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06-24-2019 07:46 PM #1 anitaway (Member)
Mobile Content Pin Submit Learning Experience

I am following along the Vortex' 40-Day Tutorial 2019 Voluum Version and was running very first campaigns in the Sweeps vertical. I ran across this offer on an Affiliate Network and it looked promising because of the amount of conversions it's making for other affiliates.

I think it's mislabeled as "Sweeps" when it's really "Mobile Content" because the flow reads "SMS Billing, Pin Optin" and upon further research I can see it is a mobile subscription offer. But nonetheless it's making somebody $XXX/day.

The offer is called "Ganamania" on the AN and the only info is the screenshot that looks like this https://imgur.com/QPCZfpM
Payout: $0.21
Flow: SMS Billing, Pin Optin
Carriers: Tigo, Wifi
OS's: All
Restrictions: None of these: incentivized, adult, virtual currency, super rewards, iFrame

I searched AdPlexity for a mobile content subscription type lander and I found one for a mobile comics subscription offer and changed it to match my offer. https://imgur.com/1rwIDgi

I put together a wifi campaign and a carrier campaign (separately) with just the one lander and the one offer just to get an idea of what the potential was. The results are pretty bad.
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As a newbie I was curious about what the viewer was actually landing on. I really wanted to know. I thought a VPN would help. I thought the Browser Stack local would help. I finally hired a freelancer on Upwork in Honduras to visit the offer link on both data (carrier) and wifi. Turns out the actual landing offer was different than what the AN portrayed.

Wifi
https://imgur.com/IW9vbvb

Carrier (2 offer/landers rotated I guess)
https://imgur.com/40LhY2Z
https://imgur.com/EkOpbRa

I find out the wifi visitors are seeing an offer "Ganamillones" which is pretty close to the AN's offer I thought I was promoting but not exact. Was my lander "Ganamania" different enough to be losing me conversions?

The carrier visitors are not seeing the Ganamillones offer, they're seeing something else altogether. Should I create a lander based on the offer they're really landing on and serve that up to them?

Am I spending way too much time on this? Is there always going to be discrepancies when it comes to the offer? Should I go to the trouble of digging in to see the "real" offer?

Here is a conversation I had with my freelancer:

ANITA
Is TIGO and CLARO the same thing? Why does the screen shot have both in the upper left corner? It also show 2 sets of bars up there.
Can you tell me more about the TIGO/CLARO relationship?
I think the offer link is detecting that the carrier is not TIGO and therefore sending the viewer to an alternate offer for CLARO users.

FREELANCER
TIGO and Claro are different carriers, I have a double sim card phone, it gives me the option to have 2 numbers with 2 different carriers in a same phone, however with your request I made sure to open up the URL while on the TiGo sim card. The two sets of bars is because each carrier has different antennas and therefore a network, it lets me know the signal strength on each.

The TiGo/Claro relationship is similar to the everyday rivals, they are the only 2 carriers here in Honduras and have manage to eat any other small telco company that launches. They are both foreign companies. In contrast to the states here companies can’t launch propaganda diminishing the rival, they both just sell their benefits.

I actually tried with a phone that has only one sim (TiGo) and it sent me to the ¿que te depara el destino? One.


How would you proceed? Vortex?
Thank you.

06-24-2019 07:56 PM #2 twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

Short answer:

For a $0.21 payout offer it's not worth to do such deep research.

Just send some traffic and check yourself if it converts or not.

If not don't waste more time on it.

06-24-2019 07:57 PM #3 diplomat (Member)

I'd suggest finding a better-paying offer that starts like from $2 or more.

06-24-2019 08:06 PM #4 anitaway (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by diplomat View Post
I'd suggest finding a better-paying offer that starts like from $2 or more.
In our newbie follow-along Vortex' 40-Day Tutorial 2019 Version -- we start out with offers that payout under $1 just to get our footing on paid traffic. I've only just run one other campaign so far. We are also taught to seek out offers that have converted for other affiliates. That's the reason for my choices.

06-24-2019 08:33 PM #5 diplomat (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by anitaway View Post
In our newbie follow-along Vortex' 40-Day Tutorial 2019 Version -- we start out with offers that payout under $1 just to get our footing on paid traffic. I've only just run one other campaign so far. We are also taught to seek out offers that have converted for other affiliates. That's the reason for my choices.
Ah, sorry about that then. I have not read her tutorial, but I'm sure it's amazing.

07-01-2019 07:37 PM #6 peweb2005 (Member)

I was looking at the same offer in Honduras. Yes ppl promote it but I had the same questions and concerns as you. Ended that campaign - affiliate marketing is not just a number game - we should understand both the offer and customers to give them what they want, what they need, what they expect, what they are looking for. If an offers is on adplexity for a while this does not guarantee everybody can make a profitable campaign. Sometimes a small change on the lander can change the angle and turn a looser into winner but it is hard to do it when you dont understand the flow .

07-01-2019 09:30 PM #7 anitaway (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by peweb2005 View Post
We should understand both the offer and customers to give them what they want, what they need, what they expect, what they are looking for... it is hard to do it when you don't understand the flow .
I agree as a newb, I'm trying to wrap my head around the various FLOW types, how they work, what the viewer actually sees -- I feel this will help me find the right landers.
I found this great advice from Charles Ngo: Your Landing Page Doesn't Have to Look Like the Offer Page
Quote Originally Posted by twinaxe View Post
Short answer: For a $0.21 payout offer it's not worth to do such deep research. Just send some traffic and check yourself if it converts or not. If not don't waste more time on it.
But based on the little bit of feedback here from the STM Veterans... the big takeaway I got was: Just throw traffic at it and if it doesn't covert then just move on. Especially the really low payout stuff like this.

07-01-2019 09:35 PM #8 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

It's always good to know what the final offer url looks like, to make sure there won't be any major discrepancy, but to be honest I've never done such a deep research as you did.

As someone suggested above, sending some traffic will tell you whether the offer can work or not.

The key with offers like this, is to heat up the user on the LP to a point where they simply WANT it and they will subscribe no matter what.

Of course you don't want to use an iphone X on the LP and then send them to a offer that gives away some low range huawei tablet. So if you can stay somewhat generic with the LPs and try to sell the actual fact that there are prizes to win, instead of pushing a single product... that would be cool for initial testing. And once you see that the offer has potential, you can go through the hassle of obtaining real screenshots and fine-tuning your LPs for max performance.

Is there always going to be discrepancies when it comes to the offer? Should I go to the trouble of digging in to see the "real" offer?
It can be challenging to see all the offer urls, keep in mind that the advertiser can have several funnels in place either... rotating entry pages, carrier or even device specific pages etc. So as you said yourself, there will often be some "discrepancies"

07-06-2019 11:29 PM #9 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Wow I have no idea how I missed this one!! Sorry Anita! (And I think you may have mentioned it in our skype convo too - and I STILL forgot...)

Some thoughts below:


I think it's mislabeled as "Sweeps" when it's really "Mobile Content" because the flow reads "SMS Billing, Pin Optin" and upon further research I can see it is a mobile subscription offer.
There are sweeps offers that have the 1/2-click flow.


As a newbie I was curious about what the viewer was actually landing on. I really wanted to know. I thought a VPN would help. I thought the Browser Stack local would help. I finally hired a freelancer on Upwork in Honduras to visit the offer link on both data (carrier) and wifi. Turns out the actual landing offer was different than what the AN portrayed.
Wow! That's some dedication!

When I was running 1/2-click offers heavily before, I would ONLY go through this type of trouble (of paying someone to do screenshots for me) for profitable offers I was running volume for.

I wouldn't worry too much about seeing the actual offer - because as I've pointed out in the tutorial (and in many other posts on the forums), 1/2-click offers don't convert half as well as they did before, so it's not recommended to focus on them if you're after profits. I only included them in the tutorial because they're easy to run so would make a good first exercise.

Now that you have the experience of setting up your first campaign in a tracker, and verified your postback is working correctly, you can move onwards - to running SOI/DOI sweeps and CC submit sweeps for example.


I find out the wifi visitors are seeing an offer "Ganamillones" which is pretty close to the AN's offer I thought I was promoting but not exact. Was my lander "Ganamania" different enough to be losing me conversions?

The carrier visitors are not seeing the Ganamillones offer, they're seeing something else altogether. Should I create a lander based on the offer they're really landing on and serve that up to them?

Am I spending way too much time on this? Is there always going to be discrepancies when it comes to the offer? Should I go to the trouble of digging in to see the "real" offer?
In the beginning, I wouldn't go through this type of trouble - although you could!

I find that spending the MINIMUM amount of time AND budget to test LOTS of offers in the beginning, and then picking the gems to spend further time on optimizing (such as matching your lander to the offer like what you did), is way more efficient.

Most good offers should convert just with the popular/general sweeps landers from Adplexity.

Of course we can still make an effort to at least see the offer page in the beginning - but I'd only do that if it's as simple as firing up my VPN and browsing to the aff link.


Now that I've replied to your thread, further updates will show up in my feed - hopefully next time it won't take me 2 weeks (!!!) to provide feedback!




Amy

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