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Beginners Journey To 1st Green Campaign (40)

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Hello everybody, welcome to my journey. I am a new affiliate in the adult vertical, focusing on adult dating and using only display right now. Join me in my struggles as I shoot for my 1st green campaign.

I am new to this forum and this is my first follow along, so forgive me if I break some rules (I don't even know if there are any) or if I just sound like a complete noob.

As we speak, I am awaiting approvals for adult offers from "CrakRevenue" all from Tier 2 countries (I couldn't find any offers for Tier 3 countries). I looked at "Maxbounty", but their offers are all Tier 1 countries. I applied to "TopOffers" today, so I hope they have good offers.

*Any recommendations on solid adult networks with great adult dating offers?

I am going to follow @vortex's strategy on identifying a decent offer to test/cut winning Landers instead of just throwing up random Landers like I have in the past.

Hopefully tomorrow I will have my offers approved so that I can set up campaigns and begin testing. I will update you all on everything that I am using as well as my strategies!~ Stay Tuned In!

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For solid adult networks I would add Advidi and Clickdealer to the mix. I like Vy Media Group (VMG) too, but it's a smaller network but great also.

Since you are in the US I don't think you should have too many issues getting approved.

Good luck!

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All the best king_c

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I'll take a look thanks

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I second Vy Media Group, great boutique network for Adult, and quick plug to the boys at UnitedGap Those guys have outstanding service, awesome group of guys!

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Thanks for the recommendation. I have applied to advidi and Clickdealer. But for now I will be using Crakrevenue offers. I will look into both UnitedGap and Vy Media Group. Thanks!

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A little update! Just so you don't think I have given up already

There is not much to update today as I unfortunately was not able to set up any campaigns as there is some problem with my campaign URL not being accepted by traffic networks. I will have to speak with my Voluum manager tomorrow.

Good news is that I was able to get many of my requested offers approved thanks to my awesome affiliate manager at Crakrevenue! I will not reveal names just to be respectful. I found some good offers that I should be able to test from Tier 2 countries. (Lead gen offers, SOI, adult dating<-- offers)

My game plan is as follows:

5 banners - 2 Landers - 2 Offers <--- I will be testing everything

Affiliate Networks: CrakRevenue (Maybe add some others later)

Traffic Source: TrafficJunky (Maybe Exoclick or TrafficFactory later)

Offer: Tier 2 countries, SOI, Lead Gen

Tracker: Voluum (Was using Testeasily before)

VPS Hosting: Beyond Hosting (Not entirely sure how to set up landers under domains in Voluum so I am using Beyong Hosting for now)

Spy Tool: Adplexity

Budget: $50- $200 a day and then more later on.

Banners and Landers are ripped from Adplexity/ Other Affiliates/ Manual spying. I will be split testing and changing up creatives later on.

I'm not entirely sure how @vortex's strategy for testing landers works and I really don't want to mess it up or tinkle with it just yet (In the future, definitely), but for now I will just keep battling offers. Then I will test Landers and banners.

Question:


*How exactly does testing two offers with different GEOs in the same campaign work?

*Would you recommend starting with @vortex's strategy for determining a decent offer and then using that to cut and find winning Landers?



--> Update coming when I have my campaign set up and fix the campaign URL issue. Thanks for reading! <--

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Testing 2 geo's will be a little more complicated when looking at the data - when starting off, would probably recommend just testing 1 GEO.

Yes, I would test for a winning offer first, but also as you run landers/banners be aware of which ones perform better than others, and you can use that as a benchmark.

But I'll still very new, so I'll let the pros answer these questions for ya

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I appreciate your time. Thanks for the input!

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Yah definitely add in Advidi and United Gap to your arsenal of selecting offers dude, really best to make sure you got the best available to raise your chance on profitable campaigns, offers really are a big part of the puzzle, and having multiple networks is also important as they tend to come with caps so balancing out best offers over several networks becomes part of the game.

Regarding testing multi geos:

Use your tracker and a subid to differentiate which geo is coming in, then you can read each stats from which geo?

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Thanks for all the input, I'll apply to United Gap. Just curious, how would you target multiple Geos using a traffic source? Wouldn't you just add the listed Geo's? The only thing is, I have a feeling that the traffic source would not be able to differentiate. For now I'm going to keep it simple, but in the future I will be experimenting.

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TopOffers ==> In-House Brands For Adult Dating !

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Here's a quick update. I started 2 campaigns at 12 PM (PST) 8/24/19 and I let it run until 9PM (PST) 8/25/19 (Total time 21 hours). I was actually testing two Tier 1 offers just because I wanted to see how the same offer I promoted before would perform in a different country. Anyways, I actually made a mistake on setting up the Postback URL hahaha, so it didn't end up tracking my one conversion.

Results:

-Two campaigns: 5 banners each (Mobile Header), 2 LP each(Ripped, just testing), 2 offers each (Same Geos)

-Daily Budget: I started with just $25 a day each campaign just to make sure everything is set up correctly. (I seem to always mess up my Postback URL or Tracking Link setup.)

My results are laughable. I've actually never had a campaign this bad before. Oh well, there's a first for everything I guess. Technically I have one conversion that didn't track, but I'm disregarding that campaign as it was just for a simple test. Anyways, I'm not too worried. I'm just going to keep continuing to test different offers/ funnels/ elements and see what works!

This should be good to look back at. I'm no expert, but I know that I'll get a Green Campaign up and running really soon, I can just feel it.

This post was just for my records as well as a display. I hope that when I get my green campaign up, everyone can see where I started and know that it is possible if you just don't give up.

*This follow along journey might take a while as I figure out my way through Affiliate Marketing*

Quick question for anyone:

- I'm curious as to how you guys get your landing pages, and whether you change them up immediately or wait until it has potential?
-->I've got all mine from Adplexity and manual spying, and sometimes I take some from the affiliate network offers and just edit out some of the code
- Any suggestions on good GEOs to target?
- Also, for other Tier 2 GEOs do you guys like to translate the language or leave it as english for the landing pages?

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I think most people just rip landing pages. What you are doing with Adplexity and manual spying is fine in finding landing pages.

As far as tweaking them, I don't tweak landing pages until I find one that looks like it will work with my offer/traffic source. No point in tweaking a landing page imo if it's not even a good one.

Looking at your screenshot, even though it's not a lot of data, to have only 1 conversion (assuming you aren't running a PPS offer) seems pretty bad.

You probably need to change your offers assuming your landing pages / traffic sources aren't terrible.

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I have adplexity adult so I use that for spying and seeing what people like to use for Landing Pages and Banners. No I am running PPL. I'm using two of the best landing pages filtered by time. I still have a lot to test though!

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Good luck man

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Thanks!

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Quick question. If you have a campaign and it gets one conversion, but just doesn't get a single conversion again even after spending 4x offer payout after the first conversion, do you just cut it? Also, I've had this happen many times, what might be the case? Could it be that the banners are all burned out? My funnels sucks? My landing pages suck? My angle sucks? Too many bot traffic? Or the offer sucks?

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Did you actually mean pause a "banner" as opposed to the "entire campaign"?

If it's campaign, I think thats too little data. Meaning if you had a campaign that was promoting a $4 payout, you would pause after $20 of campaign spend?

That's too quick you need to let the data run.

As far as what could be the cause, it could be any of those things you mentioned. Unfortunately there isn't an easy way to determine this.

Generally though if you're using a ripped lander (proven from spy tool), on a reputable traffic source (ie TJ site), and not using some really weird angle, the issue is probably with your offer.

Still though I think you need more data.

What is your current daily spend on this campaign and the offer payouts?

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I mean pause the whole campaign. So here's an example of just one mobile campaign I have in testing. The payout is $.28, GEO is Turkey. I am using Exoclick as a trafficsource targetting placement is ALL. The campaign has been running for 1 day already and has reached an impression of 442,500 with 1,014 clicks AD CTR of 0.23% with a LP CTR of (5%, yes it dropped a lot), with a spend of $5. 5 Banners - 2 Landing pages - 2 offers. The campaign has spent $5 to make back $.56. Is this enough data to know if the campaign even has potential or not?

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First off $5 is not enough data at all.

Also if you don't know what you're doing as a beginner, you should stick to 1 individual placement ideally or a handful at most.

By targeting so many placements it's tough to interpret the data. For example maybe your funnel is decent, but you targeted a bunch of bot filled placements that mess up your data.

You can stick with Turkey, but maybe pick 1-3 high traffic spots and just let the campaign run for data.

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Yup, you sir are a genius. I'm not sure what I was expecting to get with targetting so many placements. I actually did get more conversions later, and ended up spending around $24 over the next days. I'll be updating real soon.

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Okay, so it has been some time since I posted an update just because I was trying to figure some stuff out. So after having two campaigns run for around 4 days, I decided to target only the placements that I got conversions with because I had a healthy reminder from @jabong82 that I shouldn't be targetting too many spots. I have a campaign that I know I can turn green.

The thing is that with Exoclick I'm not really sure how to go about setting up targetting for spots seeing as they have so many spots which all combine to provide a big heap of the traffic unlike TrafficJunky where Redtube or Youporn a lone could easily bring in a lot of traffic depending on GEO of course. Even now, as I target 12 spots for my desktop campaign and 7 spots for my mobile campaign, I am still not getting much impressions.

Info

I am running 3 offers. Two of those offers are for mobile, and are being split-tested. The other offer is a singular desktop offer. These offers are all for the GEO Turkey. I am running 5 banners (1 or 2 ripped and the rest I created), 2 landers (I ripped and changed the angle a little) for each campaign. The traffic source is Exoclick right now as TrafficJunky I wasn't able to get any impressions for some reason.

Rant

The thing about Tier 2 GEOs is that I have a hard time getting a lot of impressions and a hard time spending my daily budget. For 4 days, even though I have a decently high bid, ample funds and a budget of $20 a day, I was only able to spend $37 in total after those 4 days. I find it harder to gain any significant data seeing as I need impressions in order to get potential clicks and conversions. It just makes me wonder how I can scale if I have a profitable campaign when I am already getting 28% of the traffic already while only spending not even $20 a day.

Stats for 9/5-9/8



1st Campaign is Web (1 Offer) -81.57% ROI
2nd Campaign is Mobile (2 Offers) -89.91% ROI

2,466,821 Impressions, 3,722 Clicks, $0.015 (EUR) CPM, $37 (EUR) Cost, 0.15% CTR, 15.93% LP CTR, -


New Stats 9/7-9/8



1st Campaign is Web (1 Offer) -43.72% ROI
2nd Campaign is Mobile (2 Offers) -89.35% ROI

178,835 Impressions, 127 Clicks, $0.015 (EUR) CPM, $2.68 (EUR) Cost, 0.07% CTR, 42.42% LP CTR

My Plan:

There is still a lot of optimization and things that I have not tested yet. I haven't really tested any different angles, I've only take some winning aspects of a good banner and split-tested the images/gifs. I haven't done anything to the landing page since I ripped and edited it. Also, I haven't even optimized anything from Exoclick's side yet. I believe that if I improve my banner CTR, test some different angles, maybe optimize my landing page, and cut out some bad aspects on Exoclick's side, I should be able to get the web campaign green (If I can get more impressions).

Questions:

1. Exoclick has the option to choose traffic share deals and pay for a set amount of impressions daily. I would most likely get more impressions, but should I wait until I have a good funnel, because if so, I would have to wait a few days alone to even get any statistical data on my campaign seeing as I am not receieving much traffic? The CPM would be lower, no competition, but I'm not sure if it is worth it unless I for sure have a winning funnel.

2. What do you do about campaigns getting low amounts of impressions because of targetting Tier 2 GEOs.

3. I know I can easily make this campaign green if I just improve the CTR and improve the funnel a little and try a few angles. However, my problem is getting impressions. Without any eyeballs or visitors, even a good funnel is useless, what should I do?

4. Any suggestions on what I should/ can do would be great. Thanks!

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Good luck with your offers King! When you add new advertising partners, check out my network Brokerbabe. We do adult since 10 years now, in Europe we own offers and in Tier 2 markets we have some great stuff going currently in MX, BR and RO

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Thanks, I'll check it out!

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Here's a little update as I am still testing and trying to figure things out.

So I have two campaigns running. Campaign 1 - The original campaign where I was targeting ALL of Exoclick's sites. Campaign 2 - The campaign where I only targeted 12 sites which where the only sites that got conversions. The thing is, all the conversions were singular conversions meaning one site would have one conversion which is not enough data to make a clear decision, for example, some sites had 1 ad click and 1 landing page click and 1 conversions signaling a 100% on that zone.

Results:



I crossed out two campaigns to make it easier to tell which campaigns I am focusing on. Those two are the same campaigns. The top campaign is Campaign 1 with all zones targeted. The bottom campaign is Campaign 2 with just 12 zones targeted, the ones I got conversions on in Campaign 1.

Campaign 1 - Ad CTR: 9%, LP CTR: 19.06%, Spent: $9.30, Revenue: $3.00, CR: 3.09%, ROI: -67.74%

Campaign 2 - Ad CTR: 5%, LP CTR: 32.17%, Spent: $3.06, Revenue: $0.50, CR: 2.70%, ROI: -83.67%

I find it strange that Campaign 1 targeting all zones had a higher ROI then the campaign targetting only 12 zones.



So this was one of the campaigns. I had 3 zones where I got the most conversions from and I wanted to get a feel of what it would be like to target just one zone for when I decide to go with a traffic share deal. However, this campaign only spent a total of $0.04 Euros across one whole day which resulted in me getting a green campaign for that one because of the one conversion. (I won't count this as a green campaign).


My Plan:

My plan is to keep testing and trying new things until I find a profitable campaign to which I can hopefully make even more profitable with a private traffic share deal because I wouldn't have to bid and their would be no competition, plus the fixed CPM which should make it cheaper. Then hopefully, I can get a payout bump if I have quality leads after 100+ leads and further boost my ROI. But right now I need to find winning banners and zones.

Questions:

1. What exactly do people mean by "testing different angles"? For a banner, would that focus more on the wording or testing different types of girls/images?

2. Any tips on targeting specific zones for Exoclick? I'm not sure how many zones to start out with when testing as I feel like impressions is a tricky thing with Exoclick as each zone has their own amounts of impressions and some zones just don't have enough impressions to get statistical data. How would you go about targeting zones in Exoclick if you were to launch a new campaign?

3. How do you find out which Creative went with which Landing Page if you have two landing pages? I am using the tracker Voluum.

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Hello king_c, somehow I missed your follow-along, sorry for that

But I see that jabong shared some solid advice, so you've been taken care of

Now to your questions:

The angle is the message you are using in order to convert the user. In adult, the typical angles are things like "single moms looking for sex" or "find a date locally" or "shocking dating site" ... Basically, you're trying to find a hook that the users would bite on. Then you use a picture to support this angle. So for example, with the "single moms" angle, you would use an image of an older female that looks like a single mom... a sexy dressed girl doing laundry or posing in the kitchen, these would work well.

In my experience, the image is probably more important than the copy itself as it has to grab the attention of the surfer first. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be testing various copy either, they have to work well together.

Exo can be tricky for new affiliates, there are simply too many zones/sites to choose from and many of them are of very low quality. When starting something new, I always select a bunch of the premium ones and run a few tests there to see if the funnel shows promise or not. Once I got it nailed down, I open up more zones or the whole RON. It's quite common to see what you reported ... so 1 (or low amount) click and a conversion, this is impossible to optimize in any meaningful way, these small zones either work or they don't. The only thing you can do is fine tune the funnel on larger placements and then test the small ones too, to see if they convert or not.

In Voluum, open the report for a specific campaign, at the top left there are drop down menus where you can "select grouping" and then views stats by those. There is also the option to use the "drill down report" button, which will do the same thing, just one step at a time. So open campaign, select grouping by "offers" for example, click on one of the listed offers, then hit the drilldown report and it will show you the stats by offers. It's quite easy to understand, just try it out.

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Thanks! I'll look into the grouping for Voluum.

Okay, I understand what angles mean now. Thanks for clearing that up.

Yeah, Exoclick is kind of difficult to figure out just because there are so many zones and bot traffic. But the thing is, you get super cheap cpc and good targeting options. I'm going to continue to use Exoclick and try to formulate a strategy.

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I actually wrote a guide on angles quite a while ago, check it out: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...for-new-people

Cheap CPC means literally SHIT when the traffic doesn't covert, don't get fooled by that. In a bidding-based economy, the prices of traffic are set by demand, so by how much the clicks can generate for someone. Cheap clicks usually mean low quality. I'm not saying it's ALWAYS like that, but you get the idea.

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Yeah I know what you mean. The reason why my grouping doesn't work for Voluum is because I have the lowest plan which doesn't involve grouping. Do you think I should get the middle plan which involves grouping but cost double the price?

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You don't need "grouping," just drill down by Creative -> Landers -> Offers....

Then unfold the tabs (the + signs) and you'll be able to see which creative + lander + offer combo created how many number of conversions

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I'm not sure what the limitations of the lowest plan are, but as chonipaisa mentioned, you can use the drilldown reporting as it's pretty much the same, just takes a few more clicks.

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I just recently upgraded my plan, it includes grouping and other features.

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I had the most basic plan for Voluum which didn't allow grouping. I can only see one element at a time. I spoke with a member of the Voluum team about this as well. They told me only the "profit plan" allows grouping. I got the profit plan and now I can see combos of creatives + Landers + offers.

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Ok, I wasn't aware of this limitation at all, it's quite an important feature and the absence of it really takes the value of the lowest plan down, A LOT. Thanks for the headsup.

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Here's my 0.02 for your questions.

1. For TJ, try to set the budget to $20,000 for your campaigns. Obviously you won't spend that much, but when you set a low budget TJ gives you less traffic.

2. I'm not a big fan of day parting and choose to run 24/7. Some people do it, but I think your data is not significant enough to make such conclusions. Generally speaking if you can get your campaign profitable it should be profitable throughout the day. In rare instances there may be a big difference at different times of day, but I think this is fairly uncommon, and most likely not the case here.

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The reason why I set it at $25 is to have a controlled budget because the last thing I want is to blow $50 in one day to not receieve any conversions and since the rule is usually to cut offers that have spent 3 times offer payout or more.

I don't day part, I also run it 24/7 what I was talking about is that it reaches a certain time where the offer stops converting like around evening for me PDT. Maybe it's the time zone difference where people are sleeping I don't know. For you, does the campaign convert throughout the whole day?

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Just try my budget suggestion and see if it works for you. You complain about not getting enough traffic, but with a daily budget of only $25, the algorithm is not going to give you any traffic.

Just stick by your computer and check every 30 min or so, you'll see the pace of spend and can calculate from there. For TR Desktop I doubt you can spend that much in a day anyway.

As far as campaigns, yes my winning campaigns convert all throughout the day. Usually for me it's not really time of day, but rather what day of the week impacts conversions. For example generally Fri-Sun conversions are better than during the weekdays.

Again I dont think you have enough data to make those dayparting conclusions. Maybe after you run it for a month and see big discrepancies you can decide to day part, but most likely you are seeing just variance at play.

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No, for sure. I totally understand you. I'll definitely increase my budget a lot and watch my campaigns. I have the tendency to refresh my stats too much waiting for conversions which is something I was trying to do less, but I'll do it in the name of testing haha.

Yeah I understand what kind of day of the week impacts it a lot.

Also, I wasn't planning on doing dayparting at all. I've never really done dayparting before anyways and I always opt to let it run all day everyday, unless the offer sucks of course then I kill it when necessary.

But the big thing for me is definitely impressions which is so important especially to receive statistical significant data. My campaigns are also showing immense potential so I'll definitely do that to get more data. Thanks.

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Hi Matej,

When select the premium sites via Exoclicks, should we separate different campaigns base on zone type? Such as NTV A with 1 campaign, NTV B with 1 campaign, the others with 1 campaign?
Also, do you have any experience if you only select a few or 1 zones, the traffic volume will decrease or gone compare to the origin multiple zones campaign?

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