40 Days Challenge to Become Super Affiliate (43)
Hi guys, I joined STM forum few days ago. I am so excited to start my Affiliate Journey now! and now I decided to post a follow along thread here, because I am a super slow leaner and careless people 
so I hope every senior here can give me some correction if I am doing any mistake 
Day 1
I followed blindly from the tutorial that posted by Vortex, I had applied Mobidea as my affiliate network, Clickdealer and Gotcha still on the progress. Besides, I had register propellerads and subscript
Day 2
These are the results for my 3 offers
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I found out that my South Africa offer revenue is not match with the paid out. After I asked in the forum I get know that it is come from smartlink. However, there are few questions that I like to ask as well
1. My Egypt offer had spent $10.23 a day but does not brings any conversion so I choose to close it, am I decided too fast? Should I stopped it?
2. Why is the expenses from PropellerAds is not match with Voluum? Is my setting wrong? Or any problem?
3. Since my South Africa offer had few signups and few revenue but all are from smartlinks, should I continue this offer?
4. Based on the statistic, I can see that the offer of Costa Rica and South Africa are spending quite slow, is this normal scenario?
Thank You So Much
Day 3
There is nothing much changes today, as I mentioned my South Africa offer was getting a lot of conversion from smartlinks. I had doubled check with all my settings and all are fine, I tried to switch off the smartlink setting and see the effect. However, it does not bring me any conversions as well. Another things, my Costa Rica offer had 1 conversion already.
Questions today
1. Should choose another offer again? or I should just stop it here?
2. Why is my expenses is shown differently from propellerads and
3. Should I start landing page offer rather than direct linking offer now? It seems not much result for me
Hi @avengergogo! Welcome to STM and thanks for starting a follow-along!
Thanks for showing your stats! 2 suggestions for the next time:
1)It would be useful to tell us what the offer payouts are, so we'd see both revenue and payout for each offer to make better decisions. And if you have a few conversions, it would be good to show the placement/zone stats for each offer as well.
2)Instead of uploading images to STM, it would be much better to upload them to an image depository like imgur.com - you can copy the bbcode version of the link and past it into a post, to make the image look nice and big.
I personally even cut offers at less than 10x spend without a conversion. For example, if I'm testing a lot of offers at the same time, I may cut an offer if it doesn't convert after 5x payout. This way I would only "catch" offers that are big winners from the very start, and save on some budget. This is especially important to do if you're already starting with a blacklist of placements/zones (i.e. you've previously run a campaign in the same geo on the same traffic network, and already know which placements/zones are bad, so you're already blacklisting them before running traffic to the new offers).
This is true for all the trackers I've used.
2 main reasons for the inaccuracy:
1)The tracker will often (most of the time) record fewer clicks than the traffic source. This is called "clickloss". You can read more about it in matuloo's guide:
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...finitive-guide
2)When you're running SmartCPM, the cost for every placement/zone is different. It would be hard for traffic sources to pass back ALL of these different costs to the tracker.
I've written extensively on how to deal with this in the tutorial. To summarize, you have the following options:
1)Use the traffic source postback to pass conversions from the tracker to the traffic source. That way when you see stats from the traffic source dashboard, you can see accurate conversion data AND cost data (you'd still need to multiply the conversions by the payout to get the revenue though - easiest way to do this is to export all that data and use an excel formula to multiply conversions by payout).
2)Manually update costs in Voluum:
https://doc.Voluum.com/en/manual_cost_update.html
This will give you more accurate costs, but when you drill down to placement/zone stats the costs per zone will STILL not be accurate - as mentioned above, because you're running SmartCPM, each zone will cost different, and there's no way for the tracker to know that info.
3)Export cost data from traffic source, export revenue data from tracker, and combine them. This is the most accurate way but is the most troublesome. This spreadsheet will help you combine data:
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...pampamp-easily
4)Just optimize the campaign based on rough estimates. This is what I do. This method isn't the most accurate, but for pop I prefer being FAST and not-too-accurate, because running lots of campaigns at the same time to test and scale quickly is the best approach. So what I do is:
a)Compare campaign's actual cost to tracker cost to figure out the difference in percentage. So for example, if PropellerAds charged $10 but the tracker costs only shows $8, then I'd know to add another 25% to costs I see in the tracker.
b)Add that percentage to all costs I see in the tracker. Using the same example above, if I'm looking at placement stats in the tracker, I would mentally add 25% to the cost of each placement.
I'm worried about that more than anything else. Can you please show me all your campaign targeting on the traffic network, as well as a description of your offer (that shows what traffic they accept)?
It's very important that you learn how to target properly - otherwise you'd just be wasting traffic. I'm not saying you were targeting incorrectly for certain, but want to make sure you weren't.
However, make sure you're not limiting traffic with your budget - if you're exhausting your daily budget before the day is over, then you know your budget is limiting the traffic.
You've run enough 1/2-click offers. Good exercise and good job! Now please don't run these offers anymore - they were just for practice and not for profits. It would be difficult to make profits direct-linking to this type of offers now.
You're now ready to move onto the lessons that talk about landing pages!
Amy
Originally Posted by vortex
Thanks for showing your stats! 2 suggestions for the next time:
1)It would be useful to tell us what the offer payouts are, so we'd see both revenue and payout for each offer to make better decisions. And if you have a few conversions, it would be good to show the placement/zone stats for each offer as well.
2)Instead of uploading images to STM, it would be much better to upload them to an image depository like imgur.com - you can copy the bbcode version of the link and past it into a post, to make the image look nice and big.
That was a good decision - I'm assuming the offer payout is below $1. If I'm right, then $10 is 10 times the payout - usually when you run 10x payout's worth of traffic to an offer and get no conversion, it would be wise to stop running the offer.
I personally even cut offers at less than 10x spend without a conversion. For example, if I'm testing a lot of offers at the same time, I may cut an offer if it doesn't convert after 5x payout. This way I would only "catch" offers that are big winners from the very start, and save on some budget. This is especially important to do if you're already starting with a blacklist of placements/zones (i.e. you've previously run a campaign in the same geo on the same traffic network, and already know which placements/zones are bad, so you're already blacklisting them before running traffic to the new offers).
It's very difficult / impossible for the cost in Voluum to be exactly the same as the actual cost on the traffic source.
This is true for all the trackers I've used.
2 main reasons for the inaccuracy:
1)The tracker will often (most of the time) record fewer clicks than the traffic source. This is called "clickloss". You can read more about it in matuloo's guide:
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...finitive-guide
2)When you're running SmartCPM, the cost for every placement/zone is different. It would be hard for traffic sources to pass back ALL of these different costs to the tracker.
I've written extensively on how to deal with this in the tutorial. To summarize, you have the following options:
1)Use the traffic source postback to pass conversions from the tracker to the traffic source. That way when you see stats from the traffic source dashboard, you can see accurate conversion data AND cost data (you'd still need to multiply the conversions by the payout to get the revenue though - easiest way to do this is to export all that data and use an excel formula to multiply conversions by payout).
2)Manually update costs in Voluum:
https://doc.Voluum.com/en/manual_cost_update.html
This will give you more accurate costs, but when you drill down to placement/zone stats the costs per zone will STILL not be accurate - as mentioned above, because you're running SmartCPM, each zone will cost different, and there's no way for the tracker to know that info.
3)Export cost data from traffic source, export revenue data from tracker, and combine them. This is the most accurate way but is the most troublesome. This spreadsheet will help you combine data:
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...pampamp-easily
4)Just optimize the campaign based on rough estimates. This is what I do. This method isn't the most accurate, but for pop I prefer being FAST and not-too-accurate, because running lots of campaigns at the same time to test and scale quickly is the best approach. So what I do is:
a)Compare campaign's actual cost to tracker cost to figure out the difference in percentage. So for example, if PropellerAds charged $10 but the tracker costs only shows $8, then I'd know to add another 25% to costs I see in the tracker.
b)Add that percentage to all costs I see in the tracker. Using the same example above, if I'm looking at placement stats in the tracker, I would mentally add 25% to the cost of each placement.
If you're only getting conversion from smartlinks, that means maybe you're not targeting the right traffic that is accepted by your offer.
I'm worried about that more than anything else. Can you please show me all your campaign targeting on the traffic network, as well as a description of your offer (that shows what traffic they accept)?
It's very important that you learn how to target properly - otherwise you'd just be wasting traffic. I'm not saying you were targeting incorrectly for certain, but want to make sure you weren't.
If you're only targeting 3g/4g traffic on one mobile carrier, then yes, that can happen.
However, make sure you're not limiting traffic with your budget - if you're exhausting your daily budget before the day is over, then you know your budget is limiting the traffic.
You've run enough 1/2-click offers. Good exercise and good job! Now please don't run these offers anymore - they were just for practice and not for profits. It would be difficult to make profits direct-linking to this type of offers now.
You're now ready to move onto the lessons that talk about landing pages!
Amy
Originally Posted by avengergogo
Amy
FINALLY! I had started my first landing page offer now. Hope to get some good result. Not sure whether my steps are having any mistake. Please correct me if my steps or any settings are wrong!
Offer 1
Offer: Coupons & Vouchers - SG - 3G + Wifi - Sheng SiongGeo: Singapore
Paid out : $1.40
Affiliate Network:
Final Offer URL: https://www.rotatemyurls.com/offer/164143|19340?tag={clickid}&website={trafficsource. id}&placement={campaign.id}
Offer 2
Offer: Sheng Siong Groceries Voucher (SG) - 3G + Wifi Geo: Singapore
Paid out : $1.28
Affiliate Network: Maxbounty
Final Offer URL: https://www.mb103.com/lnk.asp?o=16026&c=918277&a=395584&k=B7B3646540301D BCFDDE667C4ADC19DC&l=17124&S2={clickid}&S3={traffi csource.id}&S4={campaign.id} (not sure whether my link are setting correctly or not)
Also, I had fixed up to 5 landing pages to testing as well, and here's are the url
LP 1: newoffernow.xyz/L1/index.html
LP 2: newoffernow.xyz/L2/index.html
LP 3: newoffernow.xyz/L3/index.html
LP 4: newoffernow.xyz/L4/index.html
LP 5: newoffernow.xyz/L5/index.html
*All of my landing pages loading speed are below 1.5 second
Settings on PropellerAds
Hope that all my steps are correct! and show good results tomorrow
I think you should experiment more with offers and geos unfortunately. Especially if you run mobile offers. It can be easily be not your geo, not your creative and not your offer. Diversify your activity in other big networks as well.
Originally Posted by natifico
any big networks that you recommend?
Hi Guys, I am back to report my offers situation today! Here's my summary
Offer 1
Offer Name: Coupons & Vouchers - SG - 3G + Wifi - Sheng Siong (from Mobidea)
Cost: $1.83 (10th June - 11th June)
Clicks: 295
Revenue : 0
Profit: -$1.83
Offer 2
Offer Name: Sheng Siong Groceries Voucher (SG) - 3G + Wifi (from Maxbounty)
Cost: $1.86 (10th June - 11th June)
Clicks: 318
Revenue : 0
Profit: -$1.86
QUESTIONS
1. The target country of my offer is Singapore, but when I check
2. I realised that the numbers of clicks that shown at
Mobidea's statistic
Maxbounty statistic
3. The budget I set for PropellerAds is $10 per day but it spents only $3 - $4 is this normal?
4. Should I let it run more few days to judge whether to continue this offer or not? Since it does not bring even 1 conversion to me
Hi Guys, I am back to report my offers situation today again! Here's my summary
Offer 1
Offer Name: Coupons & Vouchers - SG - 3G + Wifi - Sheng Siong (from
Cost: $3.80 (10th June - 12th June)
Clicks: 554
Revenue : 0
Profit: -$3.80
Offer 2
Offer Name: Sheng Siong Groceries Voucher (SG) - 3G + Wifi (from Maxbounty)
Cost: $3.87 (10th June - 12th June)
Clicks: 639
Revenue : 0
Profit: -$3.87
QUETIONS
1. It is actually same question as yesterday. Why is country India and Indonesia is able to click my landing page? I had set the location as Singapore at PropellerAds. Besides, there are about 69.23% of suspicious clicks of my landing page from India country. Why is this happening so? Is my setup wrong? But I had read the tutorial for few times and ensure my steps are all right.
2. I worried whether my setup was wrong, so I asked for help from my Singapore friend and he did click on my campaign url, and answer all the questions in my landing page. However, the final offer page that my friend visit is NOT SAME as the screenshot that shown at
the visitor should look at this page
but this is page that my Singapore friend saw
Anyone can help me on this? 
Things That I Gonna Do
1. Find other sweeps offer such as win iphone and start to run by today or tomorrow
Very nice progress!
Regarding your shengsiong landing pages: Looking good! Opportunity for improvement: Try to make pages shorter so that the buttons appear above the fold when viewed in mobile, i.e. people can click on them without scrolling. People hate to scroll, especially if it's an ad.
Propeller campaign settings all good.
Offer Name: Coupons & Vouchers - SG - 3G + Wifi - Sheng Siong (from Mobidea)
Cost: $1.83 (10th June - 11th June)
Clicks: 295
Revenue : 0
Profit: -$1.83
Offer 2
Offer Name: Sheng Siong Groceries Voucher (SG) - 3G + Wifi (from Maxbounty)
Cost: $1.86 (10th June - 11th June)
Clicks: 318
Revenue : 0
Profit: -$1.86
Generally speaking, you should see less and less traffic as you go from traffic source > tracker > aff network, even when direct-linking without using a lander. This is referred to as clickloss (matuloo has an excellent thread on that topic if you want to do a search).
Pop traffic includes bot traffic or "fake" traffic (i.e. non-human traffic). The best we can do is identify placements (zones) that have high percentages of bot traffic and blacklist them to avoid wasting money.
However, note that bot detection methods - including the anti-fraud feature by Voluum - may not be accurate. I haven't done extensive testing on this feature yet, but I've noticed that some profitable placements were flagged by Voluum as having very high percentages of suspicious traffic.
What you can do is blacklist placements that have high percentages of fraud traffic first, and then when your campaign is profitable, unblacklist the placements to test them again - if they don't convert after 2x payout (for example), cut them then. This MAY help you to get profitable more quickly.
I tripled-checked your propellerads settings - you're targeting 3G+Wifi traffic in SG, which is what the offers accept.
Maybe it's one of those IP database inaccuracies again. Could you ask your friend to try from both wifi and 3G? Also, have you tried yourself by using a VPN?
If you'd PM me the link I can give it a try - but please update this thread to let me know you've PM'ed, because I normally don't check PMs (I've given up on keeping up - way too many than I could ever reply to).
Great progress and great questions! This is great practice for a 1st campaign using landers. You're not getting much traffic though - I would expect you to be getting a lot more than just $2-3's worth of traffic a day. How many impressions are you getting every day?
Amy
@vortex Thank you so much for your reply! It is really happy to see your reply here
PropellerAds
Voluum
However, note that bot detection methods - including the anti-fraud feature by Voluum - may not be accurate. I haven't done extensive testing on this feature yet, but I've noticed that some profitable placements were flagged by Voluum as having very high percentages of suspicious traffic.
What you can do is blacklist placements that have high percentages of fraud traffic first, and then when your campaign is profitable, unblacklist the placements to test them again - if they don't convert after 2x payout (for example), cut them then. This MAY help you to get profitable more quickly.
Hi Guys, I am back to report my offers situation today again! Here's my summary
Offer 1
Offer Name: Coupons & Vouchers - SG - 3G + Wifi - Sheng Siong (from Mobidea)
Date : 10th June - 14th June
This is the result from
Offer 2
Offer Name: Sheng Siong Groceries Voucher (SG) - 3G + Wifi (from Maxbounty)
Date: 10th June - 14th June
This is the result from
Campaign Report
From Voluum,
From PropellerAds,
QUESTIONS
That's it from today. Still ZERO conversion. Well it seems like really not a good offer I guess? I planned to run some "wining iphone/samsung" campaign, but bad case the only affiliate I had now is just only Mobidea & Maxbounty. I had tried to apply Gotzha, Peerfly and Clickdealer. However, Gotzha and Peerfly is not reply me anything yet it is already 4-5 days I guess and Clickdealer had rejected my application. Based on vortex tutorial, I believe we should choose 2-5 offers to do some testing for beginner but it is sad to say Mobidea has only one "wining iphone/samsung" offer and Maxbounty do not have this kind of offer for Singapore and any other Tier 3/4 country. So any recommendation here? Should I just go on for 1 offer with 5 Landing pages for testing?
Thanks for providing the numbers from Propeller and
LOL you absolutely have a point in saying that without conversions, you won't be able to cut placements. The problem is you're receiving too little traffic. How many days did you have to run to get the 9742 impressions in your screenshot?
You can also try increasing your bid to see how much more traffic you'll get - try $1.50 or maybe $2.
I set my HMA VPN to Singapore to test your campaign link - was able to see your landers, click through, but only able to see ONE of the offers - the Maxbounty one:
I tried browsing to the offer link for the Mobidea offer, but wasn't able to see the offer page. All I saw was this:
It may be because Mobidea is using a database of known VPNs, and redirecting the traffic. May be worth it to check with your Mobidea AM.
At any rate, if you're worried, then just promote the maxbounty offer (and look for more offers from other networks).
The way I personal do it is I almost never check offer pages in the beginning - I just run traffic and cut offers that don't convert. For offers that DO convert, I would sometimes look at the offer page - especially if the offer is converting very well and I want to customize my landers for the specific offer (similar wording, same color-scheme etc. - to make the landers "jive" better with the offer).
But checking offer pages like you're doing can save on test budget - so good job!
This was a very good attempt of your 1st landing page campaign. For your next campaign, let's pick a geo with more traffic - we'll have some fun analyzing stats!
One last thing: Have you checked your stats on the affiliate networks (i.e. when you're logged into their dashboard) to make sure you haven't made any conversions? Just to rule out the possibility that your postback may be incorrect.
Amy
That's it from today. Still ZERO conversion. Well it seems like really not a good offer I guess? I planned to run some "wining iphone/samsung" campaign, but bad case the only affiliate I had now is just only
If you run 10x payout's worth of traffic to an offer and don't even get a single conversion, that's not a good sign. Try running a few more dollars to each offer, and if you STILL don't get a conversion, stop both.
Yes feel free to just test 1 offer if you really can't find more. It's not "wrong" - in fact there's seldom absolute rights and wrongs in the way we do things - it's just that if you have more offers, your chances of hitting on a good one are better.
Also, because it takes a lot of time to fix up landers, it would just be more "worth it" if you run multiple offers using the same landers. That's all. Doesn't mean you can't prepare a set of landers to run a single offer.
Regarding networks: Have you checked out that network application tool we have?
https://stmforum.com/central-vendor-app/
It lets you apply to one to 20 networks at a time. Worth a shot!
Don't be afraid of rejections. The more doors you knock on, the more will open. And once you start running volume, more doors will open to you.
Great progress! Buckle down and keep testing. Focus on setting up more and more campaigns. You WILL make your first conversion - and the more offers and landers you test, the more likely you'll hit on your first profitable campaign earlier!
Amy
Mobidea statistic
Maxbounty statistic
postback setting at Mobidea
postback setting at Maxbounty (I followed the instruction that gave by the people from Voluum with this guide https://doc.Voluum.com/en/adding_maxbounty_offer.html)
https://stmforum.com/central-vendor-app/
It lets you apply to one to 20 networks at a time. Worth a shot!
Thank You So Much!
Hi Guys, I am back to report my offers situation today again! Since the voucher offer is not bringing any conversion after 5 days, I had decided to stop it first and start another campaign which is :-
Offer: 19094 - Sweepstakes - 3G + Wifi - iPhone XS
Paid out: $1.40
Geo: Singapore
Affiliate Network:
Final Offer Link: https://www.rotatemyurls.com/offer/164143|19094?tag={clickid}&website={trafficsource. id}&placement={campaign.id}
I try to use 4 landing page this time:-
https://newoffernow.xyz/iphonexs/1/index.html
https://newoffernow.xyz/iphonexs/2/index.html?brand={brand}&model={model}
https://newoffernow.xyz/iphonexs/3/index.html
https://newoffernow.xyz/iphonexs/4/index.html
And let's see how it is going tomorrow!
Hey Avengergogo,
The SG offers that you are running came from the same advertiser. As we see now,their Mcdonald and cold storage offers have better performance with fb traffic which target female 35+.
Originally Posted by mobvista
The SG offers that you are running came from the same advertiser. As we see now,their Mcdonald and cold storage offers have better performance with fb traffic which target female 35+.
Will look into it soon
Hi Guys, I am back to report my offers situation today again!
Offer: 19094 - Sweepstakes - 3G + Wifi - iPhone XS
Paid out: $1.40
Budget per day: $10
Geo: Singapore
Statistic From Mobidea (16 - 17 June)
Statistic From PropellerAds (16 - 17 June)
Statistic From
Statistic From LP 1 (16 - 17 June)
Statistic From LP 2 (16 - 17 June)
Statistic From LP 3 (16 - 17 June)
Statistic From LP 4 (16 - 17 June)
FINALLY! I got my first conversion for my first ever CAMPAIGN! Although it is not much and still NEGATIVE ROI, but it is a very good learning opportunity to me, hope that it can brings more conversion after that. There are few questions that I am going to listing down and I will list down the steps that I plan to do for the next step as well.
QUESTIONS
1. Based on my statistic, you guys may notice that the I had 1 conversion at 16 June 2019 which shown at the statistic of Mobidea but it does not shown at the my
2. As you guys can see, my LP 4 statistic shown it is 100% suspicious clicks and cost me $4.23 so should I stop running it? or let it run more few days and see? Am I too fast to do the judgement? since it is just running 2 days only
Things I Am Going to Do
1. I am going to exclude the Zone ID which cost me a lot and looks like Bot
2. I am going to lower down my bidding rate since me cost me too fast
That's all for today! Do you guys have any recommendation/suggestion for my campaign? Please feel free to leave your comment below
Hi Guys, I am back to report my offers situation today again!
Offer: 19094 - Sweepstakes - 3G + Wifi - iPhone XS
Paid out: $1.40
Budget per day: $10
Geo: Singapore
Statistic From Mobidea (16 - 19 June)
Statistic From PropellerAds (16 - 19 June)
Statistic From
Statistic From LP 1 (16 - 19 June)
Statistic From LP 2 (16 - 19 June)
Statistic From LP 3 (16 - 19 June)
After running 4 days of the campaign, I had 3 conversions. Well, I cant say this is a good result but it still better than previous campaign. Anyway at 17th June, I had exclude a few Zone ID which brings higher percentage of suspicious clicks and also stopped running Landing Page 4 as it brings 100% suspicious clicks. Then I try to reduce my CPM rate from $2 to $1 so it cost me too fast. After 2 days, it brings me one conversion. So is this meaning I am doing the right decision?
QUESTIONS
1. I feel that it is too slow to bring conversion. Is there any method to improve?
2. Same question as previous, why is the first conversion is not able to track by
3. Since my LP 2 had bring 3 conversions, is this meaning I should focus on LP 2 only and stop others LP?
4. Should I start another offer instead of running this offer only? But I am still lacking experience, I worry it burns me a lot of money
5. I notice that the Clicks from Mobidea is totally not match with the statistic from my Voluum. I am running 4 Landing Page and it should brings a lot of clicks does it? but it shown only 30+ or even less than 10 clicks. Why is this happening so?
That's all for today! Do you guys have any recommendation/suggestion for my campaign? Please feel free to leave your comment below
Hi Guys, I am back to report my offers situation today again!
Offer: 19094 - Sweepstakes - 3G + Wifi - iPhone XS
Paid out: $1.40
Budget per day: $10
Geo: Singapore
Statistic From Mobidea (16 - 21 June)
Statistic From PropellerAds (16 - 21 June)
Statistic From
Statistic From LP 1 (16 - 21 June)
Statistic From LP 2 (16 - 21 June)
Statistic From LP 3 (16 - 21 June)
After running 6 days of campaign, it brings me about 4 conversions and cost me $39 in total. Do you guys think I should stop this offer already? Since I had tried reduce zone ID and landing page, but it can't bring me too much conversion yet so it is still negative ROI now
QUESTIONS
1. Same question as previous, why is the first conversion is not able to track by
2. Do you guys think I should stop landing page 1 & 3 and just focus on Landing page 2 only? since they cost me so much without any single one conversions
3. Anymore optimization method can suggest?
4. I notice that the Clicks from Mobidea is totally not match with the statistic from my Voluum. I am running 4 Landing Page and it should brings a lot of clicks does it? but it shown only 30+ or even less than 10 clicks. Why is this happening so?
Things To Do
I planned to run South Africa win iPhone Xs campaign tomorrow as I feel that the progress is too slow. I was thinking to start antivirus offer as well. Is there any recommendation for AntiVirus offer? Does it still working?
That's all for today! Do you guys have any recommendation/suggestion for my campaign? Please feel free to leave your comment below
When in doubt, you basically have 2 choices: Either don't run the offer, or run the offer and cut it when it doesn't perform (well enough, or at all; usually spending up to 10x payout without a conversion would be a good indication that the offer is a dud).
You can also try running at Zeropark - I remember they have more SG volume. (However, I would suggest to only take campaigns that are profitable on PropellerAds, to scale to Zeropark traffic. This is because overall speaking, I find the Propeller's traffic converts better. Zeropark has volume because they get traffic from lots of partner networks - the larger volume is a plus, but the compromise is that quality can be lower on average because quality can differ widely between partner networks.)
I also need to see a few more things to determine whether the postbacks were set up correctly or not:
1)The original postback url you got from
2)The offer urls you pasted into
If it works you'll see conversions being posted back. If not, you won't.
But in your case, SOME of the conversions are being posted back and not others.
I will take a look at your postback settings when you provide the info I asked for above. But I'm beginning to feel that maybe you should just run offers from other networks. Mobidea no longer has that many offers nowadays anyways.
So if anything, you'd want to drill down into zones, then cut zones that contain too much suspicious traffic. But like I may have mentioned before - once your campaign is profitable, you may want to retest the zones you've cut due to high percentages of suspicious traffic as identified by Voluum, because a high percentage of suspicious traffic may not mean bad conversion rate. (I need to design a test and collect data and do a detailed analysis when I get a chance, to establish this correlation.)
Secondly: Your landers have only received a few clicks each. Caurmen suggested collecting at least 30 impressions when trying to determine % bot traffic (visits). I'd say it'd be appropriate to use similar criterion for clicks - so collect 30 clicks before making a decision.
HOWEVER, it would take quite a lot of cost to collect 30+ clicks. So I would suggest to just follow the usual suggested criterion for cutting zones/placements: when it's at over 2x payout in loss.
2. I am going to lower down my bidding rate since me cost me too fast
2. That's fine, but keep in mind that bidding lower can also lower the traffic quality (the general trend is that other advertisers will bid higher for zones that convert well for them, and cut zones that don't convert well - so the lower you bid, the less traffic you'll get from the good zones and the more traffic you'll get from the bad zones). If I were you, and I want to spend money more slowly, I would set a lower daily budget instead, and switch to distributed traffic mode.
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...Banners-Part-1
Also, you can't conclude anything based on 1 conversion.
And unfortunately, you won't be able to cut landers accurately now, because 2 of your conversions are missing - you don't know which lander made those conversions.
However, if an offer is hopeless, then stop spending additional money.
I would normally ask you to show me screenshots of zone/placement stats (etc.) to see whether there's hope, but one of your offers isn't posting conversions to Voluum - so there's no way to evaluate that offer.
Like I've mentioned, it would have been nice if we could analyze stats at this point - I would have loved to tell you how to decide whether the campaign has hope or not. But with 2 of the conversions missing, we can't really make decisions.
Generally speaking we should be seeing the opposite: Usually you'd see FEWER clicks at the affiliate network. This is known at clickloss:
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...finitive-guide
Perhaps there is a timezone difference between your Voluum stats and Mobidea stats?
Your LP2's ROI isn't terrible - if one or both of the "missing" conversions were made by the same lander, we'd have a lot of hope.
2. Do you guys think I should stop landing page 1 & 3 and just focus on Landing page 2 only? since they cost me so much without any single one conversions
3. Anymore optimization method can suggest?
4. I notice that the Clicks from Mobidea is totally not match with the statistic from my Voluum. I am running 4 Landing Page and it should brings a lot of clicks does it? but it shown only 30+ or even less than 10 clicks. Why is this happening so?
I want you to stop running this campaign, and check something for me:
Check your landers 1, 3, and 4. Check all the outgoing urls AND MAKE SURE they're the voluum click url.
It's really weird that only half the conversions got posted back. I want to see whether it's Mobidea's problem or yours.
To summarize about this campaign: Because of the missing conversions, we can't make any decisions, or optimize the campaign. We can't cut zones or landers because they may have made the conversions that are "missing". You still gained experience in running a campaign which is good. But we need to pinpoint the reason for the missing conversions BEFORE you start your next campaign, so that the same thing won't happen again.
I planned to run South Africa win iPhone Xs campaign tomorrow as I feel that the progress is too slow. I was thinking to start antivirus offer as well. Is there any recommendation for AntiVirus offer? Does it still working?
Antivirus offers are tricky to run on Propellerads - they don't accept misleading landers that contain trademarks, or landers that say " You have x viruses!" If you want to run AV, try Adcash, PopCash, PopAds.
But let's solve the mystery of the missing conversions first.
Good progress! Sorry for the delay in replying - I've been busy with other STM projects. Will try to keep a closer eye on you.
Amy
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...Banners-Part-1
Also, you can't conclude anything based on 1 conversion.
And unfortunately, you won't be able to cut landers accurately now, because 2 of your conversions are missing - you don't know which lander made those conversions.
Check your landers 1, 3, and 4. Check all the outgoing urls AND MAKE SURE they're the voluum click url.
Or you can access my LP 1,3,4 page source and see whether my click url is correct?
https://newoffernow.xyz/iphonexs/1/index.html
https://newoffernow.xyz/iphonexs/3/index.html
https://newoffernow.xyz/iphonexs/4/index.html
By the way, I also decided to stop using Voluum and change to Binom after few days as it cost me too much
Amy
Hi GUYS, I am BACK!! I am busying on my work recently so it is hard for me to update my followalong, also I had stopped running campaign for almost a week as I had stopped
As I followed the tutorial that wrote by @vortex, I had finished setup the binom tracker. Then I set the global postback setting at
The Offer I running
Offer: 19094 - Sweepstakes - SG - 3G + Wifi - iPhone XsPaid Out: $1.40
GEO: Singapore
Affiliate Network: Mobidea
Final URL: https://www.rotatemyurls.com/offer/164143|19094?tag={clickid}&website={trafficsource} &placement={campaign}
I added Mobidea as affiliate network in Binom as picture shown
I added the offer I choose in Binom as picture shown
Also I had added 3 landers in Binom as well and here's the url
newoffernow.xyz/iphonexs/1s/index.html
newoffernow.xyz/iphonexs/2s/index.html
newoffernow.xyz/iphonexs/3s/index.html
Lastly, I had created a campaign which setting shown below (not sure whether is 100% correct)
Things I am going to do and Questions
1. I planned to run 2 South Africa sweepstake offer for testing, but I was thinking to change to Push Traffic is it recommended to do so? Is there any minimum budget to get into games of Push Traffic?
2. I am going to do the bot detection setup tomorrow which follow exactly from the tutorial that taught by @caurmen (https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...live-campaigns)
That's all for today, is there any steps that I done wrong please do let me know or any suggestion for me, please do leave a comment below. Thank You so much!
Hi Guys, I am back again! Is not really a lucky day for today. Here's the report of my result
Offer: 19094 - Sweepstakes - SG - 3G + Wifi - iPhone XsPaid Out: $1.40
GEO: Singapore
Affiliate Network:
Final URL: https://www.rotatemyurls.com/offer/164143|19094?tag={clickid}&website={trafficsource} &placement={campaign}
Campaign Report of Binom
Statistic from
Statistic from Propellerads
It is too weird, why is my campaign has 1694 clicks but there is 0 clicks at Mobidea? I am sure there is something wrong at my setting, but as you guys see from the above threads, I had posted out all my settings, I just follow exactly from the threads that written by @vortex. Also I had replace my tracking link as well when I fixed my landing page, are I am adding the wrong tracking url to my landing page?
is anyone know how to fix this problem? 
2. I am going to do the bot detection setup tomorrow which follow exactly from the tutorial that taught by @caurmen (https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...live-campaigns)
As for your tracking setup - it's practically impossible to send 1239 impressions to landers without a single lander click. I've verified all your screenshots - everything looks correct. The only thing I haven't seen are your landers - I bet that's where the problem is!
I know you said you've replaced the outgoing links with the
Also make sure that the lander urls you entered into
Also: Verify your targeting at the traffic source to make sure you're targeting the correct geo. (In case you're targeting a wrong geo that doesn't understand the language on your landers. This is very unlikely, but just so we're covering all bases.)
Lastly: Clear your browser cache, and then paste your binom campaign url into your browser. Do this several times and each time click through the lander. Then check your binom stats to see whether the LP CTR changes from the original 0.
Please report back your findings so that if necessary, we can do more troubleshooting to find the cause.
Amy
As the picture show my traffic is from Singapore so means that I am targeting the right country as my offer is targeted Singapore country
This is the click url for my
this is the page sources of my landing page 1,2,3 and as you guys can see that I had inserted it. Or I had insert the wrong url?
3rd and last variable to test at push = push ads.
Did you try my last suggestion?
Amy
YES, I tried but it is still the same....but the most strangest part is, it does not redirect to my offer page but just shown the click url with blank page
Why is this happen so?
following up as I am also a newbie very intrested and joining the challnge
Finally! the url is working, I had tried my campaign URL ( https://trackingzzz.xyz/click.php?ke...rier={carrier} ) and it successfully redirect to my offer, but it is weird, it is not coming out the offer page but looking like this
I had changed my VPN to Singapore as my offer is targeted Singapore country, but it does not redirect to my offer page and I am sure it is allow for WiFi network. However, it is still able to record the number of visits even though the page looking weird
So I am still not 100% solved the problem yet, why is this happening?
Ah OK! Then you'll need to speak with your AM. Only they can find out what's going on with the offer.
In the meantime, just promote other offers.
Amy
Thanks! @vortex I will check again with
However, I already started to run another 2 offers as well and here's are the details:-
Offer 1
Offer Name: Sweepstakes - ZA - Vodacom - iPhone New Sweepstakes
Geo: South Africa
Paid Out: $2.10
Affiliate Network:
Offer 2
Offer Name: Mobiplus - South Africa - MOBILE - SOI - Win iPhone XS
Geo: South Africa
Paid Out: $0.74
Affiliate Network: Mappstreet
Here's the report of this 2 offers:-
So far still ZERO conversions. Honestly, I am still very blur on optimization. I not sure what are the next steps I should do? Since is zero conversions means it is really hardly for me to do any optimization, and what if this situation keep on happen for few days? Stop the campaign and start another offer? It seems like an endless process, since when only I got my first winning offer? I am really getting bit of lost right now, anyone can give me suggestion?
I am new as well but the general rule of thumb is to stop running traffic if there's no conversation after 10x payout spent according to Amy.
Using offer 1 as an example, Payout $2.10. 10x of payout = $21. In theory, you can continue running traffic to offer 1 until you spend $21 on each lander. (i.e. total potential budget needed for offer 1= $21 * 4 = $84). I think this is the reason why Amy recommended beginners to test offer that is less than $1 for a start as it will be less costly.
If I am you in this situation, I will probably cut LP4 as the CTR is significantly lower as compared to the other landers and I will have extra funds for more testing. Just my 2cents.
Anyway, I tried your campaign URL and it's working well (I am from Singapore)
Originally Posted by thickeyebrows
Hello @vortex and GUYS! I am back to report again. Currently, I am running 3 different country, but all are "win iPhone" offers. Here are the details of the reports:-
South Africa Offer (5 - 7 July 2019)
Offer 1
Offer Name: Sweepstakes - ZA - Vodacom - iPhone New Sweepstakes
Geo: South Africa
Paid Out: $2.10
Affiliate Network:
Bidding Rate: $2.4 CPM
Offer 2
Offer Name: Mobiplus - South Africa - MOBILE - SOI - Win iPhone XS
Geo: South Africa
Paid Out: $0.74
Affiliate Network: Mappstreet
Bidding Rate: $2.4 CPM
Leads: 2 (but is smartlink)
Revenue: $0.24
Total Cost: $26.73
Singapore Offer (2 - 7 July 2019)
Offer Name: Sweepstakes - SG - 3G + Wifi - iPhone Xs
Geo: Singapore
Paid Out: $1.40
Affiliate Network:
Bidding Rate: $1.3 CPM
Leads: 0
Revenue: $0
Total Cost: $7.23
Malaysia Offer (6 July 2019)
Offer Name: Sweepstakes - MY - 3G - Win an iPhone X
Geo: Malaysia
Paid Out: $1.57
Affiliate Network: Mobidea
Bidding Rate: $1.7 CPM
Leads: 0
Revenue: $0
Total Cost: $17.64
Well, it is still no revenue so far, still stuggling on getting winning formula for my campaign. Anyway, here's my questions for today
1. Based on the statistic of my Malaysia offer, it is a bit weird as the LP 3 is zero LP clicks, but the others LP are having clicks, is this normal?
2. The percentage of LP CTR of my South Africa is 26.76% while for the LP CTR of Malaysia is 4.77%. Is this normal? it a good sign for my South Africa offer?
3. The Singapore Offer are running about 3 weeks, but still looks not much profit, any suggestion for this offer?
That's all! Do you guys have any recommendation? Please feel free to drop a comment below! Thank You so much!
Just wanted to thank you avengergogo and vortex for this thread. It's outstanding. Everywhere I turn, I see a topdown approach (ie expert to newbie). Of course, this does make sense. But as a newbie, I'm always in the position of a bottoms-up approach. As in, 'I just spent $10.30, zero conversions and my tracker is misfiring. What do I do?' Both avengergogo and vortex have allowed me in on this real-life scene from a smart (and persistent!) newbie getting instruction from an expert. I really do appreciate this, and thank you!
Originally Posted by devdev
Don't give up and let's work together! 
As long as you believe and persist, good results will coming soon.
Thanks @thickeyebrows that's solid advice!
@avengergogo How many landing pages are you using? You need to make sure that at least one of the landers are good converters. If you're only testing one lander and it's broken or loads slowly (for example), you could test lots of offers and not get good results.
This id a numbers game - the more offers you test, the better your chances of finding winners. The process if somewhat dimilar to mining - you need to blast through lots of rocks to find the few diamonds.
Knowing how to be efficient with your testing is important too. You need to know how to limit your spend and yet still "catch" the winning offers.
Also, knowing how to narrow down offers to test will help! For example, doing research in spy tools to find offers with good indication of promise, and building good relationships with affiliate managers so they would tell you about the best and latest opportunities.
It's natural to feel lost in the beginning. But I assure you that it will get better with experience. It's hard to get past the fear of testing lots of stuff to find winners - but if you read through lots of newbie alongs, you'll see that testing lots of offers (and stuff like targeting and traffic networks) is one of the most major factor of success. It's usually after this point that the affiliate would find more consistent success.
Amy
Sent from my SM-G930W8 using STM Forums mobile app
Then it's just a matter of testing more offers. You'll find something. It's a numbers game.
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...de-(AdPlexity)
Amy
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