Hey there.
This is my first time using a forum of any kind for any reason. My hands are sweaty typing this lol.
I briefly looked thru STM and wow. Lot of value.
I decided I'll be using this follow along mainly as a public journal for myself. Currently I use my apple notes to write down all my thoughts and progress, so I thought why not make it public and network/learn/help/etc at the same time?
Disclaimer: I'll probably babble a lot in my updates and the things I write in my updates could possibly be.. annoying/not useful?
Anyways, some info about me:
- 21 (finally turned 21 this April
)
- Living in the US
- 4-5 yrs of IM experience but only 1 yr working for myself.
- mainly work with BH female diet on FB, trial/SS. (but have tried skin, CBD, ME, e-com)
**Skip this part if you dont want to read a long ass story.**
My story:
Typical immigrant story.
Born in Korea my family moved to the US when I was 1.
My single mother had to provide for our family without knowing any english + no skills. She did a great job IMO. I'm alive writing this right?
But yea, pretty broke my whole life so I did what I can to help her. Or in reality, help myself get what I wanted and fit in. Which in my stupid eyes at the time was to sell drugs and steal🤦
Fast forward to Highschool tigerJ. I dropped out when i was 15 or 16 and worked full time. No more drugs or stealing.
Fast forward to 17yrs old tigerJ. I was introduced to a marketing company by a friend.
I needed a new job at the time so I applied, was interviewed and got accepted.
I was brought into a whole new world that I never knew existed.
Right away I realized the possibilities. I knew this was something I wanted to learn and do.
The 'marketing company' was a BH operation run by a big affiliate at the time. My first mentor.
I worked for him, starting as a small cog in his BH operation doing robot work day in, day out.
After a while, I moved into new WH projects we were getting into. (dropshipping/branding)
Fast forward to 19-20yrs old tigerJ. I decided I wanted to work for myself.
There was nothing wrong with the company or my boss. Matter of fact everything was great. Made "a lot" of money, 4-7k a month. Had freedom and great co-workers. What else can I ask for?
But one day I realized I wanted to experience some more life while I was still young and achieve ultimate freedom.
So I left the company and no matter what anyone says, I'll forever be grateful to him. He taught me not only about IM but about life, spirit, confidence, critical thinking, thinking big, and a lot more.
Things I never learned from school or parents.
Most of the things I learned from him wasn't through direct teaching tho. It wasn't like we sat down and he taught me these things. It was more like, I watched him. I watched him everyday and learned from how he moves. How he thinks.
Since then I was on my own doing my own thing and in short. Shit was hard as fuck.
I went thru a lot, made a lot of mistakes but especially learned a lot.
You may think I had a whole blueprint ready to start my own thing because I worked for someone else's operation but that wasn't true.
During the time I worked in the BH operation, I was just a small cog in a huge machine. I only learned and did a handful of things and nothing else. It may have been to prevent his workers from learning the whole shabang and leaving, idk.
So yes, I knew about vital information such as cloaking/tracking/accounts. But not the slightest clue about how they worked or how I need to apply everything and besides that there was still a lot of things I didn't even know I had to know.
Also please keep in mind I wasn't apart of the BH operation for long, I mainly worked in the WH department. Working with brands/dropshipping.
Some of you may be wondering why I went the BH route instead of going with what I know best.
Well at the time I believed it was easier to make money with BH. Which obviously isn't true. Both BH and WH are difficult to master and profit off. They have their own pro's and con's.
Anyways, I was dedicated to making BH work.
I don't remember exactly how much I had when I quit and started my own thing. But it was around a couple hundred bucks.
Yes, I was making 4-7k/month before. But I was dumb. I thought I was going to stay there forever and the money would keep coming.
I didn't think about saving or rather I had no self control to even save!
I was spending a few g's a month just on living necessities, paying for my family and I's rent/food/w.e else. And the rest on... you guessed it! Partying!
And you may also be wondering why I didn't stay at my job and save up before leaving.
I felt that was wrong. I was already feeling iffy about leaving him after all the things he's done for me. So the idea of knowing that I'm going to be leaving but staying to build capital to leave him? That was just wrong for me. (Not judging anyone else if they did this tho. Everyone's situation is different)
So yea. Once again I was broke and my family had to get jobs again to support me and themselves. (Sorry fam, I know I was selfish - but I had to do this.)
A couple months went by just trying to figure things out. How to do BH FB, how to start a business and of course - trying to figure out how to get capital!
I eventually just started asking around and luckily one of my close friends said he'd fund me a bit to get things moving. The deal was, whatever I spent I had to pay back in 200% ROIish. So every 1$ I spent = 3$ I had to give back.
Boom! I had a plan, I had my biz setup and I had my capital.
Numbers are a bit rough but I ended up spending 8k of my friends money to net 22k profit. So now I had 30k capital. I wasn't supposed to pay back the 8k + his profit until I had enough capital myself to pay him back and still be able to operate without money issues.
Now I was cruising. Making a couple/few g's/day profit.
Remember how I said I made a lot of mistakes?
1 big one was that I thought things would last forever. It didn't.
This is something I should've learned from making this mistake in the past but tbh it takes me a few of the same mistakes to fully learn lol I'm learning faster now tho.
Once I saw those profits come in, I started taking things easy.
Stopped working 16hrs/day. Stopped launching/testing like crazy. Stopped giving a fuck.
And I started to party more. Spend more money. Be stupid.
I ended up with no profitable campaigns. Barely affording rent and other necessities. And about 5k? out of my 30+ lol
I fucked up! Especially because until I paid my friend back, this was not my money!
So I got back on the grind and made everything back with that 5k. Back to 30.
From here I made another big mistake. Not being consistent.
This may seem similar to the other mistake but it's not. I knew things weren't forever but even then I didn't stay consistent. When things were good, I chilled out and during these times of inconsistency I probably only worked a week out of every month.
And actually this was going on til last week LOL
But I finally learned my lesson. It's time I snapped the fuck out of it and grind consistently. Which is also why I joined STM/started this follow along, for accountability.
Oh yea, from that 30 it was up and down but basically stayed around 20-30k capital til now.
Here I am. 21yrs old tigerJ.
That's my story. Maybe there was no point telling you all this but I thought it may be helpful to understand me better for the future. And who knows, maybe someone will read this and learn from my mistakes.
**End skip**
Now that we're all caught up. Here's what I'm running now and the stats:
Intl Female Diet SS -
- 3 accs up doing total of 600/day spend
- Overall averaging 30-50% ROI
- Ad metrics averaging something like 20-30cent cpc's + 1-3% ctr + 3-5$ cpm's (FB traffic is getting pricey AF, or maybe i suck)
- LP ctr is showing 40% but I'm pretty sure
Last 7 days stats -



Forgot to mention some goals:
Small goal - 30k profit/month
Medium goal - 100k profit/month
Large goal - 500k profit/month
fuck it, who knows goal - 3 mil profit/month
+
go to the gym 4x/wk & read daily
I've got a long way to go and a lot more to learn, hopefully I can get there faster with you guys & hopefully I can help someone else reach their goals
Edit: biz structure
I handle all the creative aspects/media buying/innovation
Team handles all the support work to get accs ready and launched.
I have 2 full-time PH VA's doing this.
Currently working on building a team of VA's to help acquire accounts. Have a couple in training for this atm.
Goal here is to have a constant supply of accs.
Then passed to my camp team to get them warmed/ready to launch bh
Then I do all the media buys. Testing new shit/scaling working campaigns.
Hey man,
I sent you a PM. My skype is also wenpucommerce if it's easier to talk on there!
Hey buddy, inspiring story! Would love to connect as I am keen on FB so will drop you a PM
Great story man, looking forward to see how this turn out!
Awesome TigerJ welcome to the boards bud - mad story lots of lessons already at 21 hahaha! No need for sweaty hands
, unless they're for eager anticipation its a great community here.
You're no doubt on the road to lift off mode, I think you're WAY more skilled then you even believe yet (especially for a 21/yo kid!) to have gotten this far by yourself as an operation. You can definitely hit those profit targets simply by adding more and more accounts to your flow, the demos on FB are big man don't be afraid to scale harder. Do the smart young man move and keep re-investing the profits into cashflow as well.
Gonna see you at a conference soon I already know it :P
sup maynzie! thanks for reading
agreed on everything.
ESPECIALLY reinvesting profits..fuckk why did i blow all that money on bottles 
Ill be sure to have my STM name on my shirt for u to catch me bro
Great thread already!
"Well at the time I believed it was easier to make money with BH. Which obviously isn't true. Both BH and WH are difficult to master and profit off. They have their own pro's and con's."
Solid point!
You called yourself stupid a couple of times because of the partying etc. Don't bring it that negative man, you were living a life 75% of world population will never even touch in their tunnel-vision life. Besides that you celebrated a victory, learn from it but don't regret it. Perhaps saving was better, perhaps if you saved and you were hit by a bus you never had the chance to splash your earnings!
Big up!
You've gone through a lot! Quite an exciting story, I hope FB doesn't spoil anything 
Nice one TigerJ!
Impressive achievements so far, dont underestimate yourself.
And I agree with StickupKid, dont beat yourself down for partying and enjoying life. If you dont enjoy the process, take advantage of success and celebrate victories then whats the point really?

Hey bro, good stuff - you sound like a cool dude. I'm also 21 and have made $9m+ mostly on native diet and skin ads - currently around $7k per day in spend. Hit me up by DM if you want any advice and to chat on Skype, I'd be glad to help as it's refreshing to see another young guy on here.
Well I definitely respect wanting to take care of your family. Everyone has their own "whys" but for me there isnt a better reason.
Your family, your friends, the ones who would be there for you when you need them and the ones you care about most.
I didnt mean you should just lose your way enjoying yourself and partying, as you said its about balance. You need to find the right balance for you just dont forget to have fun as well.
If you dont have a good balance you might burnout fast.
Update #1 - 4.24.19
Something I want to say before my update is - If you have any questions or need help, I think it'd be best to ask in the thread instead of PM'ing me. So others can learn and also give their advice.
holy shit, i accidentally deleted my update when i was almost done writing it and started over from scratch. 1/3 thru the re-write i see the "use autosaved post" lol
thank u STM for this beautiful feature
(for those who don't want to read a lot) Few updates bulletpoint style before going into detail:
- Waking up early 9/10am instead of 5pm lol, aiming for 8am tmr
- No gym or reading yet 
- Leveraging all my resources to scale
- Consistently launching every day
- Networking with great ppl (also potential biz partner???)
Waking up early 9/10am instead of 5pm lol, aiming for 8am tmr:
Not much to say bout this one except that it feels great to be waking up early and getting the sleep i need every night
I'm able to make way more progress thruout the day now
No gym or reading yet
:
As i rush back into the grind after months of inconsistency, i have a lot to catch up on
so i havent gotten to the point where i can spend a few hours daily for these 2
that may also just be an excuse to slack but i dont think so cus i rlly want to gym and read again
lets see if things start getting settled soon so i can fit these in my schedule permanently
Leveraging all my resources to scale + Consistently launching every day:
My main priorities rn are to scale out my operations (basically get more accs), while maintaining/scaling positive cash flow with what i've got on hand
I stopped buying accs from sellers few months ago cus i realized i could just get/make em myself
had some success with this using tier3 geo rentals + some JV's but seems like those tier3 accs are super wack now - theyre going down like flies
so im setting up a new system for acquiring tier1 geo accs, its working but slow so far. so so slow... almost there tho!
And at one point i was focusing solely on acc acquisition when it hit me. wait a min, am i even making any money right now?! LOL
I wasn't or was profiting only couple hunnid a day
After that obvious realization, i repeated to myself. balance balance balance.
everything needs balance.
I cant scale out operations if im not making any money and i cant make any money if im not scaling out operations lol no shit right?
so yea, i got all the accs i've been putting off - set them up and launched
here's some stats so far today after launching a few last night:
- total spend = 1.9k/day
- total rev so far = 1530
= -370, -19% roi
eh, not worried - after a couple days of this, i gotta trim the fat and should be back to green days
also it's the middle of the week, usually midweek i have a 30-40% decrease in traffic performance, ESPECIALLY on weds (which is the day im writing this update)
do u guys see the same?
Today's stats:
Attachment 21164
It says yesterday cus it just turned 12am here
also i say 1530 rev cus rmbr how my payout was bumped? yea, i forgot to ask them to fix it so it shows correct rev on
Networking with great ppl (potential biz partner???):
STM is definitely changing my life.
How? the network. the network itself is incredible. its as if i have mentors right at my fingertips.
just a few clicks, type some words and BOOM. im getting advice and thoughts from seasoned vets of AM and hardest game, LIFE. crazy.
now, im not mentioning this part just to suck STM's dick - it's truly changing my life
here's a quick story for u guys:
after i posted my thread i got hit up by a few ppl wanting to chat. sure, why not
one of those ppl DM'd me saying how they were also asian american and came to the US when they were 1 as well.
he also asked to get on a skype call
this caught my interest so we got on a call and i learned he was a noob to the AM game wanting to learn BH FB
idk..something about him...i instantly clicked with
wont go into details but basically told him he could work in my team and learn that way
stupid move? maybe, time will tell
but i do want to help at least 1 person in my lifetime
so now ive got this random guy i met on the internet, teaching him BH FB (super smart and learns quick, already a big help in my team)
as we get to work the past couple days i learn more about him and his background
in short - he has everything im missing. and i have everything hes missing.
i know its only been like 2 days but we're discussing a partnership to build this business together
now before u jump to any conclusions, keep in mind i left out a bunch of details to keep this update short as possible
if i met him several months ago - i probably never would've even considered the idea
but recently i learned that my friend met his biz partner online too, now they make 40k a day together.
after learning bout that, my perspectives changed of course - clearly its possible to do big things with strangers u meet online (dont try this at home!)
anyways, the main reasons why i want to join forces with him is because:
- hes disciplined, something i lack harddd
- hes financially literate, and not just basic shit but his knowledge really blew me away lol, stuff u prob have to go to school for years to learn (which he did)
- hes a needle mover, noticed this while teaching him and watching him work
- i realized couple weeks ago that doing this 'alone' could work but having the right partner will definitely skyrocket success (my own opinion & isnt it funny how once i start thinking bout getting a biz partner, someone who fits the role pops up - TGR ey?)
- and i think one of the biggest things is, my gut. lol yup - and dont get me wrong. my gut has been wrong but its also been right. and i truly 'feel' that im going to make a lot of money with this guy. dont know why exactly i get this feeling but i do.
of course im not head strong rushing into this. were gona see for a few how things go, maybe our initial feelings will disappear like a lot of cases when i impulsively say or do something.
thats it for now. lmk what ya think and thanks for reading!
Hey man, thanks for being open to answering questions.
Was wondering a few things, How long are your ad accounts lasting on avg after launcing? Are you a native speaker of the countries you are targeting or are you translating via 3rd party? Have you considered building an email list? or are you only direct linking? ss the offer a trial, refill, sale? And lastly, how are you handling cc's?
Thanks bro. Hope one of these days we can connect! No worries if you cant answer them all.
-R
Awesome thread @tigerj. It's true what you say about the BH vs WH. Both have their pro's and cons.
Interested in hearing the rest of your journey, love the detail in your posts. The partnership decision is a tough one, I'm not sure what I would do TBH.
I'm also in the process of mastering FB Ads and recently have moved to Nutra after doing WH Leadgen for 3 weeks.
I changed to Nutra so soon because I realised that I would rather deal with account bans than creating funnels for insurance and loans - which is boring AF and I at least have a passion for Nutra.
Let me know if your'e still keen to create an structured mastermind/accountability, I'm keen.
Hey brothers, good luck on your progress. Have some questions. What credit card methods are you using to get credit card in bulk to fund these accounts?
As you said you are using tier 3 countries rental accounts . Arent you facing probelm funding tgree world accounts with first world credit cards.
Last but not least how are you bypassing limits in tier 3 accounts. I have seen daily spend limit for new accounts ad low as 10$ per day in these accounts
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Hey Brotha, any advice on warm up? I know most are reluctant to share this aspect, but I'm using the same set up and tend to die around ~400-500 spend.
This thread is 🔥🔥🔥 keep it up and keep it real!
hey guys, haven't forgot about this - just been super busy lately
will update and reply to q's soon!
hey there
for the warm, everyone seems to have their own way that works
so with that in mind, imo the actual structure doesn't matter too much
just think in terms of, "how can i get fb used to what im going to do later on"
for ex: when ready for BH, ur going to be using X domain - warm X domain safely before it
another ex: when ready for BH, ur going to be launching multiple ads - warm the acc to launch multiple ads by launching multiple safe ads during warm
sorry if this is vague but i wouldnt be allowed to share any more details than this:/ - hope this helped
Update #2 - 6.10.19
hello everyone, i know its been a while - in case this update gets long, it'll be broken into 3 main things:
1. my apologies
2. reason why im going to end this thread
3. last updates
4. thanks
#1. first of all - sorry for the delay in updates
its been a crazy ride and been busy grinding day in day out
but this thread has been on my mind almost every day lol actually felt guilty i was leaving people hanging
its been almost a month since my last update, it feels super short yet long
updating wise - its definitely been a while
but results wise - alot has happened in just 1 month, seems like monthS!
#2 . Im going to end this thread
I'm officially going to end this thread because of a few things
main one being that due to some personal reasons i cant share my results here any longer
another big one is that i dont have the time to follow up here and i dont want to leave ppl hanging
#3. last updates
im sure the main thing most of u are curious about, is my actual money makin results 
unfortunately for a few personal reasons i cant say
or maybe i should say that i cant say HERE
i believe its my duty for starting this thread, promising updates/results on my journey, to at least update one last time on everything thats happened so far
so if u really wana know, DM me
hmm what else..
something i CAN speak on is that guy i spoke about previously, the noob i took on
well to keep it short, were biz partners now
so far its working out well and i believe it will continue working out
#4. thanks
i want to thank everyone who read and followed along
and also thank STM for the value ive gotten since joining
i never thought id be doing something like a follow along in my life
"whod want to follow along with me??" "why would they care"
these were my first thoughts
but now id recommend anyone to try it out at least once
who knows? maybe ull meet ur future biz partner lol
well, thats it - thanks for your time. maybe ill be back 
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