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05-10-2019 07:51 PM #1 user42 (Member)
VA to Launch Campaigns?

I'm doing enough volume to have 5-6 hours dedicated to just launching offers. And I mean literally just copying and pasting campaign name and url on traffic networks. Obviously I realize that this is not the best way to go at all. I have considered software, scripts or automation tools to automatically launch my campaigns for me.

However, a VA would be the optimal solution here. The only problem would be that the VA would have access to everything that is currently making the campaign profitable. This is the only fear thats preventing me from outsourcing this task that desperately needs to be outsourced ASAP.

So for those of you guys who have teams, do you have VAs to launch camps for you on traffic sources? Or do yo use tools?

And by campaign launching I mean literally just copying and pasting campaign url and other details as required by the traffic source which I already have the details for as a VA from my team always prepares an excel file with the required data. So all I'm spending 5-6 hours doing is copying and pasting from an excel sheet to the traffic source. Not the best way to go about things.

05-10-2019 08:48 PM #2 patmue (Member)

for my point of view. i think you are the reason why are campaigns profitable, without knowing your aproche or system. You collected maybe a lot of data and so on and payed a lot of money to have that and learned. A VA has not such data or System. So he/she can try it but will fail because you as special sauce and your data is not available. The same applies for every business and employee in the world. If its easy everyone would do it.

But if your fear is to big. Build a Script which create from Excel the campaigns via API. You will save a lot of money and you can create more Campaigns. I think automation through coding is the right way.

05-10-2019 08:56 PM #3 user42 (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by patmue View Post
for my point of view. i think you are the reason why are campaigns profitable, without knowing your aproche or system. You collected maybe a lot of data and so on and payed a lot of money to have that and learned. A VA has not such data or System. So he/she can try it but will fail because you as special sauce and your data is not available. The same applies for every business and employee in the world. If its easy everyone would do it.

But if your fear is to big. Build a Script which create from Excel the campaigns via API. You will save a lot of money and you can create more Campaigns. I think automation through coding is the right way.
Yeah I'm leaning more towards automation. I was just wondering what people running huge volumes were doing for this sort of thing. Thanks

05-10-2019 09:15 PM #4 patmue (Member)

Automation because they want save money because people cost money

05-14-2019 04:33 AM #5 maynzie (Moderator)

However, a VA would be the optimal solution here. The only problem would be that the VA would have access to everything that is currently making the campaign profitable. This is the only fear thats preventing me from outsourcing this task that desperately needs to be outsourced ASAP.
Yep we use VA's, lots of guys I know use VA's with no problems, just seperate them from your tracker/stats or something just have them solely launch campaigns. Although maybe something automated is easier for your platforms but for FB we haven't bothered.

I would definitely push to getting this sorted asap bro your 5-6 hours a day here is your skillsets wasted, could be used elsewhere to 2-3-10x your revenue. It's a lot harder to get to the level you're at, then thinking its as simple as them just ripping your campaigns and doing the same thing, theres soooo much mindset in-between all that.

We've found some amazing VA's over the time (Who we've had for 18-24 months) who're very happy with stable 'admin' task jobs and not even aware of what the campaigns are even doing.

05-14-2019 04:43 AM #6 aaaart (Member)

As other mentioned, just make sure they see only 1 key element. For example have 1 VA do the launching and cost reporting from the traffic source. This way they only know how much you spend.

Another separate VA can handle all your stuff in the tracker (setting up campaign funnels, ROI reporting, blacklisting etc).

AN alternative method is automations as you mentioned already. I guess your traffic source and tracker both will have an API. Hire a python programmer t o automate the boring stuff for you.

This is of course quiete expensive and time intensive as you will need to test a lot of things and fix a lot of bugs, however this way you will save the employee cost later on.

The only downside I see with automation is that things break frequently and you need to patch it. Also you can't be that flexible in your campaigns if everything is kind of limited by the current programming of your tool.

If I would be you, id go with the VAs for now.

05-14-2019 06:51 AM #7 jonte_ (Member)

Where do you guys generally find your VA's? I've just been doing everything lone-wolf whilst balancing full-time university so naturally having a VA would be extremely helpful. I just don't know where to even look for trustworthy VA's so any advice would be helpful. Also what hourly rates (I'm assuming you pay them hourly but I could be wrong) are they generally paid?

Cheers,

05-15-2019 03:08 AM #8 user42 (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by jonte_ View Post
Where do you guys generally find your VA's? I've just been doing everything lone-wolf whilst balancing full-time university so naturally having a VA would be extremely helpful. I just don't know where to even look for trustworthy VA's so any advice would be helpful. Also what hourly rates (I'm assuming you pay them hourly but I could be wrong) are they generally paid?

Cheers,
I hired from Upwork. I pay them about 30-40K PHP per month depending on the job.

05-15-2019 03:40 AM #9 sleenirvana (Member)

30-40k in ph is alot already. But thats the going a rate. If you want to hire here locally, 10-20k you can get someone really good. But if they need a salary of 500-700 usd/ month to survive, do you think they will have enough resources to steal your campaign and run it?

05-15-2019 04:24 AM #10 user42 (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by sleenirvana View Post
30-40k in ph is alot already. But thats the going a rate. If you want to hire here locally, 10-20k you can get someone really good. But if they need a salary of 500-700 usd/ month to survive, do you think they will have enough resources to steal your campaign and run it?
The thing is it wouldn't take much to just literally run the camp on the TS with blacklisted placements + targeting.

05-15-2019 07:47 AM #11 blueturtle (Member)

I think you are worrying too much, buddy. I barely hear any stories of VAs from the PH stealing or doing some shady stuff. They are pretty loyal.

Pay them above average, don't give them insight into all areas and just keep doing what you are doing. Speed is the key in this game!

Even if you do everything right someone will sooner or later copy you anyway.

05-15-2019 08:01 AM #12 user42 (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by blueturtle View Post
I think you are worrying too much, buddy. I barely hear any stories of VAs from the PH stealing or doing some shady stuff. They are pretty loyal.

Pay them above average, don't give them insight into all areas and just keep doing what you are doing. Speed is the key in this game!

Even if you do everything right someone will sooner or later copy you anyway.
Yeah I probably am. Worrying too much has saved me quite a few times though I think I'll go with a VA for the short term while I commission some automation tools.

05-15-2019 08:02 AM #13 platinum (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by sleenirvana View Post
30-40k in ph is alot already. But thats the going a rate. If you want to hire here locally, 10-20k you can get someone really good. But if they need a salary of 500-700 usd/ month to survive, do you think they will have enough resources to steal your campaign and run it?
I wouldn't bother much if they can afford to clone a winning campaign to their own account. The main issue I personally see with VAs, is the fact that the competition may offer them good money for your data, especially those who do affiliate campaigns management and stuff.

Automation tools would be the best cost-effective option.

05-16-2019 08:49 AM #14 sleenirvana (Member)

Im pretty sure you cant be completely hands off. So since labor is so cheap you could have one person just specialize in doing one thing. Don't teach them the whole system and you don't need to explain to them why they're doing this. Just pretend they're robots lol

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