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Is It Possible To Avoid Bans On FB Promoting AM Offers? (22)

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Hello,

I am considering going into FB and am looking to buy an FB account in the very near future.

These FB accounts are rather expensive at 1k+ per account.

If I run stuff like Sweeps and avoid going hardcore (e.g. nutra), is the expected lifetime of the account at least like 2-3 months? Is the expected lifetime at least better?

Max spend on FB right now would be 1-2k per day running AM offers that are in verticals like Sweeps and Gaming. Which I am guessing is safer than Nutra, finance, etc.

I'd like to go into FB but would like to stay away from constantly having to replenish accounts every week. Any vertical that makes the account last like a month would be great, any recommendations? Anyone have experience having their account last 2-3 months?

Sorry if these questions seem nooby, I just have no idea what the account situation is when it comes to FB.

Thanks!

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Sweeps are high risk as well, no different than nutra as far as FB is concerned.

Browser-based or mobile app games generally are OK - no issues there.

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Thanks.

How long do your accounts generally last? If you were to do like 1k spend a day on a ad account promoting sweeps and nutra, how long would you expect that ad account to last?

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I came to AM last year and wanted to solely only do FB traffic to affiliate offers.
I was told and read everywhere that you can run WH and as long as you do that FB will not ban you.

6 months later and some accounts less i can tell it's all BS.
It's gotten to the point where i'm no longer doing so much FB for affiliate marketing.

I've run as WH as possible, no claiming, no clickbaity, haaving a real domain with a REAL blog with tons of content etc.
The campaign runs for a time and then they just slam the hammer on you.
I am talking offers like GiddyUp who is in my opinion the no.1 White hat affiliate network, but still you get banned.

So my advice if you are going to do the FB route, be prepared to have accounts and then need to buy them once all of them are banned.

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I thought this was the case. Thanks

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There are sooooooo many different variables which FB can "use" to ban your account or disapprove ads. This also means you need to vary a lot when it comes to ads, content, landers, domains etc. Trust me, it's becoming a real fulltime job to do FB advertising with proper volumes nowadays.

The more you know about FB, the longer your account will be alive. So for a newbie I would say max a month, but some farmed accounts + ecomm offers last for months/even years. Ofcourse luck is a big factor too, hoping you ninja your way around the FB policy team. One thing for sure, if you spend 1k on one account daily they will check your account. You gain a lot of traction/interaction/movement on your account and ads and FB will notice it.

That's why we aim for the longer run, do max mid xxx spend per account and spread your camps on numerous accounts!

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Thanks!

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Why not run whitehat nutra? I got accounts running close to a year now without issues.
Create a BM, create ad accounts and off you go. Before buying accounts, use the FB profiles from your family, friends etc to create a BM and make yourself an admin. Just don't remove the account owner right away.

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Nutra WH?!?
So please explain how that is done through FB

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Whoa, didn't know it was possible to run whitehat nutra. I'll definitely look into this, thanks! How much spend per account do you do? Or does facebook not care since you're doing it whitehat somehow? By whitehat nutra do you mean like non-aggressive LP and ad copy? Thanks

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There is a lot more to it than just a non-aggressive LP or ad copy. The offer itself must be whitehat ( straight sale, not RUSH MY ORDER and so on.. lots and lots of stuff to consider, just like on blackhat) - it's a whole different beast.

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That's worth a whole mastermind.. and too much to write. You can even run compliant nutra trials on facebook - just look at the big brands.
Here is a good example.. https://www.facebook.com/pg/Enhanced...=page_internal

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You need to add " you can run compliantly until FB shuts you down", because that is the truth.
As i said i came here to do WH FB AM and trust me when i say WH with a big fat WHITE HAT.
Read their policy like 15 times, noted down everything, created so un-aggressive lps and used offers that is WH.

I remember the veterans here told me "you will get the hammer sooner or later" and i was thinking they were all full of BS, until FB started to chase my accounts.

Not saying this to be a D-head but just so everyone reading this and thinking of doing FB AM that you need to be prepared with accounts.

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The problem with running a white hat affiliate offer on FB is that you are technically linked to everyone running that same offer. It only takes one problem maker running non compliant and at scale to get your account linked to the problem and banned.

It sucks when you are doing everything right and trying to be compliant.

If you are wondering how Facebook is linking you to all the affiliates running the offer, I am sure they have multiple signals. But the big one is the pixel, which everyone depends on to optimize and scale. They get loaded from the same domain and conversion pages. So once an offer is flagged, you are pretty much guaranteed to get banned.

Fb really doesn’t have the resources to figure out who’s who and going to stay wh, and who isn’t. They are doing something along the lines of pre emptive banning. I forgot the exact name. But once a page is linked to a problem page, it’s banned before the new page does anything wrong. I will edit the post with the official announcement once I find it.

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hammer.nailed.

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And I agree 100% - it's an account game just like on BH and Facebook does what it what it wants. On average 8/10 banned/flagged accounts get enabled by talking to the fb support.
Compared to running BH the account game is much easier in my experience. Can't speak for everyone of course, but compared to my BH days this is day and night for me.

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@Mr Baffoe, how does this scenario differ with any other offer that one may run?

It would seem that you would have exactly the same problem regardless of the offer you decide to run to me...

If not I would love to be enlightened.

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To clarify, you will have this issue no matter what offer you run. If one affiliate runs it non-compliant on Facebook and it happens at scale enough for FB to notice, you are at risk. My wording above may have made it look like only whitehat offers had this problem.

My main point was to address the misunderstanding that simply running a whitehat offer on Facebook is the cure for account bans. The only real non-bandage cure is to have FB trust our industry.

Food for thought: Facebook is in the business of selling ads to as many advertisers as possible. They love money just as much as you do (possibly more), and would want nothing more than to have each of you spending millions of dollars a day on their ads platform.

BUT Facebook is NOT going to risk its long term growth for your short term money. The only thing they are really asking of all advertisers is simple:

Treat their users well, don't scam or trick them because a bad ad experience reduces trust in Facebook ads, which means less CTR, less conversions etc and that is no good for anyone.

There are tens of billions of dollars in marketing budget waiting to flow into this industry if we collectively get our act together. Any amount of money being made on non compliant methods are scraps in comparison to what’s possible for this industry. It's encouraging to see more talk about how to run WH as an affiliate on here, we have a long way to go. But it's definitely a start.

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Very informative reply @Mr Baffoe

I think that clears up all of the assumptions a noob may have.

As @stickupkid always says, there are so many variables and you could do WH in a BH way and get banned and BH in a WH way and keep your account alive for long enough to make some decent money.

This is what resonated with me the most, regardless of what offer you are running (BH in Facebooks eyes or completely WH)

I think we just need to have real solutions and systems when it comes to accounts, warming up BM's etc when choosing to go the BH route.

Does anyone know a good thread that goes into detail about this?

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Same question buddy ��✋

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Try blackhatworld, they discuss BH stuff more open!

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@Mr Baffoe has kindly sent me this link with the official announcement he was referring to:

https://about.fb.com/news/2019/01/ma...e-transparent/

Thought I'd take the liberty of posting it here for everyone's reference.



Amy

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