that already is promising.

It´s better to test many different offers with so/so landers than trying to make the perfect lander for offers where you don´t even know if it´s worth it or not.

And when you have really good offers you can still customize landers for it.

Nice idea, but do yourself a favor and don´t hold anything back from each other.

When you want to learn together share everything so that you both can learn as fast as possible.

I know that it´s easy to be afraid to share good stuff with someone else.

But at this stage you both are at the very beginning anyway so you have nothing to lose, you can only win

And when you find a good partner for such stuff it can pay out 1000 times later.

The problem is not that entering an email costst nothing, it´s rather that there are just (almost) no SOI offers available for these Geos (I assume that we talk about SOI offers).

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Thank you for your input , will take your advice and just take action today.
That's the thing, at least from my side , I want to share everything, ideally we would run exact same landers+offers on different traffic sources , or simply have an exact same setup just split 10 landers to test so we test 5 landers each and save some cash, there's plenty of room for two newbies that's for sure!

I could be wrong here but that's what's showing up on voluums offers -

Can't wait to get accepted on clickdealer and see for myself, if those offers do exist then it should be a no brainer

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I dont want ro rain your parade but the offer you found is for UK only.

It´s just tagged wrong.

You can see it at the "/UK" in the offer name.

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Excellent advice. twinaxe is basically giving everything away lately!

The only piece of the puzzle is how to choose the thousands of offer he tests every month

Random? AM recommendations? Network newsletters? Secret underground Fight Clubs?

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Well crap, just wanted to add an image and all post got deleted, going to keep this short.



Hustle mode



After getting a kick in the but from twinaxe I settled down to just take whatever landers are available on adplexity and go from there.

It was time to pick offers and a GEO, as suggested by @vortex in the 40day tutorial I decided to take advantage of high volume and lower number of advertisers countries.
Didn't want to go blind on picking the offers either, main criterias of course was high payout and easy conversion process.
To get data on CPM and volumes I'v used https://www.popads.net/traffics/inventory and https://partners.propellerads.com/#/app/trafficChart .

This is what I ended up with by combining the data -
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...oQo/edit#gid=0
https://www.popads.net/traffics/inventory ( All Platforms, all connection types, which I later realised can have very differenct CPM)
In theory

Everything was going pretty damn well, and I could simply fetch theoretically most profitable offers


What's that? Italy with 13$ payout and 0.6CPM ? Better go to Adpropeller and bank it while it's available!
WRONG

When setting up a campaign in propellerAds it came clear that this is just too good to be true, and Recommended CPM for that campaign was actually 3$

Question - In propellerAds when changing "Connection type" from 3G to WIFI recommended CPM does not change, so how the heck are we supposed to know how much to bid?

Spent well over half an hour with propellerAds support (sorry for that Marquis) trying to figure out what those values in trafficChart actually represent


Marquis



Marquis

And the conclusion we came for this example (Mobile WIFI/Broadband)

United Kingdom 225,781 $2.302 $0.119

Country -United Kingdom
Total Impressions - 225,781 how many ads this country received (yesterday let's assume that's 24 hours)
Max CPM Rate - $2.302 ? Maybe that's the maximum bid in 24 hours
Optimal CPM Rate - $0.119 ? Maybe that's how much we should actually bid, or as PropellerAds support said "It's better to pay attention on traffic estimator"


Got accepted to expertmobi this night, and just got a message on skype from Clickdealers AM, will see how that goes

A honest question to all of you - Do you cloak pops?
Reading stm more and more it seems that everyone is cloaking, even some of the most reputable members recommend cloaking, just want to get this straight is cloaking something that everyone does but is ashamed to talk about it?

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Hey Tomas, thanks for the update.

I answer tomorrow with more details

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13h 22m work and 9h outside work.
Did I just read that you spent 22h 22m in front of a laptop?

You just beat the guy in my profile picture.

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It´s easy, Propeller Ads traffic estimator doesn´t make a difference between WiFi and carrier traffic.

So it doesn´t matter which you select, you will see the same numbers.

To get more accurate stats you need to select specific carriers, then you can see the volume for these carriers.
When you add together volume for all carriers and devide it from total volume you have WiFi volume.

What are you doing there dude?

It´s all fine to have your details and everything you need sorted.
But you should spend most of your time testing, that´s the only thing that shows you if you succeed or not.

Check out this THREAD

What you are doing is "to be in motion".
Means that you are trying to prepare everything to have a perfect start.

But to get results, to see if campaigns work or not you need to take action.

There´s no way around.

Spend time on the bare necessities and then test test test.

This will help you to make much faster progress and will also help you to get used to the whole stuff much faster so that future campaigns are much easier to run.

Don´t get me wrong, you also shouldn´t be completely unprepared and throw your money to just random stuff.
But your main goal should be testing campaigns, that´s the only way to give you results.

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Sorry for no updates , I bet you thought this mf couldn't handle it and bailed out, let me put it this way, failure is not an option.
Thanks to my wife I can concentrate on this journey as much as I am determined to succeed, and the only way of doing real work I know is sleeping in the office, pissing in bottles and taking cognition enhancing substances period



Productivity raport (although I'm positive that it's missing some data, I can't be sleeping for 10-12 hours can I?)









Thank's to @twinaxe for great thoughts, "In the motion" is a great term I can totally relate to, and at least I do catch myself doing something that seems to be work, but then I ask myself - is it really necessary? Will it help to reach my goals? And more often than not the answer is no, so that's some sort of improvement.


There were many rabbit holes I fell into during this week, and my mind was so much in the moment, trying to put this puzzle together that I can't remember exactly what I did, but here's what stuck -

- There was a lot of back and forth with being accepted on clickdealer(holidays) , then picking offers, waiting for approval again. Totally worth it though, they have a ton of offers!
- I'm going with email submits in phone giveaway niche
- My ultimate goal after learning pops is working with facebook ads, so I created a simple bot, registered some accounts, and started warming them up. It took roughly two days, and it was a rabbit hole on it's own, the level of facebook's bot protection is baffling and I'm sure I missed something, but I cought myself "in the motion" and left it as-is for now.

-Time for landers, going to adplexity was literally "Your new Iphone X is outside, come pick it up! But it's infected so make sure to download this antihackerman app!" , oh and also your neighbor want's to F*CK , so many neighbors...

- Decided to be a smartass and see what other people are using, and might not be indexed by adplexity , simply by opening propellerAds traffic distribution domains like (https://contehos.com/afu.php?zoneid=1407888 , https://deloplen.com/afu.php?zoneid=1407888) etc. some more interesting landers started showing up, but not long after.... you've guessed it - another dive deep in to rabbit hole
While checking PropellerAds domains like rtmark.net I noticed "SAMOUKALE ENTERPRISES LIMITED" which seems to be PropellerAds mother company and their (side project I guess?) was(looks like it's been inactive for a while) 'Audiencium' , enough with this spying shit, choogeet.net is what really cought my attention, some pretty damn advanced obfuscated scripts, showing up on a lot of landing pages... I investigated it for a while and noticed that the script is reporting everything to their slack servers, so I played a little bit to mess with their statisctics... and F*UCK I'm in the moment.... Sure, figuring out what the big guys are doing would be great, but there's no way I'm going to understand everything that's going on and implement it in my campaigns. moving on....

- Finally, the landers. Thanks to some friendly affiliate who forgot to set permissions on his web hosting folders I was able to get about 20 landing pages for phones vertical, but most of them were pretty similar, so I kept 8.

- Every. freaking. file. has backdoors , maybe I was just lured to a honeypot, and that 'friendly affiliate who forgot to set permissions' was Michail Tarachovskij from st. Petersburg just infecting the files and silently waiting for unsuspecting victims and enjoying free traffic from them? Paranoia101 kicks in, going through every CSS file, decoding every base64 , hex editing every picture for malicious code.

- Registered to monetizer, got my push collection url ready, added backbutton, antibot scripts etc. to the landers.

- My landers are in english, and I want to start promoting in T2/T3 countries, so it's time for translations, and I do like preparing stuff for later, so why not prepare every page for translation to any language?

Just replace the text we want to translate with a variable, and paste it to sheets, so then translators can work easier.



With a couple of friendly Indians from fiverr all landers were prepared in no time(today I learned that it's impossible to regex HTML code) , and then one idea came that using google translate would be interesting, you know, for science.

Just adding =GOOGLETRANSLATE($A3,"en","zh") to the column, and voilia! Our text is translated to Chinese!
$A3 = input text
"en" = source language
"zh" = language we want to translate to

With a little creativity and greatest automation tool for noobs zennoposter we can quickly generate a lot of shitty translated landers hurray!
By no means that it's prone to errors, you have to check every english word, and make sure it's not going to be out of context when translated , for example Apple , we know it's iphone on the lander, but google translate doesn't, especially when translating single words,


https://ttprivatenew.s3.amazonaws.co...0-10-59-05.mp4
There's a few tricks and twists to make it work, if anyone would be interested, do let me know so I could prepare the template to use for others.


That's it for now boys and girls, long story short, no I still haven't started a campaign, but I can already smell it!
To be continued

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Hey there,

for landers don´t make it overly complicated.

In the end you get almost everything you need on Adplexity.

Different landers in different languages ready to download.

They also often are not 100% perfect translated but when they run for some time already and received lots of volume you can more or less be sure that they work.

For landers I wouldn´t rely on G translate, it´s just not good enough.
Especially when you translate to some more exotic languages (where you can´t even control the quality of the translation).

So for landers better use Adplexity and when you have a winning lander that is doing very good already and you want an even better translation then better use services like One Hour Translation.

Just recently I also played around with Zennoposter again after long break.

It´s a great tool in my opinion, the RegEx builder alone is worth a mint.

I also think about posting a bit about using Zenno for the daily affiliate stuff here.

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Geez man. You're chasing your tail here. Entertaining af to read, but painful to watch at the same time.

You don't need to know how every single part of a light bulb works to turn on the light switch.

Just turn on the lights and see if it works or not.

If not, change the bulb.

If it still doesn't work, then you can look at the wiring.

If the wiring is fucked up, then you can start looking at the building schematics.

Etc.

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Amen to that.

As I said before, dont waste your time.

There´s only ONE way to learn how to run campaigns: To run campaigns

And you only waste time when you try to make everything perfect from the start (before you even know if the stuff works or not).

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It's happening!
Aaand I got stuck.
Thank you for reading, and being here with me in this chaos!
I just really like preparing for long term and honestly I'm just terrified of failing, that's how I am in real life as well, can't fight with that but that's where I thrive. Being under pressure not to fail is what keeps me going.

Anyyyhow, got my landers translated to Spanish, and the template really paid off , paid 5$ to some guy on fiverr to proofread the google translated text, and just with a few clicks my perfectly translated landers were ready yay!
Triple checked everything, and uploaded to aws, added all offers and landers to Voluum, and headed straight to creating a campaign, but here's the thing-

I followed this guide to add anti-bot thingy - https://blog.theoptimizer.io/610/how...-using-voluum/
So in my landers I have :
- www.tracker.com/click/1 - normal button to detect bots
- www.tarcker.com/click/2 - js button for real people

And in Voluum I'm trying to create a campaign that would have 9 landers, and 8 offers . But as it turns out if you want to rotate offers you should only use www.tracker.com/click
Out of ideas here, send help

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But always keep in your mind, you only know if you fail or not when you try.

And what you describe is often not only to be terrified to fail but also be terrified to succeed.
Sounds stupid but happens pretty often

In the end it´s both the same, being terrified about what happens so you better work on everything forever and try to make everything perfect but you never really start.

Again, being in motion vs taking action.

You want to give you the feeling to do something but you are afraid to really start.

But the truth is, there is no way around it.

Sorry, I don´t use Voluum myself so can´t say more about it.
I also don´t use and bot detections.

But let me tag @Voluum here so that they can answer your questions about it.

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Hey Tomas, great follow along mate!

Keep us updated so we can chime in with advice and also keep you accountable

One small tip, if you are having trouble with landers / servers etc, use landerlab.io , it's free for now and they will clean your landers from malicious js for free.

Plus you can import landing pages from AdPlexity to LanderLab with one click by clicking "Import to LanderLab" on AdPlexity.

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Thank you for support, and landerlab seems like a great tool, wil def try it out in the future!
Without further ado let's take a look at my first results!



Which a far from great hahaha, let's try to break down and figure out why, and try to improve it!


I made 3 campaigns - Desktop, mobile Wifi and mobile 3G
Mobile Wifi traffic turned out the be the cheapest, and got us a lead!



Here are the PropellerAds stats -

I am running smart CPM, and struggling a lot with setting a propper CPM rate, but more on that later..





Landers for 3G -

After about 400 visits I decided to take landers with less than 2% CTR out of rotation.




Landers for Desktop
After about 1K visits I decided leave only 2 landers which had the highest CTR




Landers for mobile Wifi
After about 2K visits I left only 1 left lander 9 (which was performing the best across all 3 campaigns) with 90% of the traffic.



Interestingly enough lander getting the conversion was lp7 (with 17 clicks only!) and not the 'highest CTR' lp9 , I guess people just like clicking on it, but not converting , it's the spinning wheel type.


The thing is , this is a numbers game, but when you don't know where to get the right numbers it's all over before you even begin.
Here's what I'm talking about, stats from PropellerAds traffic estimator :

Total impressions 1.5M~ both , traffic from germany is 3 times more expensive.




75K~ total traffic for Mobile 3G. prices are almost the same for Germany and Spain





100K total impressions for both, Spain is 15x cheaper and total impressions don't add up at all.




Now I have talked about this with PropellerAds support, and in the end they just told me - Ignore the Traffic Chart, and focus on the "Traffic estimator" recommended CPM when creating a campaign, but I honestly want to understand how the heck does it work, and IF it's accurate.


Recommended CPM for Spain Mobile 3G 4$






Recommended CPM for Spain Mobile wifi 4$



Recommended CPM for Spain Desktop, also 4$ !




Remember that mobile Wifi test 2?
It's running 3 best performing landers, and mainly 1 offer that converted once, I only whitelisted 20 zones that had best CTR and guess what it's working indeed!


I'm pretty damn happy with myself, and that I was able to create a campaign that actually went green! I choose to ignore the fact that 30$+ had to be spent in order to find the zones hahah, once again ,thank you for support! Knowledge on this forum is top notch.
Going to sleep now, and I hope to waking up to a lot more of that green!
Mood -
https://www.youtube.com/embed/UXkejfUDnEg?start=110

• So, is Spain's 3G mobile traffic really as expensive as germany's?
• Is mobile Wifi CPM the same as mobile 3G?
• Do we use the Traffic chart , the traffic estimator, a little bit of both, or is it all magic?

Thank you!

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Great tip, didn´t know the service.

When running SOI/DOI I would start only with mobile WiFi.

Reason is that you don´t need to run as much as possible in the beginning.
You only need to run a test to see if it´s worth it or not.

Then you basically have three options, Desktop traffic, Mobile WiFi and Mobile carrier traffic.

From all these mobile WiFi often is the best match because there´s (mostly) more volume than desktop and carrier traffic.
It´s also cheaper than carrier.

Just to check if a campaign is working or not you don´t need to run everything you can.

I like to work as effective as possible.

So instead of the 3 campaigns you created I would only create 1 campaign for testing.

That will save time and money that you both can use for testing more stuff then.

When you see that the campaign is successfull you still can test on desktop and carrier to get more volume.

But when you only test to find a working combination your focus shouldn´t be on getting maximum volume, your focus should be on finding a working combination as fast as possible with spending as less as possible.

You should never cut landers only by CTR, only cut them when they are not performing good.
CTR is just a number and is not necessarily directly connected to the money the lander can make.

A lander with 60% CTR but no conversions won´t help you at all.
But a lander with 1-2% CTR and 30% CR can be really good.

Same here, you can´t cut landers and keep other running only by CTR.
And 1k visits on Pops is not enough to judge anything.

How do you decide that the lander was performing best?

In the "Landers for mobile Wifi" screenshot LP 7 has one conversion.

That´s the only conversion in these 3 campaigns, so is this the lander that´s performing best for you?

Again, how do you decide that one lander was performing best by only 1 conversion in three campaigns with 9 landers?

No, it´s not accurate.

It´s not accurate on Propeller and it´s not accurate on any other platform with a traffic estimator.

There are running millions and millions of bids and impressions through the system each any every day.

It´s impossible to show accurate number there, that´s why they only are estimators.

I also never use the traffic chart and only use the traffic estimator on campaign setup.

I create my campaign, set my targeting and then click in the bid field.

Then you see the recommended bid, use that bid and just a bit higher.

It´s good that you want to understand everything but at the same time it will keep you away from just starting your stuff.

You will learn most when you run campaigns.

Try not to get distracted too much before you even really start.

As you already said yourself

I know it a bit from myself, I also can get lost in many different details that have next to no impact on my campaigns, I can also get lost in trying to get as many info as possible about whatever, I can also get lost in trying to understand everything no matter if it´s important or not.

But the only thing that happens is that such stuff keeps you away from the really important things = testing and running campaigns.

I can´t tell it often enough, try to keep your stuff as simple as possible, don´t overcomplicate and try to develop a simple and effective workflow.

The successful people are not the ones who understand everything and make everything perfect from the beginning.

The successful people are the ones who have an effective workflow and who test lots and lots of things.

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Thank you for your insights @twinaxe ! In one of the FAs vortex recommended to split test between desktop/mobile 3G/mobile wifi , that's why I did it
Will run tests on mobile wifi from now on!
And thank you for clarifications regarding optimal CPM rate, will set it to whatever is recommended on traffic estimator, rather on traffic chart.

I can already see quite clearly that CTR is not the main criteria for a good landing page, one of my landers (the spinning wheel) has 6X more CTR , but 0 conversions (out of two).
The only reason I am trying to optimise based on it - I don't have enough conversions data.
After spending 35$ I got 60k clicks and 1 conversion, so I started cuttin zones (again based on CTR) and landers (based on CTR).

Would you recommend just spending more on mobile wifi to get more conversions and optimise on that?

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So much awesome info in this thread already.

For dealing with landers, CTR v. CR, etc. you should really try to make use of Voluum's AI thing, it works pretty well once you have it set up. You'll need to create a flow instead of a path, but other than that, it's easy to setup.

Everything twinaxe said is great, I only have one nagging question:

Wifi only? I've found that the difference in price between mobile Wifi only versus going broad Wifi+3G is the same and you can get cheaper 3G this way. But maybe I'm missing something? I should test, but I figure you've done that already. :P

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Testing desktop vs. mobile, 3g vs. wifi, or not, is a matter of preference. There's no right/wrong way to do it.

But in the beginning, before you know whether an offer even converts or not, it would be enough to just test one device / connection, if you want to save on budget.

If an offer accepts both wifi and 3g:

-If the offer has a simpler conversion flow for 3g (i.e. 1-click or 2-click) compared to wifi, then I would test 3g. Reason: If offer doesn't convert for 3g, it won't likely convert for wifi.

-If the offer has the same conversion flow for 3g and wifi, I would test wifi. Reason: Testing would be faster because there's more wifi traffic, and wifi traffic is cheaper.

If an offer accepts desktop and mobile, I would usually test mobile first, mainly because there is more room for optimization due to there being more traffic segments such as phone vs. tablet, brands and models, mobile carrier. But sometimes I would test both (especially if the AM tells me it converts well on both).

Indeed, CTR should not be a criterion for cutting landers. When there is a lack of conversion data, it either means a)you haven't run enough traffic (in which case you should run more traffic), b)there isn't enough traffic available (in which case you should either raise your bid to see if you can get more, or just run in another geo or traffic source), or c)the lander+offer combo just doesn't convert (in which case you should test other offers and/or landers).

The only exception to the "don't cut based on CTR" rule, when it comes to landers and offers, is if the CTR is so abysmally low that it would require an impossibly high conversion rate in order to break even.

For example, if the rest of your landers are doing 20% CTR and you see one lander doing 0.5% CTR, then you don't need to wait for conversion data before cutting the latter.

$35 ad spend and 1 conversion: If you're confident that you're using landers that are popular (that have received a lot of traffic according to spy tool) AND that you've optimized them properly (for functionality, speed, display), and you're bidding average, then if you run 10x payout in ad spend and only got 0 or 1 conversion, I would suggest to just ditch the offer.

Focus on testing landers and offers first, until you get decent ROI (usually -50% ROI or better), THEN focus on cutting unprofitable traffic/segments such as placements.

Trying to skimp on testing landers and offers, and instead depending on cutting placements etc. to get to profitability, has 2 disadvantages: a)It's costly to have to cut so much, and b)after the aggressive cutting you'd have hardly anything left to make money from.

Generally: Testing more landers and offers (especially offers) has the potential of increasing ROI by greater degrees, whereas cutting each placement usually increases ROI by lesser degrees. Therefore, it would be wise to focus on the former first, before doing the latter.

Fantastic follow-along @mindeswx! With @twinaxe's guidance you're in very good hands. I look forward to following your progress.



Amy

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Yes, I also recommend to split test between these options.

But I only test all of these when I already know that a campaign is working.

Before you need to find out if it´s worth it or not.

And for this you don´t need to run all targeting options, to see if there is potential or not it´s enough to test only one of the possible traffic options that the offer allows.

Amy explained it pretty good above how to check what makes most sense to test first.

You are absolutely right with it that you can receive cheaper 3g compared to only buying 3g.

But in this stage it´s not about scaling or maximum volume, it´s only about finding a working combination ASAP.

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Thank you for the feedback, re-reading your posts a couple of times ahaha
As you might have already noticed my screenshots are from binom now, yes! I did have to move away from Voluum.
I have purchased their annual discover plan, but the functionality is just too limited, I can't even use the 'drilldown report' which is necessary , also I wanted to export the traffic log to display it on my visualization solution, but it's only available from 450$/m plan.

Moving everything to binom in literally under an hour, just had to order a cloud server, their staff did the setup, sent me over the login details, and I used the "import from Voluum" feature. On a 20$/month vps it already feels faster than voluum, and their interface is very intuitive, don't want to be bias here but everything just feels in place.


So yesterday the campaign that got us 1 conversion and went greed turned out pretty good earning 4.5$ with 15$ spend



So today I dublicated the camp, and added a couple more zones to the whitelist, ran it and CPM turned out to

Was it because someone was bidding very high on those newly added zones?





Also, it's pretty nice that monetizer is helping me cutting my losses here, only have the subscribtion on backbutton, but thinking about adding their code to the landers as well.





Monetizer keeps suprising me, already at 5$ today

On other news , I'm still very much 'in motion' ahaha creating some statistics from binoms clicklog , but it's revealing some interesting data which might help increasing the ROI! Let's take a look -




I noticed that I'm paying for some dudes/gals who's just chillin' in Ibiza, Alicante and some other islands of spain, will have to cut those cities, or at least redirect based on browser language )
Also, one of the referring domains "dolohen.com", has very low CTR compared to others ( yes, yes, I'm still messing around with CTR it's for science, so it's OK) Is there a way to cut buying traffic from it?

Everything else seems normal )

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How do you decide if you run a placement in a WL campaign?

What are the metrics you use for it?

You have set your bis to $2 SmartCPM so everything up to $2 is normal.

So $1.7 is absolutely in a normal range.

In whitelist campaigns you mostly pay more because you only bid on specific placements.

You don´t receive traffic from all placements so the cheap placements can´t keep the bid down.

I will be brutally honest with you but such stats are neither interesting nor will they help you to increase your ROI.

Well, maybe they can increase the ROI but then the price is much lower volume that mostly results in lower pfrofit.

ALWAYS run your campaogns for maximum profit and NOT for maximum ROI.

And when you have to optimize Pop campaigns by cities or such stuff they are no winners.

Do yourself a favour and take more action instead of being in motion.

Otherwise you waste too much time with stuff that has no or only very littly impact on your campaigns.

You can do such stuff when you have finished your daily work and have time for it.

But you should priorize your daily tasks.

First finish the tasks that have biggest impact on your campaigns.

This would be things like testing new campaigns or testing new offers.

Then optimize running campaigns.

But checking for cities that are good or bad is something I personally never did and probably won´t ever do because it´s not worth it (at least for the stuff that I run).

No, there is no way to cut them.

Also don´t spend too much time on it.

These are just redirect domains from Propeller and are not really connected to specific placements.

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Hey mindeswx

We don't have a native solution for it just yet. But supporting rotating offers for multi-offers click URLs is in our pipeline and I added your feedback on it too.

If it's essential for your campaign flow, there is a workaround. You can create a secondary campaign with all offers you want to rotate under a specific click URL and upload its campaign URL as an offer URL in your primary campaign. You can reach out to me on Skype (my Skype ID is live:karolina.gaik_2) if you need help with it.
Edit: Depending on your flow there's also another option: rotating not offers but paths. You create paths with the same lander but different sets of offers, set the same weight for each and let them rotate. The minus is that for this setup you need to create a path for every rotation possibility which can be a lot if you have many landers, many offers and many CTA buttons. On the plus side, it'll all stay under 1 campaign.


Karolina

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Thank's for everyone's time and input , and especially twinaxe, trust me, I know how stupid all the newbies FAs look, and how hard it is to controll yourself when you know we are doing this stupid shit so kudos to you for the patience!


For some reason I thought that splitting some traffic to losing offers/landers was a good idea, don't ask why , now that I'm looking at the stats and I'm realising that there is no statistical significance whatsoever makes me feel so retarded.

However, I was running 2 offers 50/50 traffic , but one of them converted 6 times, and the other one just two.
It turns out the losing offer is to win an Iphone and the winning one is to win a samsung, will go with samsung from now on.


Offers -



Landers -


PropellerAds-



Right now the idea is to cut the zones when they reach 1$~ (offer payout is 0.9$) , and possibly re-activate those zones later on to let them test for 2X offer payout.
Or is that too aggresive and I should let them spend 1.8$?

Slept through one zone spending 3$+ my bad )

So, right now we have a winning offer, a winning lander, and all I can think of is blacklisting zones , but at the moment we are at -80% ROI is there any way I'm getting this to green just by cutting zones, or the offer simply sucks in your opinion?

Also, like Vortex suggested I have tried to create a whitelist only campaign , only adding the zones that brought 2 conversions from all prior campaigns. This time it was -100% ROI at 10$ spend , pretty strange huh



Okay, something strange now. I decided to check the offers by manually completing them, in order to convert user must
- Enter phone number, name and full address
- Answer to 2 questions - "when do you pay your car ensurance" and "when do you pay your home ensurance"
- confirm the email That get's to a spam box, and after removing it from spam box it goes to the "ads" tab
My conversion never came through as a matter of fact

It sure looks like advertisers are doing everything to make it impossible to convert
Offer on clickdealer -
(72667) [WEB+MOB] IPHONE X NEW V2 /ES - SOI - CPA - $0.90
Doesn't look SOI to me, are all ofers like that or should I look for a better one(s)?
I have applied to all Iphone/Android offers on CD , and this one converted the best Clickdealer is the largest network that I am currently a part of , but there isn't so many offers for iphone/android for Spain , is it because of the country or it's the network ? So many questions today... Just angrily throwing money with hopes of it getting better ) might be just beating a dead horse here.

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Ah.

This is common with 3G+Wifi offers. If user is on 3G on the offers target carrier network, it's a simple SOI opt-in with maybe a pin submit. Much easier to convert. If user is on Wifi or other network that isn't the offer's target (so same as Wifi), they will get a DOI, super backflip, jump through flaming hoops while wearing high heels and a blindfold bullshit just to convert.

In this case, it's a really good idea to split your test into 3G only (and check if it's only certain carriers) and compare conversions to the Wifi. 3G usually destroys it, but is much higher to bid for.

That being said, that offer in ES is not bad. I've run it before

It just needs some decent landers, a good blacklist for ES, and love.

I'm still short ES blacklists and love, so I dropped it.

ES is not the easiest geo to run in but if you stick with it, I'm sure you'll find something eventually.

But there are easier geos. You may want to look into Eastern Europe (HU, CZ, PL, etc.)

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No worries, I have nerves of steel

But seriously, I personally really enjoy working with beginners.

Yes, it can be frustrating when you have to explain the same thing the 1001st time or when someone just doesn´t understand what you say.

Nontheless I also try to learn from the stuff myself.

You know, I am doing affiliate marketing for 15 years now and in that time I definitely developed my own style and workflow how to run these things.

But sometimes I also feel that this gets me in some kind of tunnel view or so.

In the first years when much stuff was also new for me I was much more creative sometimes and tested just random stuff because I didn´t know better.

And working with beginners sometimes reminds me that everything I do each day more or less automatically is still very new for others and stuff that I don´t even think about anymore is still very interesting and helpful for beginners.

So all in all I have to say that I prefer 1000x to work with beginners than with highly successful people because it also reminds that we all started somewhere.
That also helps to stay down to earth and not too out of touch with reality

Also for me it´s a million times nicer to see a beginner who makes his first $10 profit day instead of a rich businessman who makes his first $XXX.XXX day or month or whatever.

Such stuff happens, important is that you learn from it.

It depends, when you still test your funnel better spend a bit more and test later again when you have a really good working combination of lander and offer.

When you already have a good converting funnel I wouldn´t spend more than 1-1.5 times offer payout, in the end you want to run on profit and not on loss.

Of course you could get it green just by cutting zones.

But then you need to check if there´s enough traffic left after blacklisting.

If yes, run it.
If not, test something else.

In high volume Geos you often have the situation that you first start with very low ROI and that you need to blacklist quite a bit.

The question is always, is it worth it or not.

When you have to blacklist too many placements that there is not enough volume left then your funnel isn´t good enough.

When you have to blacklist quite a bit and then you see a big increase in performance with enough traffic left then it´s worth it.

Sometimes you also have a few big placements that are accountable for a big part of the spend but that dont convert.
Then it´s often enough to block them and run the campaigns.

Generally you can say it´s best when the biggest placements are already profitable.
When you have to blacklist the biggest placements you need to have enough profitable medium placements left.

When you have to kill too many big and medium placements then the campaign is no winner.

And when I check your screens it seems that you already spent quite a bit on the offer and it doesn´t convert enough.
So even when you blacklist many more zones now then the offer would have to convert much better than it does now.

Unluckily miracles don´t happen often so better move on and test something else.

For whitelist campaigns I personally prefer to use placements with at least 5 conversions or more.

The more comversions, the more confidence that the placements show stable performance.

Also when you run the campaign for some time already and have enough profitable placements you can sort them by EPC and create whitelist campaigns from placements with similar EPC and set the bids accordingly.

Indeed it sounds strange.

For my understanding SOI is

- User goes to offer
- User fills form
- User clicks submit button = Conversion

When you have to confirm the email it should be DOI.

For a normal leadgen SOI usually it should be just the form submit.

But I checked the offer myself and there is one thing



Maybe this is a mistake in the description, maybe this is the reason for the bad performance.

Although it doesn´t make sense in my opinion because the offer also accepts desktop traffic and stuff.

Anyway, stop the offer and test something else

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Thanks a lot bro...This is really very useful tip. I will definitely apply these pointers going forward

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@twinaxe is fantastic and has answered every question already.

I'm just wanting to emphasize the importance of making offer testing a top priority.

Generally speaking, there are 3 elements you can optimize:

-Test offers to find a better one.

-Test landers to find a better one.

-Increase the quality of traffic (for example by cutting unprofitable traffic).

Testing offers and landers are often WAY cheaper than cutting placements etc., AND has the potential to increase ROI faster and by higher percentages.

So, please don't try to cut from -80% ROI all the way to +30%. Chances are, not only would it be an expensive process, but you also won't have much traffic left by time you're done.

Instead, focus on finding a good lander first because that's the easiest part - just rip the most popular landers that have received the most traffic and split test those to find a winner. (In order to split-test landers, you'll need to find an offer that converts semi-decent to NOT lose too much money in the process.)

Then, use that lander to test every offer you can find, that's suitable for that lander.

I like to get to -50% ROI or better before focusing on cutting. But if I'm running in a big competitive geo (e.g. US), I may need to start cutting at a lower ROI - just because there may not be an offer out there currently that can do better, and profits can ONLY be achieved after extensive cutting.

But even in that case, you can bet your last dollar that I would test every offer I could get my hands on, from at least 3-5+ good networks, before I would resort to focusing on cutting.

By testing even one more offer, I could potentially double the ROI. Whereas by spending 2x payout on cutting that next placement, I may only improve the ROI by a fraction of a percent.

In other words: Focus on the big stuff first, then fine-tune by sweating the small stuff.

Hope that helps!



Amy

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My Idea was to collect profitable zones with SOI offers and then use those for CC submits for Spain.
The big mistake I made was picking Spain in the first place , ignoring the fact that everyone said start from the cheapest geos , I just picked Spain because it looked cheap plain ignoring the numbers. Lesson learned.

Moved to Egypt and I'm loving it!
Took all offers for Egypt that accept wifi traffic from monetizer and started direct linking campaign and found one clear winner


ROI was about -70% for it, but just after cutting a couple of zones and excluding android 9 it's rocking -30% which is pretty damn good compared to my prior results!
And most importantly I'm not staring at 10 conversions data after 200$ spend like with Spain.
I am starting to realise that every metric is basically BS and ROI is the only thing that matters CR can be anything CTR can be anything, CPM can be anything, just get that ROI!




Payout for this offer is 0.16$ for PIN submit, which seems pretty low even for Egypt, but it's converting great.
Found almost identical offer on ClickDealer, but it only accepts 2 carriers, then I created a separate campaign on PropellerAds buying WIFI+3G routing all wifi traffic to monetizer offer and 2 carriers to CD offer, but after 10$ spend on CD offer it did not convert once.

Tested 6 more offers from CD but none of them converted nearly as good as the monetizer offer.

Scrambling up landers now and hopefuly they help to increase ROI by 30% leaving us with 0% ROI, which is my current milestone.
Also, signed up to a bunch of other networks, will make a list tomorrow of the ones I'm already accepted to, I'm starting to see the importance of testing the offers now.




Questions :
- It's not the first time I'm seeing Android 9 performing really bad, and there I have checked the zones, there's not one zone that's just sending LQ traffic. Can't find any correlation between Android 9 and anything else so I'm just blocking it for now even though It's the most popular OS version, is that a thing or am I missing something?



Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who's sticking with me on this journey, it honestly means A LOT.
I would consider myself being a lazy ass, but not this time. You are either going to witness me 'making it' or going mental, eithery way you have my word - It's going to be entertaining. Cheers!

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Also collecting stats from SOI for CC submits only makes sense when there are good CC submits available for the geo you run.

WRONG WRONG WRONG

Yes, running at high ROI is great, but in the end the only thing that matters is the profit.

Here is an example:

You run a campaign with $50 spend per day at 100% ROI = $50 profit per day.
Then you want to scale and you spend $200 per day on the campaign but your ROI goes down to 50%.
In that situation your ROI is only half but your profit is $100.

So you see, ROI isn´t that important, at the end of the day it´s only the profit that counts.

And often you have to run on lower ROI when you want to scale.

Then you have to sacrifice a part of your ROI so that you can afford to run more competitive bids, to buy more traffic, to get more volume.

But when you get enough additional traffic that results in enough additional conversions than oftenh a lower ROI but higher volume will get you more profit.

Your best campaign is a WiFi campaign for a PIN submit offer.

Definitely test it on 3G traffic, mostly PIN submits convert better on carrier traffic than on WiFi.

In just checked some campaigns and I don´t see that Android 9 is performing bad.

Do you see the issue only in specific geos or so?
Or do you have low performance for Android 9 in all of your campaigns?

Also how big is the data set you use for that obervation?

Big thanks back to you, when I remember your first posts in this FA that were entertaining and compare them to know I can feel that you are much more serious about the work now.

Of course it should be fun to do affiliate marketing, otherwise you couldn´t do it for long anyway.

But in the end it´s still work so we should treat it at least a bit like that

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I used to think this too when I first started out. It's a bit of an optical illusion.

The reality is, Android 9 performs the worst usually because that's where the majority of the traffic is coming from.

You'll see the same thing when looking at stats for huge placements (most geos have 2-5 placements which are the majority of traffic and will flood you with it, making those zones look bad).

Smaller placements with less traffic look like they are performing well because they are a smaller sample size.

Usually the same for OS versions (some random geo's may not apply).

This is easier to explain visually with some random stats:

Doing shitty:


notice the visits and conversions are way higher for Android 9, but the profit is not good.


Doing OK:



notice the lower OS versions look to be crushing it now, but...


When doing well:



it gets inverted. That's the goal.

So most of the time, it's a combo of shit offer/placements/landers/whatever, and not the OS version itself.

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^This!

Thanks @jaybot for those screenshots! What a perfect example.

Another, related thing to note, is that many of the variables are related.

And when you blacklist one variable, it will have impact on all other variables.

Example: When you cut an OS that has a low ROI, many/all placements will convert better.

This is why sometimes, it would be better to cut just one thing, then observe results before deciding to cut more.

And deciding on how much traffic to cut is important as well. If ROI is very negative and I'm bleeding out the backside, I would pick larger traffic segments to blacklist to curb the spending (at least temporarily while testing offers/landers - can alwasy retest those segments later). But if ROI isn't too bad, I would just cut gently - usually by sticking with placements.

Another thing I like to do is start by cutting the lowest-ROI taffic segment that is responsible for more than a trifle amount of traffic (if percentage of total traffic is too small, cutting it wouldn't make an impact), then go from there.

Campaign optimization is an art, and everybody does it differently. That's part of what makes running campaigns so interesting.



Amy

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Prepared 9 landers and to my surprise direct linking was still doing the best
All landers were pretty whitehat, greyhat at most.


-22% ROI for direct linking seemed pretty damn good, so I decided to run one campaign with only that what works, that's WIFI+direct only.
Aaand we are back to -50% and It's not like there's one zone that's eating up all the budget, for some reason all zones are just performing worse.



as twinaxe has suggested I also tested it on 3G only



-37% ROI which is not too bad, since we are getting quite a lot of conversions already.
I will try wifi+3G campaign now, and see how that goes.
Will try to simply cut bad performing zones to reach 0% ROI so I would at least get profit from collecting push subscribers.

Still can't get accepted to advidi and gotzha, will take look for promising offers on other networks and get moving with those!


Still reading STM a ton , and especially wakeboarders scaling project was a huge inspiration, I mean how can you not admire such dedication to a project? If you are reding this, best of luck to you and your team, you're crushing it, doesn't matter if you still aren't making millions, in my (and I think many of our) eyes you did it!

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Yes, such stuff can happen.

That´s why it´s always good to test and not run campaigns just based on assumptions.

What kind of offer is it, does it have an inbuilt prelander already?

Same as above, such stuff can happen.

When I look at your screen it seems that you are running very low payouts like $0.12 or so.

Such offers will only be worth it when they convert very good.

The possible profit margin is too low to run such offers when they don´t convert good enough.

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You're right, it was a 0.16$ payout offer , the problem is - there's not a lot offers for egypt on the networks that I am working with, only monetizer has some , and this one was performing the best.

Started another campaign (phone giveaways) for Singapore , the problem is there's not enough traffic on propellerAds , even though traffic estimator said "Estimated impressions: 277,200" I was barely able to get 17K impressions in 24 hours using recommended CPM. No blacklisted zones, I'm only using Mobile, Android filters. So it's pretty strange. I'm only targeting WIFI for now.

Managed to get two conversions on separate offers, I have stopped other offers for now, to see which landers work better.
Would you suggest to just run more traffic to all offers to get at least two conversions and avoid the 'lottery conversions' or pick a couple of best converting landers at this point?

Also will probably start one campaign wifi+3G to see if there's more volume, looks like I'm on to something this time hahah

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Holy moly,

This is really landing page overkill.

For first tests I would use way less landers.

You have 17 different landers, that´s too many.

When you start a new campaign where you didn´t test for best lander or offer yet it´s better to start with less landers.
Otherwise you probably go broke after 3 campaigns when you test that many landers each time and let it run for enough time.

In this stage it´s not about finding the perfect setup, in this stage it´s about finding a working combination that is worth to optimize and to scale.

And for this it´s not important to test all landers on earth, it´s enough when you just take few landers that have different style.

You are running sweeps so there are not 17 different styles.

You probably have spinwheel, questionnaire, giftbox, maybe envelopes with gift.

But you see, these are all different styles and not just variations of the same style.

And I guess this is what you are doing, testing just a few different styles but several variations of these styles.

This is something you can do in a later step, when you identified a good combination already and then want to optimize it.
Then you can splittest different variations of your winning landing page style.

But it´s not worth it to spend too much money in that stage, here it´s only about finding a woking combination and not to find the absolutely best combination on earth.

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Ahh my bad, that's actually 17 offers in the screenshot not landers. I am using 6 landers (and direct as I learned it might be converting the best as well)

After about 50$ spent I had 2 offers that had converted, one had 2 conversions, and another one had 1.
So I am only running these two for now to see which lander is performing the best.



Traffic volume for Singapore is still quite an issue, I'm barely spending 20$ per day with 1 blacklisted zone.
Honestly this was a tough one, will go and work my ass off now to get some motivation.

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Alright, got it.

But 17 offers and 6 landers is still a good overkill.

When you run it like that with all your campaigns then probably you will be broke pretty fast when you run the campaigns in a proper way.

Again, you are in the phase to drill down to a good lander first and then find a working combination of that lander with a good offer.

For the first step you don´t need to run 17 offers.

In that stage it´s better to ask the AM for a currently good converting and proven offer for your targeting.

That way you already know that the offer is working and don´t need to mass test in the beginning.

Just run few proven offers and your chances to find an offer with 2-3 conversions rathewr early in the test are much better.

Then it´s easier and faster to find the offer to test against landers.

And when you then identified the best lander that is bringing good conversions, than you can test all your offers to see which are doing best.

I had more volume in SG even with rather tight targeted verticals.

If you want to feel free to send me your exact targeting in PM or so, then I can check if I maybe have an idea why the volume is so low.

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Twinaxe has said all there is to be said. I just want to suggest one thing:

That $0.16 EG offer - I would run it at a loss, just to identify the good and bad placements.

I would test bids, even high bids, to identify the REALLY good placements.

THEN I would test higher-payout offers on the good placements (whitelist) or with the bad placements blacklisted.

That way you test for cheap and monetize with offers that have higher profits potential.



Amy

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