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Adult Dating - Mobile - Hunting the Green (34)

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Hey guys,

This is my first post so I decided it should be Follow-along
I tried few dating campaigns in last 30 days without reaching green numbers but that's normal for a newbie like me.I learn more and more each day, I will do my best to get this thread from zero to hero.

My goal is to first get $xx daily and then scale it to $xxx as fast as possible.

For this Follow Along I will use:

1. Domain from Namecheap
2. Funnelflux LP Managed Server - hosting
3. Voluum as tracker
4. Adplexity adult + NordVPN & Device spoofer + my own phone with VPN - for spying
5. I'm mostly focused with one affiliate network, all tho I have accounts on many networks but this one I like the most
6. I will start with TrafficJunky, and maybe TrafficStars(tested them already, not very happy) and TrafficFactory, I read that Exoclick is not good for newbies


I created 2 campaigns on TrafficJunky, It's Tier1 country from Europe but not English speaking, I'm targeting Wifi only, also browser language targeting, I'm targeting IOS and Android in both campaigns I know that bids are different but since I don't have any data yet I don't think it's so important to make separate campaigns at the start for OS.

One campaign is 300x250 and second one is 300x99

I'm targeting all recommended spots by TrafficJunky

I got 12 banners for 300x250 and 12 banners for 300x99
6 Offers & Got 9 landing pages ready but I will send traffic only to 5 landing pages at the start becuase I will use Vortex plan - recieve 2 conversions on one offer and then stop all other offers, then I will test all landing pages & then when I get the winner landing page, I will start testing offers
Meanwhile I will stop some banners that are bad -using methods that I found on STM.

If you think any part of my plan is wrong, feel free to inform me , also sorry for my English, it's not my native.


Dimounique

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Welcome to the forum Dimounique!

Your english is fantastic, don't worry about a small mistake here and there, we all make them

Nice start right there, nothing fundamentally wrong with the setup, but 24 banners is a bit too much and so is 6 offers and 5 LPs. If you start running with that many, you will need to spend a lot of $ to reach some level of significance.

How much do you plan to spend on this test? It might be a good idea to lower the number of variations you are about to test at once.

Will be following your thread and provide advice whenever needed

Matej

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Thanks Matej, I'm glad that you will be here to advice me since you have very big experience in Adult media buying.

When I started one month ago I used 5 banners - 2 lps - 2 offers but sometimes my LP CTR was only 5%-10% so that's why I want to use more landing pages and more offers because I also had problem with CVR, my roi was -80% and -90% all the time, I spend like $50 and get $5 back and that wasn't enough data to optimise anything and I don't wanna stop campaign becuase lets say I use 2 landing pages and both of them are not good, I know that adding more landing pages and offers will require more budget but it's kinda safer I don't know.
About offers I only want to get 2 conversions with one then I will pause all except that one, and then I will basically test landing pages to get a winner and after that I will unpause all offers.
Payouts are $1 , $1,20 , $1,25 , $1,27, $1,70 and 2,90 € all from one network, and I got one offer directly from publisher with $3 payout & available bump but I plan to add it later in test.

About spending I don't know tbh, I'm willing to pay the price to get the data but ofcourse I don't want to pay $30 to get $1 lead

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Update:

One campaign on Traffic Junky 300x250 is not recieving any traffic I don't know why, I contancted support, they told me to send email to their support team..Campaign is approved, bids are live

Second campaign On TJ 300x99 made revenue of $4,17(3 Conversions) and cost is $11.61 ROI -64%

but still I have 11 banners in game, they are all placed in total 44 spots, each banner is placed on 3-4 sites from TJ

I also started 2 campaigns on Traffic Stars 300x250 and 300x100

Traffic Stars 300x250 made revenue of $4.15(2 Conversions) and cost is $9.62 ROI -57%

Traffic Stars 300x100 made $0 and cost is $9.2 so ROI is -100%


Thing that confuses me a lot is my LP CTR, check picture below, first Landing page must be getting a lot of bots, other 3 have 50% ctr I have no idea how,
I always had ctr 5%-10% on my older campaigns and last landing page has 13% - I'm used to that, that's normal to me.

I downloaded all landing pages from Adplexity and maybe one of them is by manual spying but they are classic adult dating landing pages, they are not misleading.

Dimounique

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What GEO is this please, and are these mobile/tab or desktop offers?

This happens from time to time, in case your bid is high enough, there is probably some problem on their end.

Are you sure that the LPs do not have some script that causes this? A backbutton redirect or autoredirect that send the visits to the click url? It can be BOTs too of course, check the IP report to see if some IPs generate very high CTRs. 13% CTR is normal in some spots with mobile traffic, desktop should be higher, but even with mobile, you should be able to get closer to 20%.

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GEO is Italy, all offers are only for Mobile and I'm sending only Mobile traffic



On some placements, there isn't any bid, even when I place my bid, it still says that there aren't any bids for that placement.


Some LPs do have backbutton but shouldn't have autoredirect, I tested all LPs with my Laptop and my phone, I didn't get any autoredirect, also all links are replaced with mine.

But I'm not happy with Conversion Rate at all - 815 Visits on my Landing Page - 581 Clicks on Landing Page - Only 7 conversions on offer

My traffic junky campaign got only 1,25% Conversion rate - from LP clicks not Banner clicks...

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Ok, Italy is not exactly my favorite GEO, but the payouts you have are quite standard street payouts. I've seen a few with higher one though, about $4, try to look for them. Not saying that higher payout is always better, sometimes it's exactly the opposite, but good to have some options

Let's see what the support has to say.

If the backbutton sends traffic to the click url, there you have the reason for such high CTRs. In case you want to use backbuttons, send that traffic to another campaign, so it doesn't mess up the data in the original one.

This is bad yes, the CVR from LP clicks should be way higher, 5%-10% is possible with the right funnel.

Looks like you need to work on the ads and LPs or find better offers.

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I don't like Italy too but I wanted a country that's not english speaking becuase I think they have way more competition.


Their support is very bad, they told me to wait for their system to catch up, campaign was approved 13 hours ago, I will probably make new campaign from scratch same like that one.



Yeah, I set that backbutton send visitors to the main campaign, I will remove backbutton scripts then.


Yeah I know my aim is like 0,2% ctr on Banner, 30% CTR on LP and 10% CVR on Offer but I'm far from that, and I don't know what's wrong with offers, that's why I took 6 to test, I have 11 banners 300x250 and 11 banners 300x99, 5 landing pages and 6 offers, I thought that atleast one combination will be green/close to green.

And yes I have street payouts, but it's not about payout at the moment, if I have $5 lead offer with 2% cvr that will perform worse than $1 offer and 11% cvr and that cvr is not hard to get.
I thought that I will have 10% cvr with $1 offers but I was wrong.
I took all Italian offers from my network, I have 2 more networks that I can test and both of them have 1 italian mobile, soi offer, so that's 2 more offers to test.

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Yup, do that now, no need to wait. It might help.

Ok, so this was m ost likely causing the high CTR.

Could be the offers, when the offers is poor, there is nothing you can do. I think I have seen some decent IT offers at Topoffers and Xcash, try to have a look.

And you can always try different GEOs if IT doesn't work, no biggie

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I already tested Xcash with TrafficStars, not happy with results, Xcash has only 1 Italy offer
But I will test Xcash offer with Traffic Junky tomorrow and I tried to register account with Topoffers right now and I get error saying my email is in their system already but when I go forgot password they don't have my email in their system..

I don't know when it's the time to try other GEO since I almost tried all offers available for IT, I have to test 300x250 TrafficJunky and Xcash offer on TrafficJunky and that's it, that can be done tomorrow, if I don't get good results I can search for new geo?

Stats for 28.3.2019. are:

1) Traffic Junky 300x99 Revenue $6.71 Cost $52.17 ROI -87%

2) Traffic Stars 300x100 Revenue $2.90 Cost $15.55 ROI -81%

3) Traffic Stars 300x250 Revenue $4.15 Cost $16.12 ROI -74%

Total Revenue $13.76 Total spent $83.84 ROI -84%

dimounique

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Yup, but they have multiple landers for that offer, sometimes they perform like different offers, try it

They have an account here on STM, try to send them a PM, they do monitor their inbox as far as I know.

Yes you can, I didn't get my first GEO profitable either, had to switch to find success, sometimes it works like that.

The ROI you are getting really doesn't look good at all. It can still be your creatives though ... or the campaign setup. Can you tell me more about your targeting and how high you bid, plus the frequency cap?

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Yeah I know about that, I contacted my AM from Xcash and will test today, I will take 5 landers probably.They also gave me creatives last time.


I will drop them a PM.



About targeting -

I target Mobile only,
Wifi only
IOs and Android(I could add windows phone but dunno how much could I scale that)
Browser language - Italian
All browsers
Target group - straight
About Frequency capping I can't find that, at Campaign overview it says that frequency capping is in capping section but when I open that I don't see frequency capping so I don't know where to edit that on TrafficJunky, on TrafficStars my frequency capping was 1/24, I read that 1/24 or 2/24 is best.

This is one bid http://prntscr.com/n4ked4 I stopped whole campaign but I was reciving a lot of traffic from that spot
And this is second http://prntscr.com/n4kfcj here I recieved 96% of all traffic, because there is only one bider that's doing some keyword targeting so I had all traffic from that spot
I had 2 more bids but I didn't get any traffic from that spots I don't know why, Youporn Mobile - Underplayer and Redtube Mobile - Underplayer
Funny thing for redtube underplayer is this http://prntscr.com/n4kge7 , there aren't any biders and I didn't get even 10 impressions, I don't know why's that.
This is my last bid http://prntscr.com/n4kgxl , I didn't get any traffic from there I don't know why too, my bid was okey and those 2 biders did keyword targeting so I'm confused why I didn't get atleast something.

Now I will create 300x250 on TrafficJunky with same setup as yesterday and I will start Xcash campaign asap.

First of all I wanna thank you for helping me, it means a lot for me, the start is so hard bro, because I don't have anything that I know it works for sure, I always have to guess banner, landing page, offer, traffic source, having one proven working stuff from that four would help me a lot, but we all have to start somewhere, I just won't stop testing new campaigns and geos until I find green ROI, I know that media buying works, since almost all ad spaces are bought by affiliates but they probably have advantage as higher payouts or cheaper traffic, also I don't make my own banners at the moment, I know it's a lot smarter to do that but I want to see a campaign getting atleast 20-30% Negative ROI then I would create a banner, but since I don't have proven landing page and offer I think I should stick to stolen ones, it would take me whole day to create banners and they maybe won't work becuase my offers sucks or landing page, and I won't find an answer on that question :/

I wanted to ask you few questions about starting new campaign:

1) Should I create both 300x250 and 300x100? Sometimes I see that 300x250 performs a lot better and sometimes 300x100 performs a lot better, so I think creating both is best option?

2) How many banners, landing page and offers should I choose to start with? Something like 5 banners, 3 landing pages, 2-3 offers(recommended by AM) sounds good?
When I created my first campaigns, month ago, I used 5 banners - 2 lps - 2 offers but there is big chance that 2 lps aren't good, as I said I don't have anything proven that works so It's a bit harder for me at start that's why I want to use like 20 banners and 10 lps and 10 offers so there is a bigger chance to get some profitable combination.

3) Should I keep creating just WiFi campaigns, if they work, I can create 3g too, I read that if it works on wifi it will probably work on cellular traffic too, but cellular is higher priced so I don't put that in same campaign as wifi, and I don't wanna make separate campaigns for that on the start so I keep just wifi for now.I also don't make separate campaigns for OS, I target both android and IOs in same campaign, but I know their price is not the same, but I think for start it's not very important.

I will take 5 landing pages from Xcash and test that, or maybe I should take more since I only have one offer?
Also I won't test TrafficStars anymore, I will stick to TrafficJunky as I think that quality is a lot higher.
Damn this was a very long post, sorry.

Dimounique

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Update

I stoped both TrafficStars campaigns yesterday and I decided to stick with TrafficJunky only, it's bigger chance that it will work on TJ than TS.

I also stopped 300x99 Campaign on TrafficJunky so there are no live campaigns at the moment.

The 300x250 campaign is still not working, I was talking with support like 5 times, they told me yesterday to wait 8 hours...After 15 hours my campaign still didn't recieve any traffic.
This morning I created same campaign from scratch, got my ads approved and again my campaign is not working, bids are live, ads are live, contacted support 2 times, they told me it's probably mistake in their system.

Contacted Topoffers, no reply from them, they were last active 3 days ago on STM so they probaly don't check inbox a lot.

About Xcash, they only have 1 Italy offer, my payout is $3 and my AM gave me 4 best landing pages that are connected to Offer so I don't have to use my landing page,
but I won't do that since I used gtmetrix.com to test loading speed of landing pages at London which is closest to Italy and loading speed was from 4 seconds to 7 seconds so no thanks.

I think it's a time to start testing new GEO tomorrow as I don't have any offers left for Italy.

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Update

TrafficJunky wasn't able to fix my italian campaign, they sent me email that my targeting is very specific, but same campaign with just different banner size, recieved a lot of traffic without a problem, I was targeting Italy, Iphone & Android, Wifi traffic and Italy browser, first they told me it's problem in their system then they told me it's my targeting but same campaign with same targeting just different banner size is working so that's not true at all.

I set my bids to second place and still didn't recieve traffic, my bids were active but I couldn't see them when I open bids for that spot( when you see green bar with your bid and amount of traffic you will recieve in %) and they sent me email that good thing about this is that my money won't be spent when I don't recieve traffic to my campaign, who cares about that when I don't get traffic and I can't optimize anything..

Then I decided to try France, made 2 campaigns on TrafficJunky, 300x250 and 300x99, All OS, Wifi, France as country and that's it, very basic targeting.

Both campaigns approved, and again one was not recieving traffic, I don't know what's going on with TrafficJunky, I want to use them because I know that they have quality traffic but I have a lot of problems with them.

The campaign that was recieving traffic, was profitable first 10 min, I spent like $1-$2 and got 2 conversions, $2 each, then I spent $20 more without conversions that day, and tomorrow $50 more without any conversions and I don't know how is that possible.

I used 5 banners, 5 landing pages and 2 SOI and 1 DOI offer, so I spend $2 and get 2 conversions then I spend $70 without any conversion, and I didn't touch anything at traffic source or my landing pages/banners.

Got one question, should I try pop/redirect traffic on adult network to find some good lp and offer and then get back to banner traffic so I atleast have proven landing page and offer so then I need to find only proven banners and traffic network, I think it's easier to find first lp and offer than banner, lp, offer and traffic network all at once, what do you think?

Dimounique

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Hello again

I did reply in this thread couple days ago, but looks like I screwed something up as the reply isn't here... not sure what went wrong

So let's take a look at the current situation.

TJ is acting a bit weird lately, I'm also having problems to get volume from some of the spots, especially PH. They sell part of their inventory to direct buyers and it's really not doing anything good to the bidding ecosystem. I just hope they are gonna fix this, since their traffic usually works well.

I can only thing about one possible reason that would limit delivery in your case, which would be the daily budget and the account balance. They confirmed this already a couple times, accounts with low balance get limited. Could that be your problem?

TJ has no capping for mobile traffic, so that's why. In other sources it's there and 1/24 is the right one to use when testing a new campaing.

Indeed, they can both perform well, so if you have the budget for it, target both.

This is about the budget again, you can start with 10x10 but in order to really properly test them all, you need to spend quite a lot. It can speed up the testing process of course, but as I said, you will need to buy more traffic to test them properly. \

The thing is, you should take it in steps ... try to find a good LP or two first, then move to banners. If you want to speed it up a bit, then let's start with 3 banners but use more landers, even 10 if you wish so. Identify the best 3 LPs and then throw 10 new banners at it, and again, identify the best 3 banners ... Repeat this process and you should improve with every round. I know it's hard in the beginning, when you have no proven winners that you could compare the new stuff with, but there is no other way pretty much.

The prices for 3G are not that much higher anymore, since carrier billing went down a lot. SO I'd say you can keep it all together in one campaign. Once you have some data, analyze the particular segments and if you see some of them working better, target just those and try to bid higher.

This is not the best idea, you need to refresh the banners. If you only rely on ripped ones, chances are you are trying to profit with saturated banners or maybe even poor banners that someone else is testing ... this is a very important part. You don't need to create new banners from scratch, sometimes all it takes is replacing the main image, that's not so hard to do.

I didn't have very good results with POP traffic for dating, but I know some people did, so it's pretty much up to you. I understand that you'd like to have one less step to worry about, but if you plan to move to banners again later on, you should focus on them right now and not waste time with pops. On top of that, even if you find a good LP with pops, you will still need to find banners that work well with it, so you will have to mess with banners anyways, just a few days later

If you can't find the offers for this GEO, then yes, it's time to move to another one.

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Hi Matuloo, thanks for your reply.

I don't even have Pornhub for 300x100 and 300x250, didn't have it in Italy, and I didn't have it in France, I only have YP, RT and T8 in France and Italy.

About balance, that shouldn't be the problem as I had $130 in balance and both campaigns were set to $50 daily so that would be $100 for whole day and I would still have $30 in my account, so I think that's not the problem.



Great, I will do both then so I can get more traffic then I will optimize when I get some stats.



I rip with adplexity and I set running days from like 4-10, I think that's good becuase no one won't run banner for 4-5 days if it's negative but also it's bad becuase that banner maybe died.

Anyway I will start using photoshop, I have 0 skills when it comes to photoshop but I know it's easy to just swap picture so that won't be the problem.


I guess I will stick to banners only then

About traffic network, should I stick to TrafficJunky? They told me if I deposit $100+ they will give me $50 bonus, and I did that and sent them email, they told me I have to answer some survey and they never sent it, I hate this network more and more, their 24/7 support are robots not people, all they can tell me is to send email to general support team then I wait 2 days for non-sense reply.

Do you reccommend any other network? I know Exoclick is good but I don't know what budget is required to block all bad performing sites and maybe Exoclick is not good for me since I don't have anything that's proven to work good.

Traffic stars, I spent $300-$400 there and I'm not happy with their traffic quality.

Should I maybe try Traffic Factory or Traffic Force?

Could you reccommend some network?

Also I made account on https://xoptimizer.io/ , did you try their service? It's still in beta but I think it's good.

Thank you for your help again Matuloo


Dimounique

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$130 is not much, but yes, with those smaller daily budgets it should still run fine, I guess.

Oh, you'd wonder. Many people run losing banners for several days, it could be part of a campaign with many banners rotating, so one losing banner wont do much damage and they might keep it in the mix just to keep variety higher. It can also be a newbie waiting for a miracle ... on top of that, the data in spytools can never be 100% accurate. And then there is the targeting, that banner can work with KW targeting for example, but won't with broad targeting.

One way or another, you need to learn how to do some simple banners at least, or find someone to do it for you, there is no way around this.

There is a lot to "hate" about this network, but their traffic is ok, so you gotta cope with it

I wouldn't go to exoclick without a solid funnel, their volume will eat you alive

TS is not a bad network, there are some issues happening there too, like very low CTRs sometimes, but their xhamster spots can work well.

Both of them are good, TFactory has lower prices, but more crap traffic in the mix, tons of VPNs in some GEOs. Tforce has higher prices so sometimes its hard to make it work, but people pay those prices for a reason.

I have a beta account there too, but have yet to try it, didnt really have time for it But looks like a good product.

You're welcome

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I might have missed it in the thread but was is your overall budget to test? I don't see how $10-100/day on pornhub has any significance. I think you require a LOT bigger adspent to make data based decisions. Just my thoughts but I hope I am wrong.

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You didn't miss it because I didn't mention that, my budget is fine based on all STM threads that I read, and about data, I don't want to spend $100 for $2 conversion so I stop the campaign.

The problem I have now is that Adobe Photoshop is not available in Serbia so I will create banners with GIMP and I don't like GIMP it's so complicated but will have to do it that way.

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Try to look at paintshoppro, it's a pretty good software for basic changes, my biz-partner is using it for banner edits frequently.

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I downloaded it, it lags a lot, very bad program in my opinion, I will master GIMP, just one question, I probably won't be able to edit gif banners, is that a problem?
I learned to edit pictures on banners using GIMP, so I know how to swap but I don't know how to swap gifs, it looks very hard for me.
Do you like more gif or static banners?

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Hm, weird, we're using it in the office quite often without any problem. I guess you tried some cracked version, maybe it was corrupt in some way?

You can do well with static banners, but later on, try to learn how to edit gifs too.

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I downloaded trial version from their official website, I don't like to work with cracked versions, I could download Adobe Photoshop from web but it may be infected so I play safe.

I will probably learn gif editing today or tomorrow if that's possible with GIMP, problem is, GIMP can't open gifts when you right click on gif and go open with, I don't get option as GIMP, I have to drop gif inside of GIMP but then I get 30 layers, each layer is one frame and I don't know how to edit that yet.

Do you edit gifs with paintshop pro?


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I found Adobe Photoshop and I learned all important stuff for banner editing, I can now edit static/animated banners and I also can make them from scratch, I thought all of that will be hard but I learned all of that in just 1 day.

I also changed hosting to Amazon S3 and their DNS & CDN but I'm not very happy with loading speed of one lander that I uploaded and yes 24 hours did pass.

I got 2 questions,

1. About banners downloaded from internet, what's the chance to be reported for copy right or something like that?

2. I currently have access to Adplexity adult, but I'm thinking to cancel the subscription so I can have more money to invest, will media buying be a lot harder for a starter without adplexity? I can still use VPN on phone/pc, I know that you can't see Cellular internet campaigns but I think only seeing WiFi campaigns is still good.
I also downloaded lots of banners and landing pages for next 10 countries that I want to target so I can just edit that when I want to target specific country.

Matej do you use spy tools?

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Great! This biz is all about taking action, many things look complicated but as soon as you dive in, it's a piece of cake

Very low, people do it all the time. But yes, the possibility is there so you need to make the call

You can spy through a VPN for sure and it will work well, to some extent. Some networks will detect it, so you won't be able to see the actual banners and funnels. Many affiliates cloak in order to hide their funnels and the all the cloakers "know" the most used VPNs ... using a good spytool is simply more convenient and will give you access to more data. Plus they have the "archives" you can browse, along with some data on how long the banners ran and where ... you can't get that with manual spying etc ...

Yup, I have all adplexity versions and use them frequently. But for me and my team, it's mostly about finding inspiration and stuff to modify. I don't just rip&run.

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Update:

So today I made again my France campaign on TJ, 300x250 only, Wifi+Cellular , All OS so basic targeting, just to see how everything goes

I used one banner from Adplexity(it's performing best ) and I edited 4 banners by adding my gifs, and text&CTA was same, one was denied, but I edited it and uploaded it again

So I started campaign with 4 banners, 5 landing pages and 7 offers - 3 from BrokerBabe (2 SOI and 1 DOI) and 4 from Revolution Force(4 SOI)

Campaign was fine till the midnight, it was in negative roi but like $15 revenue and $20 cost, and that was okey for me but as the time pass and night comes cost was increasing and increasing and I wasn't getting conversions, but I just didn't want to stop it, because campaign was good during the day.

Stats as I write this are:

Cost: $78
Revenue: $31.20
ROI:-60%

I cut one LP because it had 1 CR and One offer without any CR, these are offer conversions http://prntscr.com/ncyxoj I will probably leave just best one tomorrow, or first and second offer because second offer is not that far.

The big problem that I run into is cost that's shown on TrafficJunky ads and cost shown on Voluum Ads

So I click on all alive ads on TJ and I see one cost there and totally different cost on Voluum for same AD ID

And yes I manually updated cost but Voluum is just not doing it like it should, also click loss is very big on some AD IDs, I made an excel for that but you can check the picture http://prntscr.com/ncyywi

I will post picture here too, but sometimes picture won't load so you have link ^

I think xoptimizer will help me but it can't load my campaigns for some reason so I have to do it like this, and this is confusing me a lot
because I want to cut banners by their ecpc from TJ by looking banner CPV and EPV on Voluum but stats are very different, Voluum shows me that banner is like 20% ROI while that banner is actually -50% ROI

Anyway, tomorrow i will cut offers and landing pages so my ROI should increase a lot

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Are you running Pornhub mobile footer? That click loss is always off by like 10-15% in TJ.

I always just add 10-15% to my CPC in Voluum when running Pornhub mobile lol

If you're gonna run on TJ you're going to have to learn to deal with their disastrous platform lol

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Yeah I run PH mobile footer, and I hate TJ because everything is slow, my dashboard have delay of 5 seconds when I click on anything, but traffic is okey so I will stick with it

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Today is very bad day for my campaign, I spent $20 and got only 1 conversion, ROI almost -90%, yesterday with $20 spent I had 5-6 conversion now only one, I cut landing pages and offers, I got 2 LPs and 2 offers that were performing best yesterday, also I don't want to cut spots yet but PH is spending a lot, I get conversions from PH but banner ctr is bad but PH is like 70-80% of all traffic so cutting it will result in big traffic loss so I'm tryng to optimise other stuff that won't reduce my traffic


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What you are experiencing is a typical not-strong-enough campaign, it does convert, but either stops after a few leads or simply doesn't work good enough. Miracles don't happen in AM, so some small optimizations will not make it green.

In most cases, when this happens to me, it's the ADs that need to get improved. But it never hurts to try more LPs or offers too, of course. Also, make sure you check the tech part: hosting, CDN ... unstable conversions can be tied to tech problems too.

The clickloss is extremely high, it shouldnt be more than 10% +/- with TJ, something is wrong. BTW: are you sure you're checking the same time periods both in Voluum and TJ, this can cause a lot of confusion. Are you seeing such big differences with other traffic source or other sites on TJ? I've never had 50% clickloss with TJ, not even close to that.

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Yeah I thought it's becuase of that, I read that good campaigns are green 24 hours daily, which unfortunately is not my case, yet.
I will change ADs and offers tomorrow, waiting for Advidi to approve me 3 offers, about LPs I downloaded 30 from Adplexity and all of them have some ultra security so I wasn't able to point them to my tracking link.

CTR on PH is 0,1 and on YP 0,3 and YP was very good yesterday, I was in green for few hours but today I got only one conversion for all 4 spots

CR dropped from 7% to 0,85%

Hosting and CDN should be okey as I recieve clicks to offers, as you can see on this screenshot of my awful stats http://prntscr.com/nde71c

Cost $44.90 Revenue $2.55


In TJ I couldn't change time to +1 GMT(my time) so I changed Voluum time to -5 GMT, so Voluum and TJ are in same time zone, so that's not the problem.
Tbh on my earlier campaigns I wasn't checking AD ID on Voluum and TJ, I did that first time yesterday, and I was pissed off when I discovered that almost half of the costs are not matching TJ costs, so many tools for AM and I have to manually check costs for each AD.

I'm starting few campaigns on TrafficStars tomorrow, and soon on TrafficFactory so I will see about clickloss, can't say anything atm.


And one question, I read all the time that people get first green campaign after 40-50 red ones, but I wanna know how much should I spend per campaign to decide should I shut it down or not, every campaign costs me $100-$150, I can't afford to make 50 campaigns like that, could I like spend $25 daily for 2 days and then shutdown campaign if it's not like atleast -40% or -50% ROI, I know there are rules to spend x2/x3 offer payout of every combination before doing anything but 5 banners, 5 lps and 5 offers are 125 combinations and that's like $300 and it's offer payout x1 not x2 or x3.

Do you sometimes see in first hour/two that your campaign may be a winner/looser?

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Doesn't have to be like that, not every single hour will be profitable, but you need to have more green hours than red... so most hours should be green, and some of them can go red, but not the other way around.

Some clicks can go through, even when the host is experiencing problems, but part of them might timeout ... but since you see the loss in Voluum already, the loss wont be tied to your hosting. Still worth checking it all.

Cool, let us know what it looks like. As I said the loss is way too high.

Hard to say when to call it a day. But think about it this way ... in case you're running at like -60% or so, there is obviously some mismatch withing the funnel and it won't turn green all of a sudden. But the offer might still be good, so it would be a bad decision to stop testing it. So let's not call it "shutting down a campaign" but rather stopping a particular funnel and replacing some of it's parts or all of it. After about $50 in spend, you should be able to tell if some parts of the funnel show promise or not.

Let's take the example you have shown : Cost $44.90 Revenue $2.55 ... it's pointless to push this further, you need a different funnel. No need to spend another $50 on it. Hard to give you an exact sum here, but I would say that after about $50 in traffic, you should be able to tell whether the funnel has some parts that show promise or you need to scratch it completely.

I do, total losers are easy to spot, they simply bomb early. The clear winners are also easy to spot, as they shot to breakeven or profit straight away. Then there is a lot of campaigns in between, those need more time. But keep one thing in mind, I've ran a ton of dating so I have a lot of solid banners and LPs and I know what the performance of an offer should be. Without this experience I wouldn't be able to tell that soon of course.

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So I'm currently using TrafficStars, and clickloss for yesterday was between 2% and 3% which is really awesome.
I made same campaign like I did on TrafficJunky, but I uploaded 5 banners, 5 landing pages and 3 offers that had few CR on TJ.

By some reason I only had 2 banners running, dunno why they didn't upload rest of my banners, I also didn't get any notice.
One banner was performing really bad so I cut it, also 2 offers had 0 conversions and third one had 4 so I let only that offer to run.

That tird offer was profitable with 2 landing pages, my overall campaign was -70% ROI but I had paths that were in green,
everything was going okey until 19th April started, 55 visits, 1 LP click, I will have to fix the funnel, I know that offer works, that offer is good on TJ and on TS but my funnel is bad, but I just can't understand, on 18th April I had positive paths, so Like Landing page 1 and landing page 3 were in green while 2,4,5 were in Red.
And next day I can't get a click to my offer, it's not like CTR lowered from 20% to 10%, CTR lowered from 20% to 2%
I will make new funnel from scratch I know I have to do that, I don't want to stop testing this offer because it gives me nice results.

I just got few questions about angles, I read few threads about angles and I wrote 21 angles myself but I wanna know how to use them?
If I add them to banner, do I need to have some of that text on my landing page too? How to connect banner and landing page angle? I mean if my banner is about milfs, I know I can't have teens on landing page, or if my banner is for instagram sex and landing page is for whatsapp sex I know that's bad, but I don't know how to connect these 2, should my landing page confirm the story of the banner somehow? Also about offers, they should be connected to LP or Banner somehow right?
And if I want to test 4-5 offers, and one is whatsapp while other is snapchat offer, that can't work right? Because I need whatsapp and snapchat banners and landing pages and then most of the paths will be wrong? You can test 4-5 offers at once only if they are like general or something? If I want to test whatsex I should make campaign with just whatsapp banners and landing pages, same goes for like snapchat, am I right?

Sorry for so many questions, but I know that angles are important, good banner design won't help me if angle is wrong.


Dimounique

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They have a "flagging" system in place, so banners get tagged with certain flags and based on that, they won't be able to run on some sources, xhamster for example. So if they flag the ad for xham, it won't get much traffic. Try to check that, it might be the case.

This happens with low volumes, sometimes you're just unlucky and get a high % of bots, which can be a significant part of the overall volume, when using a low daily budget. When you get served that crap, it's often good to pause the campaign and make a new one.

I've spend a lot of time on trying to come up with super consistent funnels... so carrying the same message from the banner all the way to the offer. I was 100% sure it HAD to be that way in order to profit. To my surprise, I often reached better results when the consistency wasn't there. Now, I'm not saying that you shouldn't try to be consistent as it often really helps, but it's not like you cannot play with it and quite often you would find profitable campaigns even when there was a milf on the banner and the final offer focused on younger models. You really need to test this and try both approaches.

Based on my tests, the consistency was more important "from banners to LPs"... To put it simple, if you can come up with a strong enough angle for your banners and LPs, the users will signup even to a non-related offer

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