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Insane overspend on Megapush on a 3 USD budget in 1-3 mins (25)
02-03-2019 01:19 PM
#1
telebind123 (Member)
Insane overspend on Megapush on a 3 USD budget in 1-3 mins
Hey,
I used MegaPush for FR, set a 3 USD budget limit at below average bid and about 1-3 mins later it was at -20 USD. I quickly proceed to stop the campaign but the clicks still kept coming. Right now its at -75 USD.
How are people able to use this? I set the lowest possible bid for FR at the time with a 3 dollar budget. How are you supposed to test campaigns with this amount of overspend?
I am just a bit confused here because I know that people have been using megapush but this is just an insane amount of overspend for a test campaign.
Is the strategy here to stop the campaign immediately after its active? But what if you're not there to pause it when its active? Is it not possible to spend less than 100 usd in a tier 1 geo for a test?
Currently I am at -75 USD and it is still spending. I stopped the campaign after like 1-3 mins. It will probably go negative against my initial 96 usd balance. This is not a very big amount for me to lose but I am totally mystified right now because I know people are using this platform somehow despite the insane overspend.
I've run push on other platforms and sure it might spend a bit more USD ($10 or so overspend on 20$ budget) than the budget but this is by far the largest overspend I have experienced especially on a single digit budget.
I guess I popped my cherry in getting screwed over by a traffic source. Starting to feel like a real AM now! ='^)
In the amount of time it took me to write this post I just spent 3 USD more so now its at -78 USD against my 100 usd deposit so 22$ left.
02-03-2019 03:16 PM
#2
telebind123 (Member)
To add to this, I feel very fortunate that my camp was rejected the first time. If I had left it going overnight unmoderated, I would probably be down a couple thousand. Got extremely lucky here.
02-03-2019 04:29 PM
#3
erikgyepes (Moderator)
I had the same issue 2 weeks ago, I totally overspent 700 dollars. Seems like they still not fixed this..
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02-03-2019 05:21 PM
#4
telebind123 (Member)

Originally Posted by
erikgyepes
I had the same issue 2 weeks ago, I totally overspent 700 dollars. Seems like they still not fixed this..
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Yeah I saw that thread but decided to use megapush anyways with a tiny budget and min bid. From what I understand, their system sends out thousands of notifications at once upon campaign approval so there is no way to throttle anything. If I hadn't stopped my camp within minuets, I would probably have lost around 700 as well.
Not sure how people are using megapush profitably.
02-03-2019 07:41 PM
#5
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Originally Posted by
telebind123
Yeah I saw that thread but decided to use megapush anyways with a tiny budget and min bid. From what I understand, their system sends out thousands of notifications at once upon campaign approval so there is no way to throttle anything. If I hadn't stopped my camp within minuets, I would probably have lost around 700 as well.
Not sure how people are using megapush profitably.
I would probably stay away from that network until they fix their system, people are reporting this problem left and right all the time. Check propeller in the meantime, they overspend a bit too, but very small amounts.
02-03-2019 08:20 PM
#6
sp33dr4ge88 (Member)
I am staying away for this very reason.
02-07-2019 07:57 AM
#7
AdMaven (Veteran Member)

Originally Posted by
telebind123
Yeah I saw that thread but decided to use megapush anyways with a tiny budget and min bid. From what I understand, their system sends out thousands of notifications at once upon campaign approval so there is no way to throttle anything. If I hadn't stopped my camp within minuets, I would probably have lost around 700 as well.
Not sure how people are using megapush profitably.
Not sure they send out thousands of Push all at once, it's just that with large inventories you can get a surge of traffic all at once because your campaign is new to the Algo, usually the Algo sends traffic in accordance to your CTR% (That's how our Algo works anyhow) so once the campaign has been approved he has zero data to work on, pretty sure once you buy some traffic it evens out. this might be an issue with the Algo or just settings on the campaign itself. We have ASAP and Evenly distribution, it makes people reach their campaign caps really early in the day, we haven't encountred a campaign that swallowed all of the budget all at once though.
02-07-2019 10:22 AM
#8
letscpa (Member)
Have you tried to ping the support? I'm excited to know their reaction.
02-07-2019 12:39 PM
#9
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Originally Posted by
am2015
Not sure they send out thousands of Push all at once, it's just that with large inventories you can get a surge of traffic all at once because your campaign is new to the Algo, usually the Algo sends traffic in accordance to your CTR% (That's how our Algo works anyhow) so once the campaign has been approved he has zero data to work on, pretty sure once you buy some traffic it evens out. this might be an issue with the Algo or just settings on the campaign itself. We have ASAP and Evenly distribution, it makes people reach their campaign caps really early in the day, we haven't encountred a campaign that swallowed all of the budget all at once though.
Their algo is fucked up at the moment, there have been several threads about this here on STM, I've seen people complaining on facebook etc ... so it's not a campaign problem setup. Their algo simply sends to many notifications are once, that's it.
02-07-2019 12:55 PM
#10
AdMaven (Veteran Member)

Originally Posted by
matuloo
Their algo is fucked up at the moment, there have been several threads about this here on STM, I've seen people complaining on facebook etc ... so it's not a campaign problem setup. Their algo simply sends to many notifications are once, that's it.
Fucked up Algo can rick havoc, though this sort of things can happen, push notification, unlike pop, for instance, has volumes of impressions that in my years in the industry I have never seen. Unlike Pop that your amount of imps depends on the number of people that entered the site, whoever holds the push subscriber controls on the number of imps there are. On one day you can double the number of Imps, which won't make much sense if the quality decreases. Anyhow, Megapush is a big company, I'm sure their Dev is working around the clock to fix this.
02-07-2019 01:13 PM
#11
telebind123 (Member)

Originally Posted by
letscpa
Have you tried to ping the support? I'm excited to know their reaction.
Yeah, the support agent actually approved my campaign manually so thats how i knew how long it was running for. I of course informed him of the overspend but the guy basically indicated that this was normal. I didn't really want to complain much as I knew he didn't have any control over the spending. I did ask for a refund but of course I was denied. Eventually he said something in Russian and closed the chat. Can't really blame the guy, I'm sure he gets a lot of anger thrown at him.
02-07-2019 01:43 PM
#12
erikgyepes (Moderator)
I had issue last night, tried to deposit just $100 and it not arrived. But I solved it today.
They are trying, I cannot blame them, they recently removed all the negative balances.
Just too many issues here and there, hope they gonna solve it soon.
02-07-2019 07:39 PM
#13
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Originally Posted by
erikgyepes
I had issue last night, tried to deposit just $100 and it not arrived. But I solved it today.
They are trying, I cannot blame them, they recently removed all the negative balances.
Just too many issues here and there, hope they gonna solve it soon.
I certainly hope they will get their stuff together soon too, they were the first push network I had profit with and I know they have quite large volumes available, so would be nice to see them work properly
02-08-2019 12:28 AM
#14
impian (Member)
It's funny that people are complaining about overspending when I'm on the complete opposite of the spectrum. I have one geo that is doing very well (almost 100% ROI) but it's been a struggle to try to get any volume to it. It spends at most $10/day even after setting a high bid and high budget. Even tried creating duplicate camps.
02-08-2019 10:59 AM
#15
letscpa (Member)

Originally Posted by
impian
It's funny that people are complaining about overspending when I'm on the complete opposite of the spectrum. I have one geo that is doing very well (almost 100% ROI) but it's been a struggle to try to get any volume to it. It spends at most $10/day even after setting a high bid and high budget. Even tried creating duplicate camps.
Are you sure they've got a lot of traffic for that geo? Try to ask them for help. Actually, there is a telegram chat
https://t.me/ask_artishchev launched by megapush founder and he really takes care of his adverts trying to help. The only thing is that you can only be assisted in Russian
02-08-2019 01:26 PM
#16
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Originally Posted by
impian
It's funny that people are complaining about overspending when I'm on the complete opposite of the spectrum. I have one geo that is doing very well (almost 100% ROI) but it's been a struggle to try to get any volume to it. It spends at most $10/day even after setting a high bid and high budget. Even tried creating duplicate camps.
Hehe that's the life of an affiliate, what works for one person, simply doesn't for the other ... isn't it beautiful?
But yeah, I'm with letscpa on this, are you sure they have more volume for your particular targeting?
02-08-2019 11:42 PM
#17
ahmetemre (Member)

Originally Posted by
am2015
Not sure they send out thousands of Push all at once, it's just that with large inventories you can get a surge of traffic all at once because your campaign is new to the Algo, usually the Algo sends traffic in accordance to your CTR% (That's how our Algo works anyhow) so once the campaign has been approved he has zero data to work on, pretty sure once you buy some traffic it evens out. this might be an issue with the Algo or just settings on the campaign itself. We have ASAP and Evenly distribution, it makes people reach their campaign caps really early in the day, we haven't encountred a campaign that swallowed all of the budget all at once though.
Today I had a similar situation with you because of the wrong bid. I set 0.42 but must be 0.042. It was USA campaign

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Spend 400 USD in 10 minutes. I didn't have time to stop. I wrote to the support team. I'm waiting for Monday.
02-09-2019 04:21 AM
#18
sushiparlour (Member)
The annoying thing of megaspend's setup is that you can't set your budget at time of creating your campaign... Need to go back and edit and add it in.
02-10-2019 07:30 AM
#19
AdMaven (Veteran Member)

Originally Posted by
ahmetemre
Today I had a similar situation with you because of the wrong bid. I set 0.42 but must be 0.042. It was USA campaign

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Spend 400 USD in 10 minutes. I didn't have time to stop. I wrote to the support team. I'm waiting for Monday.
Hey, how are you ahmetemre?
We will have a support rep to contact you first thing on Monday to investigate this issue, I will say that from the looks of it you put a bid which is about 3 times higher than our highest bid, so in a competitive RTB environment such as ours when you outbid all competitors with such a high bid! We as a company as a policy of investigating any claim, and if it is due to a bug or mistake which has been caused by us, we take responsibility
Cheers
02-10-2019 04:52 PM
#20
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Originally Posted by
am2015
Hey, how are you ahmetemre?
We will have a support rep to contact you first thing on Monday to investigate this issue, I will say that from the looks of it you put a bid which is about 3 times higher than our highest bid, so in a competitive RTB environment such as ours when you outbid all competitors with such a high bid! We as a company as a policy of investigating any claim, and if it is due to a bug or mistake which has been caused by us, we take responsibility
Cheers
Not sure what network it was, but I've seen one that gives a warning when the submitted bid is WAY higher than the current ones. Would be nice if all networks could code a function like this. I know it goes a bit against the interest of a traffic source, but it's a nice feature.
02-11-2019 07:21 AM
#21
AdMaven (Veteran Member)

Originally Posted by
matuloo
Not sure what network it was, but I've seen one that gives a warning when the submitted bid is WAY higher than the current ones. Would be nice if all networks could code a function like this. I know it goes a bit against the interest of a traffic source, but it's a nice feature.
Not going against our interest whatsoever, we have no interest that an advertiser blows his money in one hour and then never buys again from the frustration or the feeling he got screwed over, it makes no sense for us/ When our moderation team goes through the campaigns we have an alert, But the rates are constantly growing and a bid that might have come out as rather high on a certain week could be average and below on another week. Tier 1 really took a huge leap forward, Since the competition is constantly growing, It's something that really changes on a daily basis, that's why we constantly change our rate card to accommodate our current top rates.
For instance, we have alerts for the advertiser if you take a push campaign live but with no image, since this would simply give you really bed amount of clicks.
But we will look into this since with push the spend is a lot higher and the funds which are being spent are in entirely different proportions.
02-11-2019 09:59 AM
#22
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Originally Posted by
am2015
Not going against our interest whatsoever, we have no interest that an advertiser blows his money in one hour and then never buys again from the frustration or the feeling he got screwed over, it makes no sense for us/
Glad to see your view on this issue is like this
02-11-2019 10:36 AM
#23
AdMaven (Veteran Member)

Originally Posted by
matuloo
Glad to see your view on this issue is like this

It's crazy to think anything other then that
02-11-2019 11:11 AM
#24
ahmetemre (Member)

Originally Posted by
am2015
Hey, how are you ahmetemre?
We will have a support rep to contact you first thing on Monday to investigate this issue, I will say that from the looks of it you put a bid which is about 3 times higher than our highest bid, so in a competitive RTB environment such as ours when you outbid all competitors with such a high bid! We as a company as a policy of investigating any claim, and if it is due to a bug or mistake which has been caused by us, we take responsibility
Cheers
Yes, the main reason for this is wrong amount I entered.
But there's a lot of expense everyone sees. It would be a positive thing for networks to make efforts to fix it.
Keep customers always more profitable.

Originally Posted by
matuloo
Not sure what network it was, but I've seen one that gives a warning when the submitted bid is WAY higher than the current ones. Would be nice if all networks could code a function like this. I know it goes a bit against the interest of a traffic source, but it's a nice feature.
That's a really good feature. I remember seeing it somewhere else too.
02-12-2019 06:59 AM
#25
AdMaven (Veteran Member)

Originally Posted by
ahmetemre
Yes, the main reason for this is wrong amount I entered.
But there's a lot of expense everyone sees. It would be a positive thing for networks to make efforts to fix it.
Keep customers always more profitable.
That's a really good feature. I remember seeing it somewhere else too.
In the end, our main interest is for you to be profitable. We will do our best to add more and more features like to above mentioned to ensure that our advertisers spend in a way that would be cost effective and still able to turn a profit for you.
Of course, if there are any features STMers here think that could be a good fit for us we are always open. There is a limit to what we as a traffic source can think of, in the end, what you guys say and be more comfortable for you is what we want to know.
Don't hesitate to contact us if you feel there are features that you think would make your life easier.
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