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Hey everybody! My name is Viktor. Ive been lurking STM for just over a month now and i must say i learned a lot. I was hoping to start follow along after i actually start to get some profit but honestly im completely lost right now.
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All that time, i was mostly getting into technical aspect of the game. How to create good landers, creatives, how to optimize campaigns. I feel pretty confident about that aspect but as you know, thats not all.
As i see AM right now- my job is to create good lander and sell the idea to user. Also buy this user for as cheap as possible, that is not that hard actually. But after that, user still goes to offer page and that is where problem starts.
Let me just share results from my last campaign.
Country: Kenya
vertical: Iphone sweep, pin submit, small payout of 0.80c
traffic source: Zeropark.
type: POP

I started first camp with standart traffic(medium quality), tried 4 diff. landers. Cut off 3 of em. Best one shows CTR of 13.5%. 1372 clicks=0 conversions. Lander specifically says- in order to participate in the giveaway you need to submit your phone number on the next page.
Today i optimized lander a bit more, tried Premium traffic. Make the message even more clear and obvious- If you want to participate, it is very important to fill your phone number, it is requirement of our sponsor. With this lander got 17.73 CTR. 1043 clicks=0 conversions.
During this camp. tried 3 different offers, although they probably from the same company as they look almost identical.
Offer ask for specific carrier- got that in ZP camp. settings ant confirmed by Voluum.

Problem is, as i just getting started, i dont know if i just dont get how to make them convert OR i made a technical mistake somewhere and conversions just doesnt record. But i checked every step million times already.
I had that problem before, almost no conversion but i kept working on my angles and landers and all i got now is high CTR. I did had some conversions though(not in this camp.) so problem shouldnt be on my side.
So im lost, does pin submits just doesnt work? Maybe offer is piece of XXXX? Maybe i need to be more aggressive?

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Hey @orangeman

If you need any hints/advice or tips, feel free to reach out to support@zeropark.com We're happy to help!

Thanks.

Neill
Zeropark Team

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Hey @zeropark!

Ive been going through Voluum stats and found this:
As far as i understand, clickid is a specific user right? So does this mean, someone clicked 17 times on a CTA button?

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Usually BOTs do this ... or some script on the LP caused the user to be running in a loop.

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Hey @orangeman

Thanks for pointing it out we will look into it. if you could provide more information such as time-range and the campaign name in Zeropark to support@zeropark.com we will check this out.

Thanks
Neill

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@orangeman in such cases, it might be worth checking the report for the campaign by the IP category as well - to check if the click IDs with multiple clicks are associated with one IP address.
OR, as matuloo pointed out, it might not be an issue with the traffic but the script on your LP i.e. backbutton script that generates click events when the user clicks the backbutton (which is not correct - click events should be generated only by clicking the CTA button/buttons on your LP).

To sum up, you should definitely provide ZeroPark with the details for this campaign - they will check it and get back to you.

Karolina

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Big thanks to everyone for suggestions! Lets dig this a bit more...
First of all, this is not LP script problem. Few clickid`s did multi clicks, but if you check whole list and scroll down- about 90% of clickid`s did 1 click.

Now, for the IP category. It is actually same IP doing that stuff. thanks @Voluum for suggestion


So, in this case, right play for me would be try to locate specific placement which provides me with this poor clicks and cut it off right?
I will try to get to @zeropark too, will post updates about this

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You can also block some IPs in Voluum, but if Im not wrong, the limit is for just 50 IPs, so you should only do this for IPs that really ANNOY the hell of you

Things like this happen all the time and though it's messing with the stats, it's something we all have to deal with from time to time. It's always a good idea to check the IP report when attempting any optimization and get rid of placements that send a lot of such visits.

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Yes, exactly. Check the report by source/target as well.

To block the IPs in Voluum → use the IP / UA Filtering functionality. You can read more about it here. There's a limit - you can add up to 50 filtering rules in the table. BUT, for each rule you can define up to 50 lines either for the IP addresses / IP ranges or the user agents values.

Karolina

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Hey @orangeman

Ip/isp blocking is also available in Zeropark under the "my account" tab but again there is a limit so best to use it wisely and block and IP range rather then one IP unless that IP is a huge problem.

Thanks

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Nice start orangeman!

A few thoughts:

1)How are you cutting landers if you're not getting conversions? Have you been cutting based on CTR? If so, then that would be the wrong approach! (UNLESS the landers you've cut had impossibly-low CTR that could never result in profits.) Please see the post in my signature on how to cut landers using the peakconversion calculator.

2)When split testing landers, use proven offers - otherwise you'd get into this catch-22 situation you're in, where when you don't get conversions you're not sure whether it's your landers or offers that suck.

Make sure you test more landers too - try 5 - and make sure they are optimized for speed, display well, and function correctly.

Use offers that are recommended by AMs, or ones you've seen promising stats for on Adplexity for example. Offers that have a good track record in general.

Also: If an offer doesn't convert even once after a spend of 10x payout's worth of traffic, ditch it. Try to test lots of offers on low spend instead of wasting a ton of money testing a couple offers.

Lastly: Since you've never made a conversion yet, I would suggest to go over your ENTIRE infrastructure to make sure everything is set up according to instructions. This includes tracker domain, hosting, CDN, lander domain, aff links in tracker, tracker campaign settings, postback url at aff network.

Once you've verified/fixed all that, ask your AM for (or just pick a few yourself) a few offers that have ultra low payouts, and run something like $10 total to them. Monitor your aff network stats to watch for your first conversion. Once you see it, check your tracker to make sure you see it there too - if not, then your postback would need to be fixed.

Let's start with all that before potentially wasting further money!



Amy

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using STM Forums mobile app

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@orangeman If you need a hand, just let me know - I can help from the tracker's side!

I haven't even thought to suggest it myself because you said in your first post that the settings for the campaign were confirmed by Voluum, but now that I went back and checked, I guess you meant that you'd only asked the support about targeting a specific carrier.
Especially because it's your first (right?) campaign - it wouldn't hurt to double-check - if you devote your time now and go through your tracking settings once again to make sure the setup is correct, it might potentially save you tons of time, nerves and money in the future. Unfortunately, there's a lot of room for rookie mistakes to be made.

Karolina

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