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Looking To Invest $15 000 To Learn Facebook Advertising (14)

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About Me:

I'm a long time online entrepreneur in the areas of SEO and review sites.

I've joined this forum to learn the media buying side of the online business.

I've decided to focus on facebook since that seems to be where the big money is


Do I Have Any Experience Advertising On Facebook?

I have no experience with facebook at all.

I have not even used facebook in my personal life since probably 2008 or 2009.

I have not visited the facebook website in probably 10 years.


What Is My Budget?

I have $15 000 that I'm willing to risk to learn facebook advertising.

Meaning this is the amount of money that if I lose all of it in this test I'm ok with that.


Do I Have A Team?

yes i do but they are all trained for our current business of ranking review sites for clickbank offers and they know nothing about media buying.

If a team is needed to succeed in facebook then I will have to probably hire new people


What Do I Want To Promote?

I will be promoting this offer: https://thetaoofbadass.com/special/special-002/

It's a "how to seduce women" offer that pays $130 CPA.

I chose this offer because most of the money we have made online has been by creating and then ranking review sites for different clickbank products.

We are very familiar with clickbank and this particular offer has done well for us with review sites for years now.


What Is My Goal?

I already make pretty good money with SEO but the numbers I keep hearing guys are doing on facebook are mind blowing.

50k per day and even 100k per day profits seem to be possible from what I've read.

My goal to begin is 15K per day profit.

That's the number i have in mind as i start this journey.


My Questions For You:

How would you proceed if you where me?

where should I start?

It seems to me that the #1 problem Facebook advertisers need to solve is finding a consistent source of accounts.

Can I just pay someone for this or i have to find a way to get my own accounts consistently?

Is solving the account problem where i should start?

is that the key to everything?

Thank you for reading and I promise to keep this thread alive until I have either
failed completely and lost all my 15 k budget or reached my goal of 15k per day profit

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Yo Mr. Sherlock !

You'll definitely run into some issues with promoting that offer, I'm not entirely sure it'll pass their policies even if you own it and want to whitelist with them.

Also the mywot ranking on it is flagged so you need a new domain for it or its going to flag automatically.

It's actually a lot more difficult then just paying, even buying accounts you're subject to figuring out the practice of running them yourself and putting too many foot wrong in the beginning your $15k will vanish veryyyy fast :P Especially this time of year FB is just on a rampage on all angles dropping ban hammers on clean longer term ecom stores its quite a war zone and even having a process figured out is only short term.

Sure there are people doing 50-100k day, but its a lot more rare then before, and it really is an quite an extreme approach to get it to that level. (a big operation and it most likely doesn't involve buying accounts from sellers). It's a lot of high quality relationships with networks and offers (nutra/crypto/casino space) coupled with ability of obtaining quality payment methods (think bank accounts here there everywhere).

You could look at stickupkids sweepstake threads and scale that to your goal, but the account game is much more difficult then it seems but have a go by all means because new people pop up in that space still but the grey hairs will come a plenty haha

You have created an offer before, have you created any more successful offers? Why not stick at what you've been already succeeded at and create an offer front end that is allowed on FB and eventually nail them with the content you've done before.

Otherwise more unique ecom products with a brand behind it, I think @wakeboarders follow alongs have really opened the eyes to the true potential of ecom if you can nail a quality product, the ROI is insane on those compared to what the whispers are of (10-30%... on traditional lower quality pick and choose dropshipping stuff).

Approach a network like giddyup/DFO/Direct Offers Club and they have some clean offers to promote in the traditional affiliate marketing approach to help you at least learn the ropes of FB and optimising/running campaigns and I do know a couple of guys doing some very juicy days with their offers right now.

You could try some leadgen stuff, there are lead ads an option which I think is underrated and some people are doing quite well with COD offers on them (adcombo/terraleads) although could have issues still with bans. A4D is another great network for WH leadgen.

But FB is ever evolving too man, advice you give today could be advice out the door tomorrow, key is to be in the space in the trenches have a look over spytools and see what is out there. You can tell what is good by the amount of social proof on it (likes shares etc) and the spread that advertiser/domain has over the tools as well.

The darker arts of FB is also an option but yeah, it can be expensive fast too even with the right advice on infrastructure

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thank you very much for such a detailed response.

My thoughts are below.

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Please don't use tracking redirects with FB. They don't like them.

Very possible. Can't guarantee with just clickbank offers though because never tested 'em.
Not all of 'em but many BH guys does this.




LeadCloak

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Thank you for the advice about tracking redirects; i will keep that in mind.

Are those BH guys doing 100k per day profit or revenue?

And are they doing this consistently or they have 100k days a few times here and there each year?

The best I've done with SEO is 3-4 K per day profit and that was NOT consistently so 100K per day is still unbelievable to me.

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There are lots of people doing high 4 to 5 figure days buying accounts, but still buying doesn't mean they work off the bat, they have their own processes involved too - if you want accounts that come ready to run its usually a premium price and the adspend you'll get from it will be hard to turn a profit. The more requirement of the operation you need from a seller the more you're paying (Ad account cost + %spend fee etc) and then you need to make quite a bit of a return per account to make it worthwhile and if it bans fast its a money pit.

There is a range, but yeah most people I know own their own operations to cut out middle men costs.

Probably talking revenue, but its fact that it happens more often for some and $100k is not the ceiling, I know people who have done much higher but no nothing is consistent day in day out 365 days a year lol, but its not 1 or 3 days a year, it could be a month or 2 up and a few weeks down, angles die out there is always issues like any affiliate campaign. Zuckerberg takes many on a up'n'down rollercoaster haha, there is not a stable ride bro lol.

The biggest days often come from chinese agency (or other agency accounts) in which they will spend upwards of $300k+ to clean ecom products at low % roi and funnel in 20-25% to BH resulting in some big days, like I said, extreme operations with lots of employees.

If not agency accounts its running many many accounts daily.

It probably for the most part does seem to good to be true lol, but I do personally know a quite a few guys who fly close to mid 5 figures daily but they have their operation under control and lock and key, leg up in many cases whether the CC's they can source are better then others or their account quality or they have figured out warm up processes etc or even FB reps. It's not consistent year around also because its exhausting, lots of burn out patches.

One thing I can assure you, if it was easy and stable bro there would be so many doing it haha seen many guys hit struggle this year who've been around for 5+ years. Also there are people doing 6 fig days to WH too. Yes to this day.

With the dark side you could get a few k a day stable, but be prepared for many headaches in the beginning and throughout the journey

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Make sure you get a quality look a like audience from the advertiser/clickbank. This will help you A LOT when starting off, it will help you find the right audience from start so you can focus on ad text/images and call to action stuff in the creatives!

If you need some assistance I might be able to help you out next week, just hit me with a PM.

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AM is not constant. Many times 100k is revenue but offer owners (advertisers) make 100k profits...
It's like (just a example)
Jan/Feb - 40k
Mar/April/May - -8k
June/July/Aug - 30k
Sep/Oct/Nov/Dec - 40k



LeadCloak

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thank you for the continued support.

my thoughts are below:

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thank you for taking the time to help me.

I keep hearing about "look a like audience" in the stuff I've been reading since I decided to try facebook.

what exactly does that mean?

Are you saying I should ask the owner of the clickbank offer I want to test for data on the type of people who convert best?

And then I can put this data in facebook to find people with a similar profile?

If yes then exactly what data points should I request from the offer owner?

are you talking about things like age, income, level of education, etc....

you are saying i should ask the offer owner for this data for people who have bought the product?

also, I will PM you now.

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are you talking about 100K per day or 100k per month?

100k profit per month I know can be done.

100K per day profit is what still seems unbelievable to me.

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https://www.facebook.com/business/a/lookalike-audiences here some stuff to read! :-)

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I can assure you with honest conviction that people have done it lol, its not common by all means and its not stable and the business would be out the door without daily activity and work, but there really are some true scaling whales out there. I believe his example was just showing fluctuations you may see.

I think you should attach a bit less to a certain figure though and come from the perspective of how big Facebook is and the power behind it. Its one of the biggest traffic sources in the world with unbelievable targeting options and yes it does have it woes with policies but its one of the highest potential sources. What you make of it is up to you

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It has been done! BUT no business can guarantee stable profits. Maynzie just took words out of my mouth and that was just a example.




LeadCloak

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