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12-09-2019 07:09 PM #1 dariavelvet (Member)
I'm in panic :) Procrastinator that is fighting with herself

Hey guys, hope all of you are fine!

First of all, thanks for the chance to be the part of your great community, and thank Amy for her great impact in newbies and teaching them how to become cool and rich guys.

To be honest, I've started 40 Day Tutorial in November, but when I reached Landing Pages part I've started to learn HTML (spent 2 weeks) just because I was scared to continue tutorial. Everything is new for me here, but I beleive I'll not be able to find anything better for newbies then STM Forum. Now I'm continue and I'm scared even more. Although I start to understand more and more each day.

I don't want to describe everything I did until Day16, because I was still fine with all registration, charges and it was ruther simple. Just leaving a brief info:

AffNetworks:
1. CD
2. Gotzha
3. Mobidea

Tools:
1. Adplexity
2. Binom

But today I've choosen my first offer to test, and then looked for landers on Adplexity and downloaded readymade landings (by Vortex) from somwhere here on the forum. So now I have some questions about this part.

I'm following what Vortex said and chose SOI Sweepstakes, tier 3/4.
On clickdealer my AM gave me this offer: (74852) [WEB+MOB] Win Samsung S10 /MX SOI *Exclusive*

I'm not sure which screenshots I can post here... But I will provide any if it helps to understand me clearly. So my questions are:
1. There is no carrier in the offer requirements (which I should take then?)
2. In the rules it's mentioned "No Incentive" (what does this mean?) and what does mean "Exclusive"? I know the meaning of words but I don't understand how it has to effect on my further actions.
3. I've downloaded zip. archive where one contains Landing Page with sweepstake, and other contains two prelenders. Should I use them? Or what do I need to change?
4. That landings which I download from Adplexity, it's a prelender, right? So all of them are full of text (I thought they have to be bright, eyecatching, contain pictures). Is it appropriate prelender? Or the answer is "test them to find it out"?
5. I found it difficult to adjust ready ripped landers to my offer, since I need Spanish language, and also I really don't understand which kind of prelenders I need to test. There are so many of them. Ones contain just a button "continue", others have this spinwheel, survey, wraped envelopes or gifts you need to open... That's why I'm telling you I'm scared, because I have just been lost in the variety of information. The more I start to Google or search here, the more I confuse myself.

There is only 3 types of landers I found in Spanish, that really looks different.

I have also some other questions, but I just wanna clarify the stuff of 16th Day.

Thank you in advance.

12-09-2019 07:55 PM #2 ivan the terrible (Member)

Hi and welcome to STM forum I can understand all of this what you going through since not that long time ago I was exactly in your place. First of all congrats on your progress as we have all have been in your boots at some point and I remember being paralyzed in the beginning and overwhelmed with all info but everything will sit in place with time and as you gain more and more experience. Just don't quit and don't give up. Now I'm no expert but I will try to answer on some of your questions and if I'm wrong please someone correct me.

1. Offer 74852 you can run both on desktop and on mobile since you don't have carriers specified that means you can run on all of them no need to touch anything when you create camp on your traffic source

2. No Incentive means you can't promise, guarantee or give some kind of reward to your targeted traffic, so for example don't use I will give you xyz if you do xyz on your creatives. Also you need to give advertiser your creatives, they will check your leads before they pay you, you have 200 leads cap and they need to approve your landing page before you run. Exclusive means your AM/advertiser needs to give you green light so you can run this offer. Something like that.

3. Yes you can use them but you need to match them to product in this case it's Samsung S10 I don't know which two landers are in question but you can try and download few different landing pages since you have AdPlexity for example, quizz style, spin the wheel and the one with choose the right boxes and test to see which one of those will perform best and later you can play with winning lander.

4. Hard to say that, you can also download lander from advertiser and that's not good for you, can you please take screen shot of one of them and post or you can send me in pm. I need to see what have you downloaded to say if it's ok since you said it has lots of text but in general those are prelanders. Again, I would need to see that to be 100% sure.

5. "spinwheel, survey, wraped envelopes or gifts you need to open" yep those are affiliate landers, you can use Google Translate to check Spanish to English and match them to your offer and clean them from links and check code for anything malicious.

Don't be scared the more you run the more you will be confident we have all been there I can tell you just stick with it and it will be easier with time.

12-11-2019 02:37 PM #3 dariavelvet (Member)

Thanks a lot for your answers, it becomes more clear to me now.

But, I found myself lost in codding process

Day 18: Setting Up Hosting and CDN - was almost easy to finish.

Right now I do downloading all landings from this thread which can somehow fit my offer :

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...Download-Links

and also "1$ set of landings from AdPlexity". I beleive it's much easier to replace some text then to fix the code from ripped lends. Using all the filters that were described in tutorial, I found only 2 or 3 landing pages that are not very different from each other. So I'll try to adapt fixed lenders from STM and AdPlexity to my offer.

The other question I have, how long can the offer live? I see Amy stresses a lot on the speed of actions. But how I can be fast, if it takes me that much time to do rather simple things? Maybe it comes with experiense, but right now I just wanna know: if I ask my AM for some offer, and it takes me several day to run the testing, what the chance that offer will still work?

And how do landings burn out? I read somewhere that the time comes when the landing page no longer catches the user. But then guys switch with the same offer+landing+trafic source to another geo. Does it really works that way?

12-11-2019 03:51 PM #4 ivan the terrible (Member)

How long does offer live depends on what type of traffic do you run, right now if I were you I wouldn't bother too much with speed rather focus on completing tasks. That muscle memory ( speed of setting up campaigns and cleaning LPs ) will come later with more experience. Each time you will be better and better in every segment of the process. Just my 2 c.

12-11-2019 05:36 PM #5 dariavelvet (Member)

Originally Posted by ivan the terrible

I've got your point. Thank you for quick reply! I'm doing landers fixing now, thats a real brainstorming task, haha... the more I study, the more questions I have))

12-11-2019 09:07 PM #6 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

if I ask my AM for some offer, and it takes me several day to run the testing, what the chance that offer will still work?

And how do landings burn out? I read somewhere that the time comes when the landing page no longer catches the user. But then guys switch with the same offer+landing+trafic source to another geo. Does it really works that way?

Some offers last for months or even years (which is rare but does happen), some die within a few weeks ... mostly because the advertiser screwed up something the monetization side. Hard to say what's the average, but let me just say that when I lose an offer, it's mostly due to poor quality leads and not that the offer would suddenly stop performing completely... that does happen too of course.

Landing pages usually don't burn out as fast as ADs. The ads/banners are exposed the most, so naturally they need to be changed more frequently. Some of the LPs I am running are a year old, some more... but again, it's pretty rare to have them running that long. In most cases, they last a few months for me, all it takes is to do minor changes to them from time to time (different image, color scheme ...).

12-12-2019 10:37 AM #7 dariavelvet (Member)

I have another issue.

I was doing "Day 19-25 Fixing-Up-Landers" and used this method: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post358956

Files download successfully, but after fixing the code and loading it to S3 nothing changes on my domain page.

Pic 1 shows index.html file from S3 (changed according to my needs).
Pic 2 shows how it works if I try to load page in internet using my domain name. (It remains the same like before changes)

Then suddenly "apple" was replaced with "samsung", and I've made some another changes, but they don't work either. What is the reason for that?

EDIT

Ok, I've found what's wrong. The decission is in "Day 26" lesson, TTL must be "0" instead of default meanings in my CloudFront.

12-16-2019 04:28 AM #8 vortex (Senior Moderator)

I'm back from AWA+vacation! Thanks @dariavelvet for starting this follow-along! Special shout-out to @ivan the terrible for all the help you've been giving to other new members. All your advice I've seen so far is on point. It takes a special person to take time out of their busy schedules to help out others.

Ok, I've found what's wrong. The decission is in "Day 26" lesson, TTL must be "0" instead of default meanings in my CloudFront.

I've been caught by that so many times myself! Glad you figure it out!

Regarding speed of execution: I understand that it can be stressful. The learning curve is steep for sure, and especially newbies will feel overwhelmed.

Landers take time to prepare; offers go down regularly; we get kicked from offers due to low quality leads; campaigns get rejected due to lander/offer non-compliance; lander domains get banned by google...

It can be a whole lot of "fun", but the rewards can also be huge. We should be glad that it's not easy - otherwise EVERYONE would be doing it.

The good news is that it will get easier. Right now you're having to learn everything at once. But the more campaigns you run, the more experience you have, the faster you'll do things ("muscle memory" like Ivan said above). And over time, you can also develop your own system to make your workflow more efficient.

Also: Pop traffic isn't the only type of traffic around. I'm starting on a tutorial for FB, where I'm wanting to show how to run solid offers that can last a lot longer than the typical CPA offers that affiliates run on pop.

Starting with pop is still good, because it's the easiest to learn and the traffic is cheap. Ultimately though, I would suggest to expand into other traffic types. Push is hot right now although I'm not hopeful about its future, but it would make a good next step from pop traffic. Native is still making lots of affiliates a lot of money, but it takes a significantly higher budget to get started (compared to cheap pop traffic). The of course there are FB and Google which are evergreen traffic sources that aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I've also heard very promising results from affiliates running on the newer and less popular sources such as Pinterest and Linkedin. Just something to think about for the future, once you've learned the basics using pop.

Amy

12-18-2019 06:10 PM #9 dariavelvet (Member)

Thank you guys for your thoughts and support!

Some of my achievements for the last week:

1. I've struggled a lot with this stupid "favicon.ico" that took so much time to upload the LP, until finaly found the solution with base-64. Thanks to readymade LP from this forum. (By the way, if there is more information how to use this base-64, I would be really pleasured to receive some idea how to use it for other pics. This tool seems very useful when usual pic's resize doesn't help much.)
2. Since a few days of practise it comes much easier to change the simple code in Sublime Text3 and edit pics in PS. For 6 landers it took me 9 days to finish them to proper condition (luckily my AM approved them all). But I've learned SO MUCH NEW INFO about web-pages, which I would never thought about in my previous life.
3. I found out that most of LP downloaded from Adplexity are backdoored and protected with "antispying" code that I can't remove. I'm not a coder and that's why I download all the readymade STM LP and 1$ LP package from Adplexity to help me... though I still saw some pages working (somehow) not correctly, so I was looking for a solution in the Web.
4. What I've liked the most - it's to optimize LP for speed. I've used GTmetrix. Testing LP for desktop is fast, while testing them for mobile takes too much time (the que is always huge). Maybe there is another good service to test LP for mobiles?
5. Also in the behavior of CloudFront I use the "Compress Objects Automatically" option. This also makes my LP faster. All of LPs load speed now are less then 1s. I hope it's enough for a beginner.

Still I feel I'm so much slow... I compare this feeling with my first year study in the university, when it took me smth up to 3-5 hours just to do a hometask for one subject, while after 4 years I was barely spending 5 hours per week for the same. Back to school, haha

12-18-2019 06:35 PM #10 dariavelvet (Member)

Originally Posted by vortex

Also: Pop traffic isn't the only type of traffic around. I'm starting on a tutorial for FB, where I'm wanting to show how to run solid offers that can last a lot longer than the typical CPA offers that affiliates run on pop.

Amy

Btw, Amy, when do you suppose to finish FB tutorial or at least start a thread with a few lessons? Thank you

12-19-2019 11:32 PM #11 vortex (Senior Moderator)

5. Also in the behavior of CloudFront I use the "Compress Objects Automatically" option. This also makes my LP faster. All of LPs load speed now are less then 1s. I hope it's enough for a beginner.

Nice tip! Thank you!

Btw, Amy, when do you suppose to finish FB tutorial or at least start a thread with a few lessons? Thank you

I'm hoping in another 6-8 weeks I'll have the first few lessons out.

It's one thing to run campaigns, and another thing to write a tutorial on it. The latter is infinitely more difficult. And I'm aiming to do a step-by-step, which makes it even more difficult.

I have an initial plan that I continue to elaborate on. I'm also running more testing to help make the tutorial as informative as possible.

All this will take time. I don't want to do a half-assed job - I want to help a TON of newbies get started on a complex traffic source.

But I'll try to get this out as soon as I'm able - because I know a lot of people can benefit from such a tutorial.

Thanks for your interest!

Amy

12-23-2019 11:01 AM #12 dariavelvet (Member)

Hi guys! I’ve stacked on Day 28: Doing a Bot Test
I have a lot of questions and would be glad if someone can explain me the things.

1.Trying to implement the caurmen method of bots parsing I found the code suitable for Binom.

So the tracker shows me now the percentage of bots in my stats.
I’ve read so many threads these days, but the more I read, the more I get confused about stats. For me all the placements are just a bulk of bots. I don’t really see the difference between good and bad ones (except of those where >90% are bots). How do I need to decide if there are too many bots?

I even found this article https://charlesngo.com/how-to-detect-bot-traffic/ . ---->

1.1 Charles talks about normal CTR, so how I can get that normal CTR and understand if it's really "normal"?
1.2 Regarding this robots.txt tool, is it helpfull to add such a code to protect my LP from bot traffic?

But you shouldn’t be letting ANY bots crawl your landing pages anyway �� Make sure you have a robots.txt file that doesn’t let any bots into your landing page.

2. I found these 2 sheets for campaign testing:

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...Banners-Part-2
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post256532

Do I need to follow these tools to decide which zones have to be blacklisted? Is it necessary to blacklist zones with bots first or I can just follow this excel sheet?

3. Is it OK that Binom tracker saves stats only for the last 24 hours? ---> ok, I found how to set a time frame, that was a stupid question...

4. This one is really important! Please, help me with this issue, I don’t understand why it happens again and again:
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...Mobile-(Binom)

5.

Originally Posted by zeropark

Secondly we now have a fantastic on-boarding manager called Adam, who’s job is to get newbies and newcomers on Zeropark going without any rectal pain. When you sign up just tell him the offer type, country and targeting settings and he will happily provide you with a whitelist which should prevent a rough ride. Or alternatively, you can contact support@zeropark.com for whitelists.

Is this a common thing? Can I ask for a white list for certain geo in support chat of propeller ads, for example, instead of searching for bots?

6.
I receive some stats from gotzha with top offers of the week, including sweeps leadgen. Maybe I can stuck with these offers to try them first to understand how a profitable campaign should look like. Any advices?

7. I've heard about masterminds groups for affiliates for different verticals, experience etc. Is there something for newbies? I didn't find much newbie activity on STM towards a team work or sharing some tips with each other to progress faster.

P.S. I have found the @jaybot ‘s thread. He is an amazing person. I’ve tried to figure out what I can learn from my binom stats comparing to jaybot stats. I see a lot of visits but not LP clicks at all… What does it mean? There are too much bots, or traffic is bad or offer doesn’t work or I can’t do any suggestions on this matter? Does it mean I have to try another offer or geo or smth else if I see stats like this? Or there is no sugnificent data for decision making?

12-24-2019 05:00 AM #13 jaybot (Veteran Member)