Offshore's Push Follow Alongšš“ (58)
Hello Everyone! 
Starting this follow along for my dive back into AM. Ran some pops in the start of the year and did fairly well in the first two weeks of running that however I stopped because some things came up in my life. I am however back now and this time starting with push traffic. I will be updating this follow along at the end of each day with my stats for the day, things I noticed, and any questions I can think up for other more experienced STM members. Here is the setup I will be using.
Tracking:
BeMob
Spying:
Adplexity
Hosting:
FunnelFlux Managed LP Server
Affiliate Networks:
Gotzha
Advidi
Traffic Source:
PropellerAds
ZeroPark
Day 1: Setting up Tracking & Launching First Campaign
Spent the day setting up BeMob tracker and making sure that everything is working right. I had used
I setup and launched my first ever push campaign which felt very similar to pops however I noticed some important differences. 1. The budget i set is likely to overspend a little bit as I've seen others in this forum mention. 2. Push hits the "daily impression limit" on propeller and will pause on its own, I thought something was wrong here since I didn't fully understand at first how push notifications worked however a more experienced friend explained this to me. 3. Once the impressions have been sent I can block a zone but clicks can still come in for awhile after due to the impressions being sent in batches and then people opening the notification over time. Curious what a good rule of thumb for blocking placements on push will be then? Aggressively 1-2x payout? = block? maybe?
Day 1: Campaign Stats (RED)
Here are my stats for my first day of running push traffic. Ran a 29 cent payout SOI Sweep offer. Got some conversions, made sure tracking was working, and launched my first push campaign so I'm happy even with the absolute garbage ROI. Got some new offers I will be testing for Day 2, still Tier 2 and 3 Geos but some PINS and CC Submit sweep offers.
I also setup my back buttons to redirect to a Monitizer smart link to collect push subscribers like I have seen others having success with. Here are the stats for the first day of collecting push subscribers.
I will have another update tomorrow with the results of the next campaigns and offers I will be launching today. Would love to hear any advice anyone has on Push.
Day 2: Testing Tier 3 CC Submit Offers (RED)
Got some CC Submit sweeps from my AM for tier 3 geos. Started with Malaysia because i ran asian geos on pops and had my first small green days from there. Got my first conversion on a CC Submit offer. Still a red day but instead of -89% roi I did -75% roi. My goal is to just keep ticking away at the negative roi until I see some green. I've been cutting placements at 1/3 payout spend is this too aggressive or is this fine? My understanding is that push has less bot traffic than pops so I can cut more aggressively. Trying to build a nice repeatable formula for push. Payout x 10 for testing, cut placements 1/3 payout?
Also made my first whole cent from Monitizer back button traffic! practically weeks away from buying the aventador of my dreams. not.
Questions:
for anyone else using their back button to redirect. My landing pace CTR rates are through the roof, attached is a photo. Obviously these are not real CTR rates is there anyway I can make it so my tracker isnt considering back button traffic as CTR? Am I correct in assuming that this is whats causing my insanely high CTR? Ran the back button script in my first campaign however and the CTR was just 16% not a crazy 180% CTR that was a different landing page but same back button script..
What is a good way to know if the ads I'm using are in fact good or if their garbage? how many clicks should I be looking to see compared to impressions? Propeller denies about half the creatives I get from Adplexity so my question is where should I get icons for campaigns that will be allowed to run on PropellerAds or is there another push source thats less strict? ZeroPark maybe or RichPush?
Gonna launch some more campaigns today and keep testing some more CC Submits but gonna try some PIN Submits too. Push is similar to pops but I can tell it is different with the fact their are more moving parts. Still feeling a little overwhelmed but my confidence will grow over time. Read all of Amy's 8 part guide to sweepstakes also since that is the vertical I will be primarily focusing on. Another day another dollar burned but thats part of learning for a noob like me.
Usually 1-2 times payout in loss (also depends on offer payout).
If yes, change it.
You can also start with leadgen sweeps and then use the data for CC submits.
That way you can test more for less money.
Btw, what trafficsource are you using for the campaign?
Because there are sources that are better for testing and others that are good for scaling but can be too expensive for testing.
Originally Posted by twinaxe
But these are two completely different things
TH, ID for example are really low, MY or TW a bit higher and SG for example can have very good payouts.
But the payouts often also reflect in the traffic prices so in the end it all can work when the relation between payout, traffic price and volume is good.
Originally Posted by twinaxe
Yes, I remember.
But these are two completely different things
Good question, can be from $0.15 to $1.80 or so depending on the Geo.
TH, ID for example are really low, MY or TW a bit higher and SG for example can have very good payouts.
But the payouts often also reflect in the traffic prices so in the end it all can work when the relation between payout, traffic price and volume is good.
Oh my gosh, whatĀ“s this
I know man, you made me proud once and I am sure you will do it again.
Also the amex option has to be enabled by support they need my photo ID but got that figured out so thank you have to do that on monday. I used my visa in the mean time to add some more money. Curious what you make of this the TH offer im running has got 7 conversions so the offer has promise but the ROI is terrible most offers when i ran push that converted like this day one would be -30% or -40% and things not negative -88% on an offer thats converted multiple times.
Am i bidding too high? Or can i expect to have this negative of ROI's on push even on a converting offer while testing due to the fact I cant block zones and instantly stop traffic but still have the clicks coming in for awhile after.
I have been bidding 1 cent above the recommended bid on PropellerAds to start or should i be bidding low to block high spend zones in an initial small test and then raising to a medium bid and retest the initial blocked zones later?
Day 3: Prep work on a boring day
Sorry in advance for a boring day! due to it being Sunday I have the offers I want to run pending my AM's approval which are a bunch of tier 3 mainly asian geo soi offers and some soi offers in eastern europe also. I have however not taken the day off. I have spent the day doing a ton of work I do not enjoy haha, cleaning landers and cutting out images of the offers prizes so that I can change out the prize on the lander much quicker in the future. I've done this for when spying I cannot always find a lander with the exact product related to the offer.
I also find others landers dont even always relate to the offer their running. Their running a SOI iphone 11 sweep but the landing page will have photos of the wrong product models as old as the iphone 7 in some cases. I feel a lot of time is taken up each day on these kind of things that could just be done all at once with some structure to save time in the future and focus on launching more campaigns per day rather than having to find images on google of a samsung galaxy s10, cutting out the background in photoshop, and replacing it in the landers files because the lander i rip is using photos of the S9 model. Would love to know how that impacts campaigns, am I smart to take the time to make sure that everything in the funnel matches to the offer even though I spy landers running for multiple days that have received the most traffic don't even have everything matching to their offer? Going to be testing a ton of stuff come Monday morning or as soon as my AM approves the offers which I'm assuming will be then.
Here are all the products I have ready for any of my landers in the future.
I have also spent the day making wheels for each proper product when using spinner style landers while I wait for offers to be approved on Monday. Here are those so far!
Definitely the right way to make sure the funnels matches like creative => LP => offer.
What you've seen with non matching iphone versions as an example can be several things, starting from cloaking over to people just throwing in new offers to test on a proven funnel - doesn't necessarly mean that it's just affiliates being lazy (but honestly, there is a good chance it is the case).
What you could do if your budgets allow it: once you've found a winning landing page, get a cheap VA to collect images for other campaigns you're looking to test and crop the right file size, and replace the images in the html/css/image folders of the landing page and forward it to you. This can save you a lot of time, is a task which is pretty hard not to do properly and allows you to launch new campaigns significantly faster than doing everything by yourself.
One small note about the spinners you've posted: try to find new ones / edit them, honestly spoken I've seen every spinner image you've posted gazillion times already on spytools, people still run them so they seem to work, for me, other type of landing pages tend to do better though.
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Did you check the placements that are sending you the most traffic? Quite often if you start a new campaign with no blacklists attached, a handful of placements can easily eat up 80%+ of your spendings. Make sure to check that, I had cases where 80%+ came just from a single placement, obviously making the whole P/L picture pretty much inaccurate for all other placements.
Originally Posted by fjk87
I'm actually a graphic designer so creating new spinner images and what not would be cake for me but I am for sure gonna start with some tried and true ones in the beginning and then I will for sure experiment on split testing some of the ripped landers with designs for things like the spinner wheel once I have a proven lander that I can perhaps attempt to improve on. I'n the mean time though I'd taken those ones off spy tools and just moved the stuff around so it lands where it should on my landers for each product.
I will post a detailed dive into my placements and what not tomorrow gonna launch a lot of stuff tomorrow as soon as my AM approves the offers and I'm gonna throw some more offers into my TH camp and also keep running traffic to the current offer with 7 conversions. The very quick check i did is that a few of the big placements do make up the bulk of the spending and they have conversions but their not profitable however their are some profitable placements already so that offer may actually be great will have to run more traffic and see tomorow.
Yo Trevor,
Yes it happens that there are not the correct products on the landers.
I also ran quick tests with iPhone 8 picture although I promoted iPhone X or so.
But when I want to run more volume itĀ“s always better when picture and price match.
I have been bidding 1 cent above the recommended bid on PropellerAds to start or should i be bidding low to block high spend zones in an initial small test and then raising to a medium bid and retest the initial blocked zones later?
With the placements for example, when you start a new campaign for testing and you see huge volume and adspend from only few big placements just blacklist them and test them later when you have a working funnel.
For the tests you should try to have more diversified traffic from many different placements so that not just a few big placements are accountable for majority of traffic and have such a big impact in performance.
About your bids, first it would be interesting how yous et your targeting for the campaign.
For first tests on Propeller I ALWAYS choose high activity targeting.
ItĀ“s a bit more expensive and volume is lower but quality is much better compared to low activity.
When you target low activity you can get much more volume for way less money but the difference in quality can be a gamechanger for the campaign.
And I usually always start with a lower bid than recommended when there is enough volume available.
A difference to pops is that on Pops the traffic quality often directly relates to the bid (very rough statement).
Low bid = low quality traffic
High bid = high quality traffic
On push the bid doesnĀ“t say much about the quality, itĀ“s rather about volume.
Low bid = low volume
High bid = high volume
On push you target quality rather with user activity or subscription age and use the bid to control the volume.
Notice About This Follow Along
I absolutely recommend everyone to follow this follow along.
Trevor (offshore) was one of my Pop coaching students and working with him was really fun.
Not only that he is a very cool dude but he also made unbelievalble progress, starting from nothing.
About his background, usually he is a graphic designer, never did anything with affiliate marketing and he ran exactly ZERO campaigns when we started the coaching.
I had to teach him EVERYTHING from the very beginning, even the most basic things because that stuff was all new for him.
And with everything I mean everything.
Teaching what is a tracker, how to set it up and use it, teaching a bit about HTML/CSS/JS to clean and edit landers and so on.
And now guess what, Trevor learned everything really fast and it didnĀ“t take long until he already had successful campaigns running.
From knowing NOTHING about running Pop campaigns to profit it only took him few weeks.
This dude made me so proud and he absolutely deserves the success.
It was not much profit he made and he could have made much more but then he moved and had not much time for the AM stuff, other things had higher priority.
But now he is back and because he already knows the basics from pops he is starting Push now.
When he makes the same progress as he did on Pops (and I am confident he will) you can expect to have a really interesting follow along here
@offshore In case I told bullshit feel free to correct me
And before anyone gets a wrong impression.
I donĀ“t tell it to promote my Pop coaching or so, in fact I donĀ“t even do it anymore because I have no time at the moment.
But Trevor is really cool and I am sure the follow along can be pretty interesting, especially for other beginners as well.
Originally Posted by twinaxe
Yes it happens that there are not the correct products on the landers.
I also ran quick tests with iPhone 8 picture although I promoted iPhone X or so.
But when I want to run more volume itĀ“s always better when picture and price match.
Remember what I told you about pops, some stuff you can use here as well.
With the placements for example, when you start a new campaign for testing and you see huge volume and adspend from only few big placements just blacklist them and test them later when you have a working funnel.
For the tests you should try to have more diversified traffic from many different placements so that not just a few big placements are accountable for majority of traffic and have such a big impact in performance.
About your bids, first it would be interesting how yous et your targeting for the campaign.
For first tests on Propeller I ALWAYS choose high activity targeting.
ItĀ“s a bit more expensive and volume is lower but quality is much better compared to low activity.
When you target low activity you can get much more volume for way less money but the difference in quality can be a gamechanger for the campaign.
And I usually always start with a lower bid than recommended when there is enough volume available.
A difference to pops is that on Pops the traffic quality often directly relates to the bid (very rough statement).
Low bid = low quality traffic
High bid = high quality traffic
On push the bid doesnĀ“t say much about the quality, itĀ“s rather about volume.
Low bid = low volume
High bid = high volume
On push you target quality rather with user activity or subscription age and use the bid to control the volume.
Notice About This Follow Along
I absolutely recommend everyone to follow this follow along.
Trevor (offshore) was one of my Pop coaching students and working with him was really fun.
Not only that he is a very cool dude but he also made unbelievalble progress, starting from nothing.
About his background, usually he is a graphic designer, never did anything with affiliate marketing and he ran exactly ZERO campaigns when we started the coaching.
I had to teach him EVERYTHING from the very beginning, even the most basic things because that stuff was all new for him.
And with everything I mean everything.
Teaching what is a tracker, how to set it up and use it, teaching a bit about HTML/CSS/JS to clean and edit landers and so on.
And now guess what, Trevor learned everything really fast and it didnĀ“t take long until he already had successful campaigns running.
From knowing NOTHING about running Pop campaigns to profit it only took him few weeks.
This dude made me so proud and he absolutely deserves the success.
It was not much profit he made and he could have made much more but then he moved and had not much time for the AM stuff, other things had higher priority.
But now he is back and because he already knows the basics from pops he is starting Push now.
When he makes the same progress as he did on Pops (and I am confident he will) you can expect to have a really interesting follow along here
@offshore In case I told bullshit feel free to correct me
And before anyone gets a wrong impression.
I donĀ“t tell it to promote my Pop coaching or so, in fact I donĀ“t even do it anymore because I have no time at the moment.
But Trevor is really cool and I am sure the follow along can be pretty interesting, especially for other beginners as well.
I had just been targeting High, Medium, and Low activity levels right from the start. For my next campaign I will for sure start the testing phase with high activity level like you recommend. At what point during testing would you say it would be wise to go in and start enabling the lower engagement levels to test how they do also? After seeing some conversions on high activity level traffic? Still waiting on AM to approve offers I applied to itās late so betting they wonāt be approved until in the morning. Thank you for the kind words I hope my progress with push is as quick as it was with pops. Then again it isnāt hoping itās just up to hard work. Will have a update end of tomorrow with my stats and progress for the day!
Day 5: First green campaign but still a red day
Merry Christmas everyone! Sorry for no update yesterday I have busy due to the holidays. Here is a look at my stats for yesterday and what I woke up to this morning. Their nothing amazing but progress is being made and I got to see my first tiny bit of green on push traffic. ROI -56% now so slowly reducing my roi towards green
As you can see the day is not profitable overall however one of my campaigns is in the green however their is not much volume at least not on high activity level in this geo. I was thinking of including medium activity level now to try and see if I can get more traffic to this campaign. its a PIN submit with a profit so far though of just $2 with 1 conversion so nothing major yet could just be a lucky conversion. Question is it even possible to get SOI profitable in tier 3 geos on push with the cost of traffic being what it is. Example 29 cent payout but CPC of 15 cents I would need very frequent conversions to make placements profitable or should I only be using soi to blacklist and rotate in pins or cc submits where the payout is much higher?
As you can see I do have some profitable zones in my TH camp but my highest converting zone is absolutely terrible roi(couldn't fit it into the photo since i wanted to show some of the profitable placements. Largest zone has 7 conversions with $9 in spend) which i clearly now need to cut since its taking up so much of the budget. Wondering with the smaller zones though at what point to cut these. at 1x-2x payout on 0.29 cents id be cutting them very quickly for sure.
My push list is also growing but nothing major still cool for me to watch the numbers rising though.
Merry Christmas everyone! will update with week 1 stats and daily stats for today tomorrow since I am busy today due to holidays!
Week 1: Lots of red
Here are my stats for the first week of running push. Their honestly quite depressing and I for sure have a lot to learn. In total for week one I ran 4 campaigns and 9 offers would've liked to tested more but I had some hosting issues day one and today I'm having trouble getting my visa to process the propellerads funding which it always does, so I have now contacted support to have them enable american express as a payment method for my account since I use my amex cards more and I know they shouldn't give me as much trouble as my visa does. I am going to show some of the creatives I've been using since none of my campaigns are profitable anyway haha. Lets hope week 2 goes better.
Here is a look at my monitizer stats so far. It's cool seeing the subscribers rise that is about the one thing that has been fun this week even if its slowly I like to imagine where this could be in 1 years time.
Here are the creatives I have been using for my Malaysian iPhone sweepstakes campaign. Their all icons, images, and titles/descriptions i ripped from adplexity would really like feed back on if I'm doing anything wrong here.
Real nice posts! Keep 'em coming. Your thread is the last bit of info I'll take in before starting my first campaign in the new year!
How do you intend on monetizing your monetizer subscribers?
I think you definitely have the right idea with the creatives.. I would be doing something similar. I guess now you'd need to go in and take a look at your landing page?
Originally Posted by octapad
Originally Posted by offshore
Do you use a landing page or are you direct linking?
Originally Posted by octapad
Originally Posted by offshore
I have also spent the day making wheels for each proper product when using spinner style landers while I wait for offers to be approved on Monday. Here are those so far!
Doing that much prep for tons of offers while waiting is awesome.
This FA will be good
Originally Posted by jaybot
Trevor (Offshore) is really a great guy.
And he's not just saying that he wants to succeed, he really gets the work done to achieve it.
I will reply here tomorrow with more details when christmas days have finished
Day 8: Making some progress but still red
Here are my stats for my 8th day running on push. Today is still red but not nearly as big of losses. One of my campaigns was even in the green which it seems to do every morning before turning into red later in the day. Worst campaign roi is about -60% and the best is -14% for the day. I've been cutting a lot more aggressively than previously which i think was contributing to my huge negative roi's I was not cutting aggressively enough beause some of my highest conversion zones were the worst spenders, -70% roi's but lots of conversions. On pops I never really experienced this in the 2ish weeks of running on it. Any zones with lots of conversions seemed to be profitable however with push I have now learned that is not always the case and I should still block zones that are getting conversions if their losing me money of course.
Here are my monitizer stats for today also.
I'm including a look at my current campaings CTR on propellerads would love to know if these CTR are bad, good, or great since I'm not sure what kind of CTRs I should be looking for(camps with 0% are paused currently).
I'm about to rotate in some new offers into my campaigns to test along with launching 3 more brand new campaigns tonight in new geos. Hoping to see some green soon but in the mean time I will continue with the plan of burning money but hopefully less so than last week lol.
Originally Posted by jaybot
Doing that much prep for tons of offers while waiting is awesome.
This FA will be good
thank you for the kind words!
Day 9: Almost a break even day and propeller acting strange
So today has been a fairly good day no green yet but only -20% roi roughly with 1 green campaign. The campaigns I setup earlier and launched on propeller say their "working" yet no impressions have been sent and $0 has been sent. I tried pausing and unpausing and same thing so wondering if I need to just recreate these campaigns on propeller. I've now got 8 days worth of data for a few geos wondering if that is enough there to try rotating in some CC Submit sweepstakes?
Monitizer for the day is as follows
Originally Posted by offshore
First try to change the creative.
You donĀ“t need to change the text when itĀ“s working, just change the icon.
When volume increases again itĀ“s all good.
If not just clone the working campaign with exactly same seetings.
Originally Posted by offshore
When you only have campaigns running for 8 days but donĀ“t have winning campaigns and donĀ“t have many conversions already then that data wonĀ“t help you at all.
Reason to first run SOI and then use the data is that you can collect stats much faster and cheaper with SOI offers before you run CC submits.
But of course you need many SOI conversions first to see if placements are good or bad.
Originally Posted by twinaxe
As far as good data I have on my own campaign thats near break even 100 conversions and my other campaign thats running -40% around 70 conversions both of these are in south asian geos with SOI offers. Would the data only really be sufficient if it is from fully profitable campaigns not just ones with lots of conversions? I'm gonna keep running SOI until I get my first profitable soi campaign for sure. I have a profitable pin submit campaign nothing spectacular just $2 profit at 36% roi but really not much traffic is available in that GEO. With soi payouts in the geos im running being aroung 30 cents to 40 cents but the traffic CPC being 14 cents to 19 cents a click I find I'm having to black list a lot of zones to still be at a loss. A lot of my biggest zones in these campaigns with 8-20 conversions in them are unprofitable its only some of the smaller zones that have some profit. Going to rotate in new offers to test in these campaigns and see how it goes.
Day 10: More Money Lost & Constant Campaign Rejections
No good news today just lots of red. The $2 profit campaign I had that was a pin submit stopped converting and my other campaigns also had a fairly big drop in conversions so the roi which had been negative is even more negative today. Struggling to wrap my head around how I can get soi camps to even break even considering the cost of traffic on push cpc. take for example my thai offer with a 0.29 cent payout well at 0.014 cents per click it only takes 21 clicks to have spent this offers payout. So how many conversions I guess would deem an offer a good offer because this offer will get 20+ conversions a day but the traffic cost on cpc makes it to where it isnt profitable and the few zones that are profitable are razer thin 6 cent profits and what not, when I ran on pops a 20 conversion a day offer would've not been -60% roi. Will launch some entirely new stuff today in some other geos but I'm not finding much luck so far with soi lots of -60%--80% roi. Here are the stats for the day.
Here is a look at the three campaigns I've spent the most on in the last 10 days. 100+ conversions but terrible roi would need over 300 conversions to have even been break even so should i be looking for soi offers that do 60+ conversions per day to make it even worth while to run? really lost with this since on pops I had profitable campaigns with no where near as many conversions as the TH camp has but its no where near being worth running. I blacklisted a ton of stuff in it for the best day to still be -20% roi. My Malaysian campaign similar case and tested multiple offers in this one that ranged from 7 conversions to 24 conversions in a day but same thing highest converting zones are no where near profitable. Profitable zones are from a low amount of traffic with 1 conversion and any that have multiple are on razer thin profit where 1 click would knock them into the red.
This is a look at the few zones that are in fact profitable in this campaign that show what I've described above
Also here is a look at the highest converting zones for this soi campaign that are not profitable though having the most conversions
Should I just test new geos and soi offers even though the payout to traffic cost seems slim? Or is this enough data to test higher payout offers like CC Submits in my TH or MY camp?
Have also thought of maybe trying a traffic source other than propellerads since I'm not seeing good results at all which isn't the fault of the traffic source its on me but I also find that a lot of the stuff I take from Adplexity wont even get through moderation on propellerads anyway. I had a campaign get rejected double digit times no matter how much less aggressive i made it until I ultimately gave up on even launching that one because every icon, headline, and lander wasn't compliant on the traffic source related to that offer. Which sucks since it was also an AM recommended offer and I see lots of others are clearly running it on adplexity for a reason but unless i make the icon very unrelated to the offer and headline as bland as possible it's clear it isn't getting through moderation and nothing on adplexity is gonna even come close to getting through moderation. Sorry for the rant there but it's frustrating the moment I can justify the cost each month I will for sure be looking into cloaking. That wont help with ad icons and headlines but least I will be able to use more aggressive landers I find on adplexity. Anyone know of good traffic sources though that will let me run aggressive with no cloaking on push and will approve more aggressive icons and headlines? A lot of the icons and headlines i find on adplexity keep getting declined on propeller. I will for now though stick it out with propeller and keep testing push on there since I had my first good pops campaign on propellerads and I dont wanna jump around a bunch.
Would nutra work well on push even though it isnt as broad of an appeal as say sweepstakes? I am gonna get back to it now and keep launching stuff! I wont give up even though the results so far have been discouraging and I'm getting to see negative roi amounts I had never even experienced before on pops.
Day 11: Same old same old
Here are the stats for the day. Same old massive negative roi's. AM approved a bunch of offers i wanna test though for tomorrow so maybe they will all do better we will have to see. I am not sure if my ads suck, landers suck, or offers at this point since for me so far on push im lucky to see -50% roi on a good day so far. Been using landers, images, and headlines from spy tools most traffic received so this stuff is working for others. Wish I had something interesting to show for the day but dont yet. feeling kind of discouraged so I'm gonna take the rest of the day off to give myself a quick recharge before I get back to it tomorrow. Any feedback especially on my post yesterday would be appreciated. Can show the landers I've been using too also.
Hopefully I can figure this out and find something promising soon either way not giving up
I just quickly check Thailand on Propeller and your CPC looks quite high. Did you try lower bid? Even on High targeting you can get quite good amount of traffic for $0.006-$0.007 which could makes you green.
I tried just like you method to get campaign from -80%, -50% ROI to green by blacklisting but I found that reducing bid is better option than removing placements (if possible of course). At least in my case it worked better. Of course BL is still important but I usually start with lower bid and if I see good ROI then I increase the bid.
I'm sure you will see green soon
Hey Trevor, I will reply in detail tomorrow.
Then we all should take two days off (NYE and recovery) and start the new year with new vigor and energy
Sometimes a little break can work wonders.
Also feel free to spam my Skype if you feel the need for it (or when you just miss me )
Originally Posted by offshore
Even if you did fail miserably and go down in flames (you won't), you're still 20.
You can easily get back up again, better, stronger, etc.
I'm kinda jealous actually. I wish I had started AM when I was your age
Originally Posted by jaybot
Even if you did fail miserably and go down in flames (you won't), you're still 20.
You can easily get back up again, better, stronger, etc.
I'm kinda jealous actually. I wish I had started AM when I was your age
Your story kind of reminds me my own. Right now I am (was) also designer and I started AM in when I was 20-21 y.o. Then everything was easier and I made a lot of money on SEO but I wasn't ready for it. I didn't know that there's such thing like STM, that there's such thing like paid traffic, didn't know anybody and after one/two years I was working on 9-5, hating my job. I also didn't want to be designer on the end - that's what I knew. You are in way better position right now because you are surrounded by super-smart people, here on STM plus you already know what you want to do. Knowing it when you are 21 y.o. is awesome thing. But you have everything you need to succeed
Originally Posted by caravaggio
Hey guys really busy trying to make something out of this casino campaign sorry I haven't updated I will do a big update in like a day or two I am trying to focus on getting this working and keep hovering at around break even on hundreds in adspend lol
Day 34: Struggling to get to green & emergency expense
Hey guys were already on to day 34 time goes by fast. Hope no one thought I had disappeared I've been here running my campaigns the past few days trying my hardest to get profitable. It has been a struggle. Everytime I get something to profit something else breaks about twice as bad haha it's ok though it is all part of the game. Here is a look at my stats from when I started these campaigns to today.
As you can see im only down -18% and here is a closer look at each campaign and you can see all the ways I have tried to scale. Different Bids, Targeting Desktop, Different Traffic Sources. My AM recently gave me a $2 pay bump on all the offers im running so we will see over the next few days how that goes.
I had an emergency expense arise that has likely wiped my budget for month two my girlfriends father passed away, we have to fly to the Caribbean on a few days notice so I will be sadly having to pause all traffic for likely 2 weeks maybe 3 due to the cost of the flight for two people with like a 3 days notice. I will also be busy during this time helping my girlfriend with all of this. I am gonna be trying to take this time to build a budget of $6K for native since I know I can pay off that debt and have at least $6k for native afterwards. so I suppose unfortunately this follow along for the next 2 weeks or 3 will be just me paying off my credit card and then building my native ad budget. I also will keep running push and updating this follow along with it in 2-3 weeks.
Day 36: $4K to go & a book for my long flight
Hello everyone so as i stated a few days ago I am unable to run traffic for 2-3 weeks due to some emergency expenses killing my budget. I am however trying to make the most of the time and not let it go to waste so I am focusing on three things. 1. Paying off the $9,200 that was on my Amex card. So this is whats caused me to have to take 2-3 weeks off. I've been buying traffic on credit and I lost about $1,200 if you round up on month one. My budget per month is $2,000 so this is fine right? well yes until you end up spending $3,000 on plane tickets... on top of my regular monthly expenses. there is why my budget ended up burnt heading into month two. I have now gotten the balance down to $4K which I am hoping to have be $0 by Feb 2nd. 2. Building a cash budget of $6K to avoid having emergency expenses make me pause traffic. 3. Reading a book I saw recommended on this forum. I picked up Ca$hvertising which I plan to read on my flight tomorrow and can hopefully learn some interesting things from about Ad psychology and copy. Hopefully this is a good read and hopefully I can be back to launching campaigns very soon here.
That sucks. But I know you'll be back soon. So no rush. Family/Friend matters are important.
Good book. I also recommend Secrets of Closing the Sale by Ziglar and Copywriting by Shaw if you're getting into copywriting
Looking forward to your comeback!
Originally Posted by jaybot
Good book. I also recommend Secrets of Closing the Sale by Ziglar and Copywriting by Shaw if you're getting into copywriting
Looking forward to your comeback!
hi, bro @offshore when I see your Follow-Along (you are working well bro, go ahead )I see you searching for a redirect script. I found the script working well
<script>
var back_url = 'REDIRECT LINK';
if (back_url != '') {
! function() {
var t;
try {
for (t = 0; 10 > t; ++t) history.pushState({}, "", "#");
onpopstate = function(t) {
window.onbeforeunload = null;
t.state && location.replace(back_url);
}
} catch (o) {}
}();
}
</script>
Originally Posted by iiabed8
<script>
var back_url = 'REDIRECT LINK';
if (back_url != '') {
! function() {
var t;
try {
for (t = 0; 10 > t; ++t) history.pushState({}, "", "#");
onpopstate = function(t) {
window.onbeforeunload = null;
t.state && location.replace(back_url);
}
} catch (o) {}
}();
}
</script>
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Looking like February 3rd is when Iāll be able to unpause my campaigns guys so next Monday we will be back to the usual
Originally Posted by twinaxe
Good to hear that youre girlfriend is also feeling better.
Waiting to see you crazy dude back.
Offshore how you are testing bots with bemob?
Originally Posted by twinaxe
Originally Posted by 4964420454t
sorry I canāt be of more help!
Originally Posted by offshore
sorry I canāt be of more help!There are very close to 0 bots.
Garbage traffic, yes.
But no bots.
I wouldn't say there are no bots. I see in average 5-8% of bots in my campaigns on good sources. It gets way more on bad sources, like MegaPush.
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question for all of you following my follow along, now that I have cleaned my credit cards up and back to $0 on them I have two options.
1. Continue buying adspend on credit come Monday
Pros: Campaigns unpaused in just 2 days, only paused for 10 days roughly in total
Cons: Fairly stressful since even 1 bad day at some of the adspends im getting up to now of $400-$600/day would wipe a BIG part of my budget for the month, Emergency expenses like what happened a few days ago end up destroying my ability to keep running campaigns, If i keep my casino campaigns running the way they are i will be spending $4K a week in traffic and if a network didnt payout god forbid, well id be in very big trouble, Cycle restarts of having to always be stressing about how much i need to make to make up for AM losses to make credit payment in full on time.
2. Take 2 weeks to build a budget of $4K-$6K in cash
Pros: Have $4K-$6K in cash to spend on AM and with my ROIs getting better should always be getting most of it back, dont have to use credit while im learning and LOSING money.
Cons: total of 3 weeks campaigns paused due to the emergency expense + taking the time to save this in cash, Worry about losing my momentum
Originally Posted by offshore
to reply to your question, in my opinion I will play this safely, you can pause the traffic for 2 or 3 weeks, refill your budget and continue planning more campaigns and your are good to go, this my view ... good luck bro in your journey
So better play safe and first earn money back before you start spenging again.
The last weeks were expensive enough for you.
And probably also mental quite a bit challenging so donĀ“t open another stress factor.
Originally Posted by twinaxe
Long time no see everyone.. I've saved up about $25,000 to run traffic with. Starting out on MGID thanks to a deposit bonus that gave me $6250. Been running campaigns for about a week on native. Was thinking of having a follow along for it does everyone think it would be best to resume where I left off on here or start a thread in the native section. I'm thinking of just continuing on my existing thread here. the first week on native has been pretty rough just like push was.
Good to see you back, dude.
Really curious to follow your native journey but I am pretty confident that you will rock it.
Heās back
Start a new thread in the Native section. More Native eyeballs there.
Wonāt confuse anyone in here either.
(no lectures on my FA for being in pop section )
Originally Posted by twinaxe
Originally Posted by jaybot
Start a new thread in the Native section. More Native eyeballs there.
Wonāt confuse anyone in here either.
(no lectures on my FA for being in pop section
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