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Vortex 40-day Tutorial Challenge (28)

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Maybe this post can help you.

Edit: as you can see, many other people had a hard time with trackers.
Some of them sorted it out by themselves, some others even created a thread to help others!
On STM you can find everything you need, so focus on finding the solutions instead of complaining about the help you are not receiving!
STM is proactive, not pro-passive

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1. In Voluum, go to account settings and then Domains tab.

2. Copy the domain you see in the "Main domain" field.

3. In Mobidea, paste it (without adding or changing anything) to Insert your Voluum postback URL field (as per your screenshot).


Karolina

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I am very open about my thoughts....Good and Bad thoughts, if one does not like that I should say don't follow me
If you keep trying for months than I think you are not pro-passive

I did it my way :-)

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Thanks for still trying to help, really do appriciate it, but can you understand that it makes me confussed? I have learned that a Postback is something different as a Domain link. But now it looks like they are both the same?

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Did you manage to get tracking working?

Instead of complaining, let's get this resolved, shall we?

Sent you a PM.



Amy

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So it turned out that the tutorial is still accurate.

You were just hung up on the fact that you didn't need to post the full postback url into Mobidea, just the tracking domain.

You thought that may have been a mistake. It wasn't. Mobidea has their own custom tracking system - they know the format of the postback links of a few of the major trackers, so "know" how to construct them just based on the tracking domain.

I'm pasting a part of our conversation below:

A little bit of patience goes a long way. Tracking is such an essential thing to understand. I know it's not easy, but you WILL need to figure it out - unless you want to run all future campaigns without a tracker (which is doable - and some affiliates DO run without a tracker - but the choice would be up to you).


The best posts that explain how tracking works, are these:

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post357753

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...-Read-This-Now

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...lly-made-sense


Good luck!




Amy

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Hello, the emotional men is back...

Hope you are all doing very well!

Really hard to work 2 hours a day if you work 80 hours on another business...Basicly I am wasting my money on the STM Forum by doing nothing with it.

So i started with Convertri also to have fast landingpages and I opened a Adplexity account, that means I added more cost to trigger myself to push me more...

My goal is to have at least 3 campaign out, with landing pages before the new year....

Today I have a lot of time so hopefully to start with landing pages today..

Any advice?


IF THERE ARE PEOPLE FROM THE ROTTERDAM AREA, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!

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Nice to see you back!

If you want to get campaigns started ASAP, why not check out the Lander Depository?

https://stmforum.com/forum/forumdisp...age-Depository

We have lots of landers from multiple verticals and in multiple languages, that are already cleaned and ready to go (after you insert your tracker click url in the right places). If you find some that are suitable for the offers you're wanting to run, those will save you some time.

Have you spoken to your affiliate managers to pick some offers yet? That's where I would start.



Amy

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Hello Amy, I heard today that doing pop ads has no use anymore....That it's impossible to make money because traffic is very low....is this true?

Yes I asked my am for offers 5 weeks ago, only one replied...

Can I use those landers you gave me in Convertri?

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Convertri?

As for doing pop ads having "no use anymore" - see this:

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...nd-You-Can-Too!

But then again, pop HAS gotten a bit saturated. I wouldn't recommend to run pop forever, but pop is STILL the easiest and cheapest way to get your foot into paid traffic. I mean, you have to "pay your tuition" one way or another - may as well do it with pop as it's the cheapest.

Once you have some experience with pop, try push. Or if you have a biggish budget, try native.

Or, if you're up for doing something different but more complex, FB or Adwords.

But any way you do it, persistence will be KEY. For example, you can't just ask your AMs for offers once and expect them to reply. They're busy attending to the bigger affiliates. Newbies will need to "gently remind" AMs a lot if they want anything. Once you can bring more conversions, AMs will spend more time with you. It's the same everywhere. It's not because they want to be rude, but they have a limited amount of time and most are taking care of a ton of affiliates. So if you want some attention, be a "squeaky wheel".

And if your current AMs really don't want to have anything to do with you, join more networks. There's a way around every problem. Be a problem solver, and you'll open doors.



Amy

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I don't have a problem with AM's not replying....I was just answering your question...

I have a problem with myself for not being able to run campaigns...

Convertri is software to make landing pages....but they misinformed me, they say it would be easy to insert HTML pages but is not...

Do you know which software I can use to use the landers I downloaded? (please don't say clickfunnels)

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Let me also chime in here

This statement is pure bullshit.
Yes, it´s harder to succeeed with pops.

But it´s rather because offers, especially mobile content, changed over time.
So there are not that many offers anymore that convert easy on pop traffic.

Also competition is higher than few years ago.

But traffic volume is no issue at all.
There is lots of pop volume available.

I just checked the website of Conventri.
This software you can´t use at all for Pop campaigns.
Seems it´s rather for longer sales pages or to collect leads.

If possible try to get a refund and better invest in a subscription for Adplexity.
There you will find all landing pages you need for your Pop campaigns.

Then you don´t have to create them yourself.
Of course you need a little knowledge of HTML and stuff so that you can clean and edit the landers.

But on Adplexity you find what you need for your campaigns.

You can also check HERE
Maybe there are already landers you need.

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I started the 40day Vortex because they told me that is was easy to follow and I should be able to make at least $100,- profit after 40 days for a beginner....I started hopeful but I don't have that feeling anymore.....After trying to start in affiliate now for 6 months, it looks like that a lot of people in affiliate are not really honest about the results or about training.......it's more like trading where 95% is losing money...And most people make money selling courses and training..
And I also hoped to get a little more help here on the STM Forum, but it does not look really active...

Why is it not possible to use Convertri? I just need a landing page, or not?

I have a subscription in Adplexity also, but I cannot open the pages I downloaded, in Convertri.....Do you know software which I can use? I also bought 250 landing pages from Adplexity which were most used in 2019 they say.... ( I have Voluum, Convertry, Adplexity, STMforum subscription and 4 networks for offers but no campaigns running hahaha)

And I do know a little HTML, I only don't know how I can get them running online...

I just see what's happening...I will stay here for a few months and if it does not work out I will try somewhere else...

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Hey meadwin, right now I am only online on my phone but I will reply longer when I am on my PC.

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I have to ask: WHO was it that told you about making at least $100 profit after 40 days for a beginner?

There are college graduates that have spent 3-4 years and $50k+ on a college education that are only making that level of income after taxes ($100-200/day). Nobody would go to college anymore if they could just start making $100 in profits after following a tutorial for 40 days.

Nobody can make that type of guarantee when it comes to business, least of all online marketing.

The only way to guarantee profits in this way would be if I gave you a job on a signed contract (and even in that case, breach of contract would still be a possibility).

Everybody starts out hopeful. The reality of this business is that it takes a TON of persistence and burning through budgets to learn the trade. So, the sooner you learn this reality, the better.

There are affiliates making money in this industry. As I've mentioned, pop is more saturated than it was a couple years ago, but many of the other traffic types are thriving, including push traffic which is very similar to pop (which is why the 40-day tutorial is still recommended).

As for the forum not looking active: We've been replying to your posts in this follow-along within acceptable time frames. We're here to answer your questions, but you'll have to do the actual work yourself. There's no way around that.

The 40-day tutorial is already the least painful way to get started. (There's also the $1 guide, but that one doesn't involve a tracker or landers, which you do need working knowledge of if you're serious about this business.)

So - and I'm making this suggestion with all the love and consideration I have for newbie members - if you're discouraged already at this point, before even running your first campaign using landers, then you should seriously ask yourself whether you'll be able to stick it out when the going gets tough, i.e. when you actually start spending major money on testing and results are hit and miss at best (which they always are especially in the beginning).

Read some follow-alongs and success stories, and you'll see what kinds of challenges some of the best affiliates have had to go through before finding success. This is an industry where there's plenty of money to be made, but not everyone will succeed, and those that do, will only find profits after much testing.

Do what others are not willing to do, and you'll make money others are not able to make.

Regarding landing pages you've downloaded from the Adplexity package: You'd need to upload them somewhere, such as your own hosting account, or something like Amazon S3 which is covered in the 40-day tutorial.

I've laid out step-by-step how to upload landers to S3, and use a CDN to make them load faster.

I've also described the most common things you need to do to clean a ripped lander - again, please refer to the 40-day tutorial.

If you have specific questions, please do ask them - we're ready to answer them.

Apologies if I sounded harsh. Every word was said with love. I don't want to mislead you into thinking this business is easy. But if you're willing to give it a try, we're here to help.




Amy

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Alright meadwin, let me write a bit about your last post.

Yes, the tutorial is easy to follow and Amy did a really fantastic job with it.
I just write a Push tutorial myself and although the Push tutorial wont be that comprehensive as the 40 days tutorial now I REALLY know how much time and energy is needed for it.

But just because the 40 days tutorial is easy to follow it doesn´t mean that it´s also that easy to make $100 profit per day.

One important factor that unluckily often is underestimated is mindset and Personal Responsibility.
And this is something where we all have to work on ourselves.

So when people think they have the 40 days tutorial and only need to go through it and run some campaigns to make huge profits then they better should first work on their mindset and attitude.
Don´t get me wrong, I won´t say that you are such a guy.

But check other successful follow alongs, ask other beginners who succeeded what they did and why they succeeded.

It wasn´t because they were waiting for others to solve their problems.
It wasn´t because they were given secret and high converting landing pages and exclusive private offers.

They succeeded because they were determined to succeed.
They (mostly) are structured with what they do.
When other people test 50 offers then they test 200 offers.
When other people test 3 Geos then they test 20 Geos.
They work pro-active and are eager to learn, to understand and to grow as soon and as good as possible.
They see themselves responsible for what they do and don´t wait for (or even expect) others to fix their problems.

Check the follow along from jaybot, he also started with Pops and still runs them.
He made profits, he had losses, but he never complained or so.

When something didn´t go right he maybe asked about it but continued testing trying to crack the nut.
Because he wanted to succeed from the very beginning.

Check what he accomplished, he had the will to win and succeeded.

Again, when you want to win you need a winning mindset.
When you only doubt or don´t believe in you and when you think that you will fail anyway then guess what most probably will happen...

Yes, unluckily you are right and it´s no secret that there are many cheaters, scammers and con artists out there.
But not all people are like that.

Although there are many scammers out there you can be sure that STM (btw one of the, if not THE, most respected affiliate marketing forum) is definitely none of them.

And one of the reasons that there are so many scammers out there is because there are even more people who basically want to get scammed and rather pay too much money for fake and exaggerated promises instead of being less greedy and paying reasonable money to receive real support and help from real people or where they learn something from scratch where they really could start their own career with.

Sure, in some way I can understand your position.

But please try to see it from a different perspective as well.

Let me take you to a journey back into 2013 when I signed up for STM.
At this time the forum was much smaller, as far as I remember there was a limit of 500 members.

The forum was basically full of longtime/fulltime/experienced/advanced affiliates and trafficsource and CPA network representatives.
It was a great place to make or keep very valuable contacts in the affiliate industry.

In this time STM built its reputation as a place where REAL people from the affiliate industry come together, network, meet, talk, create masterminds and joint ventures.

This reputation made STM more and more popular so that more and more people got curious what it is about.
But these were not all professional affiliates, also more beginners wanted to be part of the community.

I can absolutely understand it because internet itself grows bigger each year and probably at the same rate more people want to make money online.

Now let´s go back to today.
In the meantime STM removed the 500 user limit to give more users the chance to become a part of the big affiliate universe.

Here are still so many really big affiliates, some of them even started their careers exactly here in the forum.
There are still all the trafficsources, CPA networks, affiliate tools like Adplexity, different trackers and what not on STM.

But now the knowledge and also the contacts are not only available for a few chosen ones.
Now every single member here can benefit from it, this includes you as well.

And I don´t think that I exaggerate (at least not that much) when I say that you probably won´t find so many respected industry professionals in one place anywhere else.

Also did you hear about the 6WAMC?
I don´t think that there was something like this before.

But even a forum like STM is only a tool.
It´s up to everyone individually what to do with it and how to use it.

So you say you hoped to get more help here.
This is your very own and highly subjective impression that you have but I believe it 100% when you tell me that you feel this way.

But now please do me a favour and tell me what exactly were you hoping for?
I really would like to understand it.
You can see that I write such a long post because you can be sure that we here at STM do our best to support and help our users here.

So what kind of help were you exactly looking for?
And what did you do yourself to receive that help?

To get the support and help that everyone individually needs is no one way road.

What helps User A maybe won´t help User B and vice versa.
Just saying "It´s not working" or "Solve the problem for me" won´t get you far, neither here nor anywhere else.

So the first step to get good help is to tell exactly what you don´t understand and where you need help.
It´s also good when you first try to solve the issue yourself and when you don´t succeed you can explain what you tried already.
That way the people who want to help you can understand your situation better, they also see that you are actively interested in finding a solution.

When I saw your posts in this thread I had mixed feelings about it and wanted to get a better impression about your affiliate campaigns.

I checked ALL of your posts and what I see is that you mostly just complain instead of explaining the situation and asking for help to solve your problem.
Or you just ask "Am I doing something wrong?" but you don´t even tell what you are doing.
How shall anyone tell if you´re doing something wrong when you don´t even say what are you doing?

You doubt that you still can make money from Pops, you question things that every experienced affiliate would tell you exactly the same.
When people reply to your concerns and want to help you it happens that you rather discuss about some phrases or so instead of giving more information to solve your problem.

In other posts you are really rude towards the people who want to help you.
Sometimes it seems that you are working against the people who try to help you instead of working together with them.

You are not asking for help in a friendly way but you are rather demanding that other people solve your problems.
In none of your posts it seems that you are really interested in working together with the other people to find a solution for your problem.

Nontheless ALL of your posts got answered.

This post is from Friday and it´s this text "It looks like I cannot open most of the landers....Am I doing something wrong?"

Same problem again, you tell you can´t open most of the landers but in no word you tell what happens when you try to open the landers.
You don´t tell anything about it but still assume that we can help you with it?

As I said before, getting help and support is no one way road.
And when you don´t tell details about your problems, when you only demand to get a solution instead of asking nicely for help, when you are rude to people who want to help you instead of showing just a minimum sign of respect or appreciation...

Then it´s pretty clear that it´s not the forums or anyone elses fault when you don´t receive the help you were hoping for.

Not all landing pages are the same.
Some work better for this, others for that.

I still don´t know Conventri but from what I saw it rather looks like landing pages to collect leads.
It doesn´t look like it has landing pages you can use to promote CPA offers.

Sublime Text, Notepad++

It´s all in the 40 days tutorial.

When you still have problems ask friendly for help in the appropriate thread or ask here in your follow along thread.

Explain exactly what you don´t understand and what the problem is.
Also tell what you tried already yourself to "get them running online".

So what do you expect to happen yourself in the next few months when you continue to behave like now?

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Thanks for responding, you don't have to apology for sounding harsh. I always communicate open and direct myself, so I really like it when other people do so. So please, just say what you think or feel about me because that's the best way to learn.

I will answer the rest of your answer later but I just wanted to say this....

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I will answer all other things later but I want to answer to one thing already. You say that I sound rude when I write on the forum. I definitely are not a rude person, yes I am very open and direct. And in writings/mail/chat it maybe looks rude but it's definitely not meant to be rude. People who know me ask my opinion if they want an honest answer and not an politically correct answer. Myself I like that people talk direct to me because that has much mor use...So I hope you will read things I write different now..

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No problem, I can absolutely understand it.

Online we only have limited options to express ourselves.

That´s why I also prefer direct talks

Same here, I am also a friend of clear and direct words instead of meaningless nonsense.

Maybe you can imagine that I wouldn´t spend my time and energy writing such long posts when I would just think that you are an ignorant idiot

But I know it from myself that people often misinterpret me or my behavior.
One thing is how we seem to be, a different thing is how we really are.

And when I only read your post you seem to have a rather negative or pessimistic attitude towards the whole affiliate markting thing.
At least this is the impression I get when I read the posts.
All the "complaints" and doubts before you even started your first campaign.
I just don´t feel the "fire" in your posts, the excitement to start, the eagerness to learn and to succeed.
It seems you are not looking for solutions for your problems but you are rather finding new reasons or excuses why something doesn´t work.
Why should I give you 100% support and help when I don´t even think that you want to succeed or that you really interested in it.

We all had to work our way through lots of shit sometimes, we all had big throwbacks, we all had to deal with (sometimes very bad) problems.
It´s not about how hard your way is, it´s about how you deal with it.

Again, in no way I mean that the above is is how you really are.
But this is the impression I get when I read the posts.

Anyway, now our positions should be clear and you see that I still replied to your other questions because as I said, we are here to help.

I am also happy that you explained yourself a bit, can help to understand you better.
I would say let´s forget about the rants and better concentrate to get you running.

But apart from all that impressions there is one thing that you definitely have to work on.
To give good support we also need good information about what´s going on.

When you face problems please describe the issue as detailed as possible.
Tell as good as possible what happens, what problem you have with it, what you tried yourself to solve the problem and so on.

The better you describe the problem the better we can help.
When we first have to send 10 messages back and forth to really know about the issue it can become pretty tiresome and only makes everything more complicated than necessary.

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@twinaxe: I have nothing to add. Agree with everything you said. I sense a lot of love through your words. The community is fortunate to have you as moderator!

@meadwin: Now that that discussion is behind us, let's make some progress, shall we? Where in the tutorial are you at? What are you trying to do right now? And are you stuck anywhere?



Amy

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I took some rest and did extra sports because I really needed it...Thank you for your time and for the feedback you gave me...

The most important thing I read in your story is that I don't tell what goes wrong but that I show more of angriness and negativity...Have been reading back my posts and can only say that you are right...1 thing I also want to mention..I never blame someone else for things I cannot do, maybe it looks this way in my posts but I only can blame me for things I do or cannot do!

And you also mention my negativity towards Affiliate marketing....Part of that is absolutely true.....I have been in offline sales for almost 17 years, most of that time I worked as an independent salesman and I helped companies selling there investments/services....After being sick for a long time I want to train myself to become an online salesman...That's why I started with affiliate marketing because I think that's where I can do things and learn at the same time....And also because affiliate marketing learns me the basics of all online sales: write copy, make ads, buy traffic, make landers, do conversions and work with tools. So that's al positive....

But the negative part is that I really don't like the sweepstakes, dating, and cheap affiliate offers because it feels not good. You try to get their information so that you can sell them all sorts of things...This does not mean I am against this kind of sales...But I prefer to work with more serious products where I openly try to sell products/information to people..
So I think this, in combination with working too many hours, is where the negativity comes from....And I still don't mind doing sweepstakes etc. to learn the process, also part of my negativity comes from the fact that I am still not able to run campaigns...

You talked about 6WAMC, I looked at this, thinks this can be helpful but first need to overcome my set up and launch campaigns blindness haha....

I don't write such long posts as you do. To end this I am telling where I am at in the tutorial. Think I have to go back to day 14-15 about the landers, wanted to use Convertri but I think I have to learn how I can use the landers from the forum...

And of course al the best for 2020!

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I think I missed a part about the landers.....because I wanted to use Convertri...So I think I need to learn about landers more....What do I have to learn first? Hosting the landers at Amazon or preparing/making/fixing the landers? My idea was that I could host them and then make changes/duplicate and so on...

And Amy for you also a happy 2020 and thank you for your patience and help!

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I think I missed a part about the landers.....because I wanted to use Convertri...So I think I need to learn about landers more....What do I have to learn first? Hosting the landers at Amazon or preparing/making/fixing the landers? My idea was that I could host them and then make changes/duplicate and so on...

And Amy for you also a happy 2020 and thank you for your patience and help!

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Good to see you back, I hope you had nice christmas

Alright man, then let´s change this.

I know that such stuff can be pretty confusing when you never do it before.
That´s just normal.

But the good part is that you don´t need to become an expert in HTML/CSS/JS, it´s no devil´s work.

You just have to become good enough to know how to change and edit landers.

And I still recommend to get away from Convertri.
As I said before, there are different kinds of landing pages.

Convertri looks like it´s rather for "whitehat" lead generation but not that much suitable for promotion of CPA offers.
There you need a different approach.

That´s why Adplexity and the landers from there are so good, they are made for our needs

Happy new year for you

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I see that I am a LEVEL 2 BEGINNER on the forum, that's funny. Cannot launch a campaign but stil growing...

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I'm very glad you've become aware of the negativity! It's a very natural attitude to have - in fact most people feel that way at least sometimes, myself. But negativity robs us of the joy we're ALL entitled to.

And we weren't offended in any way. We mainly wanted to point that out for your benefit. Sometimes our objective perspective can help you see what you couldn't before. I've been in the same place, so can relate.

Try to stay curious like a child. Not everything will work out of course, but if you keep trying, something WILL. I know it's a general statement, but keeping this in mind can help to avoid disappointments and cynicism.

I hear you about not liking to run typical pop offers. Please stay tuned for the FB beginner's tutorial I'm writing, where I show how to run legitimate offers using actual marketing skills (instead of focusing on ripping and running landers). It's not easy to write such a tutorial, but I'm happy to report that I'm making good progress. I WILL need a couple/few months though before I will finish the first module. But it is coming. In the meantime, the 40-day tutorial should be enough to give you a taste of what running paid traffic involves.

(By the way: The 6WAMC is no longer being offered.)


Yes you are correct!

And yes there are lessons in the 40-day tutorial on how to rip and fix and optimize landers!

I promised a step-by-step guide, so all the basics you need to know, should be in there.


Haha - like I mentioned in my post where I introduced the levels system, these levels represent the level of forum engagement, not actual affiliate marketing experience.



Amy

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Thank you for trying to help me....did not really worked out the way I wanted here on the STM forum....I achieved 1 thing and that is that I know the vertical where I want to work in, Casino/Gambling..

Again thanks for your time and maybe we will see each other somewhere else...definitely not going to give up on affiliate marketing but I do for now here on this forum...

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Hey Adwin,

I see it as a sign of respect that you didn´t just leave but that you post about it.

So thank you for that.

About Gambling/Casino, it´s a good choice and a good vertical to work with.

Be prepared to spend some money to get it working.

But when you get it working it can make very good money for long time.

One last tip for you, always start with SOI offers to collect stats and later use the stats and knowledge from the SOI campaigns for CPA campaigns.

Also try to keep up a good quality, there are very reliable and good Casino advertisers and brands that also give you better payouts and high caps.
But important is to send them good leads.

You also can make quick bucks with exaggerated promises for the users that result in higher CR for you but no money in the backend for the advertiser.

You can do that for some time but you will get paused from the offers rather fast then and eventuall maybe blocked by the advertiser completely.

When you are serious about it and want to run it longterm better sacrifice some earnings and run for quality.

Maybe we see on a conference or so one day, but no matter what I wish you all the best for your further way

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First I need to learn how I can launch campaigns....So you won't see me on a conference very fast....I hope I can find a place where I can learn this...unfortunately I have not learned it here...

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