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My plan for push traffic - advice needed (11)

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Hi guys,

I'm new here. I'm a PHP programmer/developer (my daily job). I had a good success as a product vendor few years ago, banking $23K in 8 weeks. Now I'm trying to succeed with mobile push. I had a small success with push few months ago, but stopped due to financial difficulties. Now I partnered with Alex and we're trying our best. But I need your advice on my plan.

I had success with mobile push in DE and PL GEOs, SOI/DOI sweepstakes from Gotzha, I cloak with trafficarmor and track with Binom. My best numbers:
-- My best day: $100+ profit with 86.7% ROI (149 conversions)
-- My longest running campaign before it died: 5 days with ~50% ROI (30% in last day)
-- My best performing lander: up to 61% CTR (no auto-redirects!) and 3.8% CR
Unfortunately the lander is not working as awesome as before. I suspect that someone stole it, even though I use some scripts to 'lock' my 'money' page. It's now 35% CTR.

Major points in my plan that I think will lead to successful campaigns
-- find new landers that convert. Previously I used Adplexity Mobile to find some inspiration (download and keep tweaking and testing), but there's mostly 'safe' pages that rarely convert. Therefore I'm going to use manual spying of course with some 3G proxy like Adplexity Carriers to see the 'money' pages. I know more/less how to do that, but I've never done that before.
QUESTIONS: What do you think about Adplexity Mobile vs manual spying? Is manual much bette than Adplexity? Do you know any good guides on manual spying? How can I signup to push on various traffic networks as a user so I can start spying push campaigns? I mean, I need to know the urls where the ads are displayed, but how do I get them while most networks hide their advertisers urls?
-- once I start profiting again with Gotzha, I'd like to try some sweeps outside of affiliate network. Reason: I know they are usually with better payout, therefore I can do higher ROI. I'm also new to this.
QUESTIONS: How do I find such offers? I'm guessing, just post somewhere in this forum that I'm looking for such offers. Maybe there's some websites/services with direct offers (not involving aff network). Also: how do I track performance of such offers? Is it difficult? It's easy with Cake or Hasoffers platforms, but what about direct?
-- improve consistency. I had problem to create a campaign that last for days at least. When I found successful campaign and had 50-100% ROI, then it kept dropping every day and my longest campaign lasted for 5 days. Others for 2-3 days. I don't think it's normal.
QUESTION: How to improve consistency? I mean how to make the campaign last for a week for example, is it possible with push or all I can do is just scale like crazy once found the good campaign as it will die in next few days?
I post these things here as I believe you can help me. I don't even bother posting it on other forums that are either free or based on low-paid membership as I know affiliates don't share such knowledge very likely and I don't believe anyone will share such knowledge on free forums. I appreciate your time you spend reading this thread and thanks for help in advance.

Generally my strategy is to search through Adplexity Mobile first (now I want to try manual with 3G/4G proxy) to find good landers, then keep tweaking and testing them to have as high CTR as possible (again, I had up to 61% with my best lander previously) and then once I find the lander that performs super well, I start testing it with various different offers.

Regards,
Mr.Z

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Hey Mr. Z!

Nice results, for starting out!

Adplexity Mobile is definitely good to find landers for start, their advantage is also that they save the landers, so they are easily downloadable. However if you want to spy for push related stuff I would recommend spytools like Spypush or Anstrex Push. On these however you cannot download the landers (on Anstrex you can, but many of them is cloaked already).

As for manual spying I got a free mini email course on my blog how to spy manually, it's a bit outdated though and it applies mainly to pops. For push is best to subscribe to notifications yourselve, but the catch is the geo. I would just directly check the spy tools as they got most of the stuff there.

From my experience landers and angles do not die so fast, except it was very old angle running for ages. I think you should probably test more offers, as most of the times the offer is the main issue here. 35% is still solid IMO.

You mean going direct? You can find many direct advertisers here on STM as well. The tracking will be the same as with networks as the advertiser will also use a system like Cake or HasOffers.

Push is not as consistent when you look at day to day stats. I've falled form 4 figures down to -3 figures lot of times.
Some days are just worse than others.

I think it has something to do with how networks manage their lists, some have feeds with fresh users, but after some time they move them under another feed ID. I believe this fact can cause the inconsistencies alongside with creative's saturation.

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There's a spy tool for PUSH called spy push.

In my free push guide I talked about how i used adplexity to spy, and 'port' the mobile pops LPs to PUSH. So check that out if u wanna see how to do it with Adplexity.

2. To find offers check out offervault.

3. Sadly as Erik sad about, push is not consistent, you need to upload new ads every 2-3 days to counter the burn out.. best to upload variants of your winning ads every 3 days.. have it planned, and just get a VA to execute like a robo worker, or code your own automation tool for this since u are a coder

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Awesome, thanks Erik and IamAttila for your advices, I appreciate it. I'd like to ask more about manual spying though and how does it look in practice. Do super affiliates spy more manually or use spy tools like Adplexity? My major concern is that spy tools contain mostly 'safe' pages which are pretty useless. I think there's much better chance to see 'money' pages with manual spying. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The same about offers: I think big guys go mainly direct with better payout offers. I know you can get paid 2, 3 times more per conversion, e.g.: with network like Gotzha or Clickdealer you get paid around $2.5 for SOI offer in DE geo while I heard you can get paid $5 or more for such offer if you go direct.

Also, what CTR and CR you're getting approximately with your landers? I'm just curious and I'd like to have some comparison

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Valid concern for sure, but the problem is, how are you gonna spy manually? The reason for spytools to pick up safe pages is cloaking. The cloakers that are able to detect spytools, can feed them a safe page. But if you try to spy manually via a known VPN, the cloakers will most likely detect you too, so you will get served a safe page too. You can manually spy in your own GEO, as you are a real visitor and do not try to hide anything. Unless you manage to hit the same cloaker too many times, which might get you blocked too. To properly spy manually, you would need local connections in the GEO you target, maybe a couple sim cards or something like that ... The more sophisticated spytools rotate their IPs and use other tricks to fool cloakers, so in many cases, they will get better results than you would by spying manually. To my knowledge, all large affiliates use spytools, it saves time and eventually, they will find large part of the running funnels anyways, as not everyone knows how to cloak properly.

This is all about the lead quality. No need to argue about the fact that you can get more $ from the offer owner, there is one less party to feed (aff.network) so they can clearly pay you more if you go direct. But I wouldn't say the difference is that big by default. Any sane network operates with a reasonable margin, and they will happily give you part of it, in case there is the volume and the leads are good. The biggest difference is when a network has a revshare deal with the advertisers, but pays you per lead. In such cases, the difference can be quite dramatic, because the network takes part of the risk, so they aim for higher returns. So yes, if you can send QUALITY leads to an offer that an aff.network has on revshare with the advertiser, you would likely earn much more when going direct. I would still say it's better to start with networks and only look for direct advertisers when you master some offer and are certain your leads are very good.

Not possible to give you any REASONABLE average, unless you specify the traffic type, geo, traffic source, vertical ... it can be anywhere from 1% to 50%

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Personally, I think with Spytools you have already access to more than enough of the market. Manual spying can be a way to save the money for the spy tool, but I don't think you'll find many gems that were hidden to spy tools (why? even if someone has found a way to hide his lander 100% from the spy tools, it just takes one affiliate to rip his lander without knowing how to hide it from spy tools, and then it will show up there anyway).

Also, I'd go with networks first, unless you deliver really big volumes. Three main advantages of the networks are
a) access to lots of offers (makes it easier for you to switch offers)
b) payments (it's a mess to get the money from 10+ different offer owners, all with different payment methods, payment thresholds etc)
c) tracking (aff-networks have automated conversion tracking, while when going direct you'll hardly find that, at least that's my experience).

So in short, just use your current setup and start launching campaigns

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+1 ^^^

I would also not worry about going direct in the beginning.

You simply need to launch and test more.

Most people run through networks and are be still profitable.

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I thought about using 3G/4G mobile proxy like Adplexity Carriers, but then I need to know some url where push traffic networks signup users to their push. But it doesn't matter as I will go with Adplexity Mobile for now as you guys suggest. Plus, I'm going to stay with Gotzha for the time being and may try direct offers in future, but for now I'm good with the network.

So here's what happens next:
- I signup to Adplexity Mobile and Spypush, then download and keep tweaking and testing landers in order to find 2-3 winners.
- Well, second step is simple: keep testing offers with the winning landers

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Almost every funnel has been already fetched by adplexity, so if you test enough, you will find the good ones too. And keep in mind it's always a good idea to not just rip, but tweak them too. Sometimes all it takes is to change the main image or the headline. Don't stick to rip&run, be innovative

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Some direct advertisers were mentioned before in several topics. I agree most of time networks are oke to start with, but the 10-40% margin you save by going direct could be JUST the point of scaling yes/no, especially if you are a newbie! Also if you go direct it's much easier to request exclusives, or just some minor adjustments needed on the offer page to fit your funnel. Thereby the added value of networks in general I find very little. Some DO add some value, but mostly is just a battle of useless payout raises, scrubbing or other cheecky stuff to outrun competitors.

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Hey @__mrz__

Two things we would suggest to do from our angle:

1) set up RBO rules in the campaign to remove non performing targets and sources as quickly as possible, then increase the bids on the sources that are working to bid on a wider portion of the available traffic.

2) keep tweaking those creatives, swap out images, text and emojis every couple of days to keep the notifications fresh in the eyes of the users. These do not have to be massive changes, a correction of addition of a spelling mistake, a different set of emojis, different picture. All these tweaks should garner you with fresh clicks.

Hope it helps!

Neill

Zeropark

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