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My 40 Day Tutorial With Binom (46)

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Hi everyone! Just getting started here. I've chosen ThriveTracker as my tracker, and I've been accepted to Mobidea and Peerfly and have signed up on PropellerAds. I've applied to a few offers on Mobidea already and have talked to my AM on peerfly for some recommendations.

Note: As of April 4, using Binom tracker. Requested title change

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Tagging the Thrive support: @ThrvTrkr so they get notified about this thread and help you out

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thanks mate!

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Thanks @matuloo for the tag, much appreciated!

Hey there @thehound - happy to help you out here. I'd like to go ahead and reach out to you by PM so we can discuss your specific account details and get things straightened out in a fast and efficient manner, so be on the lookout for my message in your inbox!

Cheers,

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Continuing to follow along on day 3, however as it mentions in day 3 guide: "5)Go back to Voluum, click on "Offers" > "+ New Offer". Paste the final offer link you've just copied, into the "Offer URL" field.


6)Now we fill in the rest of the offer information in Voluum, by copying from the Offers Spreadsheet.

Copy the "Offer ID and Name" name from the spreadsheet, go to Voluum, paste into the "Offer Name" field.

Specify "Country" as the country your offer will accept, 'Affiliate network" as "Mobidea", and hit "Save"."


In Thrive as you can see there is no field for country, it's required that I enter a value per conversion (should be auto?), offer group and an offer cap. What would the difference be here?

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Each tracker is a bit different, so there will be some differences in the campaign setup. I'm not using Thrive, so not sure if they have a country setting for offer, but I'm sure Stephen will help you with that.

As for the value per conversion, this depends on the affiliate network you will be using, some are able to pass the value in the postback, but not all of them. So you will need to tweak this setting for every new offer, based on the particular network's abilities.

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I'm unsure what's going on with the discrepancies between the signups showing, even amongst Mobidea itself. Anyone know? I've included the video of what I'm referring to in this dropbox link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7s2zt1yqph...icEd..mov?dl=0

Like where is the offer thats showing 34 conversions? In the offers section it only shows 1. I've only been running traffic today and yesterday and the campaign from yesterday got 0. My balance is going up in Mobidea so I'm getting money from somewhere lol

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These are conversions from fallback offers, that traffic get's routed to in case the original offer was pulled, stopped working, reached cap or when the traffic doesn't match the required targeting. This happens with all networks from time to time, but it's very common with Mobidea ... pretty much every mobidea follow along lately reports this. Looks like their offers are all capped or unstable lately.

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Thanks! Is there any way to find out what the fallback offers are?

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I've been getting wildly different visits amongst my tracker and affiliate network. I've been testing bemob, which is showing 7041 visits yesterday but Mobidea is only showing 5216. I had 2 conversions which have been posted correctly in both sources. Propeller is showing about 13,000 impressions (the 2 conversions are also showing correctly here)

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Hey there @thehound

There is no requirement in Thrive for classifying your offer by country like you would find in a Voluum account. Additionally, there are no pre-loaded affiliate networks to classify your offers by, either. We do this to allow users full autonomy in their account data - you classify your account according to what matters most to you and what your organizational style requires. No blanket classifications are used across our clients whatsoever.

Meanwhile, the default payout on an offer would be overridden if the network passes back a dynamic value in their postback URL or pixel. Without their dynamic value, the default payout you determined in the offer card will be utilized per conversion received.

While a slight descrepancy between platform numbers is normal, the descrepancies you've shown in your video are certainly worth a little investigation. Let's connect to ensure that the connections are configured correctly between each and ensure Thrive is receiving all the correct information

Cheers,

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Clickloss is normal.

Specifically for clickloss from the tracker to the offer, it can only be caused by one of the following reasons as far as I can gather:

-Tracker redirection speed. I believe bemob is cloud-based - if that's the case, there's nothing you can do to speed this up (and assuming they know what they're doing, it should be fast anyway). If you're using a self-hosted tracker, then getting a faster server with more resources may alleviate the issue.

Even for cloud-based trackers, the speed may vary from tracker to tracker. If you have concerns, it really wouldn't hurt to get a subscription from Voluum for example (they've come out with a cheap plan recently - $62/month I believe - look in the discounts subforum), launch the exact same campaign on that and on your original tracker, and compare stats.

-Affiliate network redirect speed (less likely a problem for major networks) and/or offer loading speed (a much more probably culprit).


And you can't do much about the latter - the only thing you can do is stop running that particular offer.

This is yet another reason to test as many offers as you reasonably can - because there are so many reasons why an offer won't convert well.


Some networks will show specific offers when you dig into offer stats in your affiliate dashboard. Some will just keep it black-boxed and log the offer under a type of smart link. Best to check with your AM.

The more important thing to ask is WHY your visitors are being redirected in the first place? Are you targeting traffic that isn't accepted by the intended offer?




Amy

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As at April 5, 2019 currently using Binom. Thought this should be reflected in thread title

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Trying to get the hang of Binom now. Think I've gotten it setup correctly on all my aff. networks but we'll see. Gonna put up a test campaign on propellerads with 4 offers and 5 landing pages. sweeps. Hopefully everything posts correctly. I've seen a post on implementing the bot script so I'll have to figure that out. For now I just want to get this campaign up and see if everything is good on the tracker side. I believe without the bot script in place I can do smart rotation for paths, LP's and offers? With the bot it would be paths and LP's only?

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Not sure if I've setup the bot detector script here correctly . Setup a test campaign with only one lander and one offer (+ the bot detector offer)

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Just to confirm if I'm doing this bot detector script right with Binom, just confused about some parts I'm following in this post.

1. Create landing page with two offers.

2. Ensure CTA is https://yourtracker.net/click.php?lp=1&to_offer=1

3: Add the following lines of code to the landers:

Add above closing body tag:


<script>

u1 = "https://yourtracker.net/click.php";

u2 = "lp=1&to_offer=2";

document.write('<iframe src="' + u1 + "/" + u2 + '"></iframe>');

</script>






Add to header:


<style>iframe {
visibility: hidden;
position: absolute;
left: 0; top: 0;
height:0; width:0;
border: none;
}</style>






Add to body (Binom mobile bot script):


<script>
if (typeof(window.orientation)=="undefined")
{
var o = document.createElement("img");
o.src='https://yourtracker.net/click.php?event9=0';
}
else
{
var o = document.createElement("img");
o.src='https://yourtracker.net/click.php?event9=1';
}
</script>






After head and before body (back button redirect):


<script type="text/javascript">
! function() {
var t;
try {
for (t = 0; 10 > t; ++t) history.pushState({}, "", "#");
onpopstate = function(t) {
t.state && location.replace("https://yourtracker.net/click.php?lp=1&place=backfix")
}
} catch (o) {}
}();
</script>








Javascript CTA to confuse bots (maybe in body?)


<div>
<a href="javascript:void(0)" rel="noreferrer" onclick="exit_offer();PreventExitPop = false" class="cta_class";>CTA Text</a>
</div>




<script type="text/javascript">
function exit_offer() {
window.onbeforeunload=null;
window.location = "https://yourtracker.net/click.php?lp=1";
}
</script>


Now the part I'm confused about. The post mentions:

"So in our case, we want to send to 2 distinct offers. The real offer, and the Bot Detection. So the links on your landers should look like this

Real Offer -> http://yourtracker.com/click.php?lp=1&to_offer=1
Bot Offer-> http://yourtracker.com/click.php?lp=1&to_offer=2 "

So I see that I put the https://yourtracker.net/click.php?lp=1&to_offer=1 as the link for the CTA's on the landers, but where do I put the http://yourtracker.com/click.php?lp=1&to_offer=2 ?

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Figured out the bot detector on Binom with the help of another member here, so thank you very much for that @angle-lytics. For others who were confused and using Binom you only need one script:

<!--binom mobile bot script-->
<script>
if (typeof(window.orientation)=="undefined")
{
var o = document.createElement("img");
o.src='http://tracker.net/click.php?event9=0';
}
else
{
var o = document.createElement("img");
o.src='http://tracker.net/click.php?event9=1';
}
</script>



Obviously replacing the tracker links with yours. Then you go in binom and add:

In the tracker settings, you need to create a new column (Settings - Stats settings - Columns - Add custom column) ) with the following settings:



Which will then look like this when you drill down to zone ID to see which placements are high in bot traffic:

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Also really like in Binom how you can easily add notes directly into the campaign in a really simple way to help keep yourself organized and remember the last thing you did in it:

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Following the guide, got quickly to the point where one of the offers in my rotation got 2 conversions without being cut, so i paused the others and let it run exclusively. However, some of the paused offers are still getting conversions, weird

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Sorry for the late reply! Been busy finishing and promoting the What's Working in Affiliate Marketing report.

I've changed your thread title to reflect the fact that you've switched to Binom.

Glad you were able to figure out the coding issues with some help from another member!

Yup - sometimes delayed conversions can come in (e.g. people have multiple tabs open and don't complete conversion until later). I wouldn't worry too much about those, and would just make campaign decisions without waiting for or considering them. That is, unless the nature of your offer is such that more than a couple of delayed conversions are happening. If that's the case, you'd need to factor this into your decisions. But let's cross that bridge IF we get there, because you won't likely encounter this situation with low-payout CPA offers.



Amy

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Just launched a new campaign yesterday based of my AM's offer recommendations, and interestingly enough my back button redirect campaign for the OG campaign has gotten more conversions. The main campaign has 2 leads and they're both for one offer so I'll cut the other offers and optimize to get the best lander now

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Still running this campaign I set up yesterday. Have it spending $30 daily right now. Here's where I'm at looking at the landers over the campaign lifetime. Note that I had drilled down into both my main campaign and my back button redirect campaign here which is labelled as "DIRECT". The BBR campaign is getting me a nice bit of conversions actually.







and here's todays stats on the landers. getting closer.....




and finally here's a look at the zones over the course of the camp lifetime. Unsure as to how to proceed with these. looks like im getting conversions here and there from very small traffic placements

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Wow that's some sweet performance on the backbutton! So you're just sending visitors directly to the offer? Looks like direct-linking is converting at a similar rate as your in-the-lead lander!

As for getting leads here and there with small placements - yeah that will be the case in many cases. You can just cut placements that in loss by 2x payout even now, but once you're profitable or lander split testing is finished, drill down to your best lander as first level and then into placements as second level, and resume the ones that look hopeful (<2x payout in loss for example) and run them some more.

Could you also please show the same placement stats, but sorted in descending order by conversions? And then also show the same sorted in desc. order of impressions? If so I'll take another look.


Amy

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using STM Forums mobile app

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Yes! I'm split testing the 3 original offers I had in the BBR campaign. The offer performing best in the redirect campaign is also not the sole remaining offer in the main campaign too, though i think I know why. Here's the zoneid stats:

Sorted by conversions:






Sorted by impressions

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Also heres todays stats for zoneid:

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Unfortunately the campaign mentioned above the offer had paused. I had been running another campaign simultaneously and here's the stats:

Lifetime campaign stats:







this mornings stats after doing cutting down to one offer and one lander/cutting some placements the last couple days:





lifetime zone stats sorted by conversions:

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As of this evening my ROI on this campaign has been hovering around 70% with about $10 profit today so far. The only optimizing I've done is cut it down to a single offer and single lander. Have only cut a single placement due to highish bot %. Doubling my ad spend for tomorrow and excited to see what this brings

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Also Amy just curious since you're Canadian too. What method do you recommend choosing for getting paid by affiliate networks, i.e. direct deposit, PayPal, etc?

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Unfortunately conversion rate has gone way down on this campaign today. hovering around break even compared to 65% ROI and $10 profit yesterday. Clicks are similar, CTR slightly lower. Just conversion rate is the missing factor today. hopefully it's just an off day. But still pretty good for very minimal optimization

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If my traffic estimate looks like this at smart cpm bid of 3.33:





and looks like this at bid of 4.33:





is it even worth bidding higher?

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Been busy with some affiliate stuff thats semi unrelated to what I've been doing in this thread and its going quite well which is exciting, so thats been taking up most of my time lately. Other than that, I'm going to continue and get setup on AdCombo for some offers there. Roman was kind enough to help me figure out binoms ecommerce setting which in adcombo shows 3 different states: hold, lead (sale) and reject. You can see the input here: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ombo-and-Binom

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Interesting! Never knew it was possible to post back the various stages of conversions to the tracker! Thanks for sharing!

So happy to hear about your success! Not trying to pry or ask for any other details, but does it also have to do with push traffic?


Amy

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using STM Forums mobile app

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Quite unrelated. Working with a guy I've known for a while doing lead gen in the financial vertical with social media advertising. Still very interested in doing push with AdCombo's COD offers and will get back on that within the week

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wanted to give a quick update since I haven't been super active in my follow along lately. been running the same lead gen offer with this guy and it's been doing $100-200 in profit daily so far. just looking to test some new audiences to see if we can get our costs down further and looking to scale it. definitely think this can do $1K+ daily



Sent from my iPhone using STM Forums mobile app

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Financial vertical on social media - that's a HUGE vertical with HUGER (word?) potential.

If I were you, I would devote 100% of my time to that instead of splitting my energy.

But you'll come back to update us on your progress? Would be great to know when you reach 1k/day - and I have a feeling you'll be doing that quite soon!



Amy

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I will definitely update! I was in this vertical and same traffic source before but never had success in it. But now I'm back with the knowledge I've gained through your beginners guide + the general affiliate knowledge I've gained since joining STM and finally seeing good results in it!

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Fantastic! You're a testament to the fact that sometimes, just dabbling will not produce good results.

Will you be at AWE next month? Would be lovely to meet you!



Amy

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We had close to a $200 profit day yesterday, just trying to figure out how we can scale it. We're using snapchat and increasing the budget seemed to bring the ROI way down, so we'll try duplicating the ad set next. I didn't really want to jump into social media this quick, however this is all of my friends money investing in these campaigns (im getting only a small cut for managing it), and I started doing facebook ads for my day job, so I'm essentially learning for free, so figured it's as good of a time as it could be

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Getting a job as a media buyer is the best way to learn!

You're more able to make decisions with a clear head, since the money isn't yours (not to say you don't care, but you'd tend to be more objective compared to if you were spending your own money).

So excited for you - looking forward to seeing more growth in your near future!



Amy

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Still doing lead gen, but decided to have fun with a push campaign with an offer I've run in the past. Here's the stats for the two landers:




I'm testing a new lander which is getting a significantly higher CTR (its the one at 70%). This lander is also profitable in the most high volume zone while the other is not. It's been hovering around breakeven today (launch day), getting profitable slightly, then below, then above etc etc. I'm thinking of playing with the bid a bit. Would you recommend testing a lower bid? I'm using propellers recommended bid + 1cent right now, I'm thinking that I could test a lower bid to see if the volume is still there to see if I can reduce costs

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Nice comeback!

You already know this but I'm gonna leave a gentle reminder: Lander CTR doesn't mean much, except in cases where it's hopelessly low. Best to judge landers based on conversions and cut them using a stats calculator.

Testing both lower and higher bids have their respective advantages.

Lower bid = lower quality (not for sure, but in general) but lower cost

Higher bid = higher quality (again, not always) but higher cost

So you have 2 opposing trends at play, which can result in higher or lower ROI and profits. So only actual testing will tell.

Great to see you still in the game running your own stuff on the side! That's how a lot of big affiliates got started.



Amy

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Thanks! I actually tested a new lower bid, and guess what? See it here!





however after checking up on my campaign later in the day I noticed the dreaded....



tracker domain banned!

Binom support is always amazing and it's super easy to get your tracker domain switched up which I did asap. Thankfully I noticed quickly as I was about to up the budget to $100 daily! All in all due to catching it quick it only ended up costing me about $13. Huge thanks to Vladimir at Binom support for helping me get switched asap. Will always recommend you guys

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This error usually means that your computer's clock is wrong. So make sure you are not in the future

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unsure. it was fine one hour and then not the next so im not sure about that. however, I have learned that Google was having some outage issues so perhaps this was the cause. Regardless, I like the name of my new tracker domain anyways

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I know I asked you for advice on something similar to this before but I figured you'd be the best to ask this since you're also in Toronto and I assume you've already been through this process, but do you have any recommendations for accountants in Toronto or steps to follow for incorporating? I'm generating enough revenue at this point where I think it's about time I get serious about this and incorporate


Here's the steps I'm thinking of taking. Is there anything I'm missing?


1. Register domain name


2. Setup PO Box or mailing address for business address (don't want my home address listed publicly)


3. File articles of incorporation (provincially or federally?)


4. Setup business bank account (Any recommendations? I've heard RBC for this)


5. Business debit and credit card?


6. Talk to a lawyer and accountant?


Hope you're having fun in Barcelona if you're already there for AWE!

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Almost everything you listed is optional.

I can't recommend any accountants - the one I'm using is providing the service because we're friends. Doesn't do it professionally anymore.

You can get incorporated online yourself:

https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cd-dgc...g/cs06939.html

However - there are pros and cons to incorporating a business. I would urge you to consult with an accountant before making the decision. It may be a lot more hassle than it's worth.



Amy

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