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Newbie Adult Dating Campaign On TrafficJunky (30)

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Why start with such a competitive traffic source, geo and spot?

Either way, be sure to target the right regions of Canada depending on your offer.

1. 10,2,3 is what I usually do
2. It really depends, usually I let them run for quite a while if the stats are close (which they usually are). You should be able to cut clear losers early on though.
3.I wouldn't use it myself for quality issues.

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Thanks for the answers.
I preferred Canada because competition is lower compared to US and UK.

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Are you language targeting (Not sure if that is possible on TJ)?

20+% of Canadians has French as their mother language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Canada

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TJ is introducing some language targeting now, but it's limited and only on desktop.

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Yes but TJ manager told me that it's not good to target language now.

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They don't treat the campaigns as you treat them, they always think that you want more volume only.
so they told you this because Language targeting will lead to less volume.
but if you see that you need it to get more Conversions or CR go and do it , with increasing your bid a bit
good luck

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Yup. Just create 2 campaigns.
Btw you should not spend 1500$ on "testing" a campaign.



LeadCloak

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What would be considered a good amount for testing before making decision?

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Depends on what kind of decision.

But generally speaking... if after $100 spent you are at -80% there is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go on with the campaign as it's obviously a fail and you need to change something. Even $100 is to much when the results are so poor. I don't mean to say that you should ditch an offer or LP after $20 without a lead, but if you spend let's say 5x the offer payout and don't get a lead, the funnel simply isnt good and you need to get back to the drawing board.

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Thanks for the answer matuloo.
So, spend 5x offer payout and if no conversion, stop it. Right?

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Yup, once you have more experience you will be able to tell even sooner, 3x payout will be enough then to say whether the offer/funnel has a chance or not.

Just to make sure it's 100% clear ... I'm not saying to ditch an offer completely, after such low spend, but if you don't start getting conversions very early there is SOMETHING wrong in the funnel ... could be the banners, LPs, tech setup or the offer.

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Yes, today I am receiving cheaper kicks compared to the above. I will update it tomorrow..

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This is the offer that converted good when I first started a month ago with Tj.. Same GEO..
This offer has like 20 variations of landing pages..
Initially, I split tested this offer with another offer and finalised this one after the data.. So, right now I am split testing it's variations.. May he that's the reason..

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Please remember that you had -80% ROI with that offer ... that's not "converting good" ... I know the problem could have been in your banners or LPs too, but -80 is really not good.

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If your daily budget is only $25 you shouldn't run in a Tier 1 geo.

Clicks are way too expensive to get any significant data on such a budget.

Also like Matuloo said, running at -80% there's no way you can turn that campaign around.

I would recommend starting in a Tier 3 geo, yeah it's not as fun, but you won't lose your shirt and you'll learn a lot which is what you want in the beginning.

Tier 1 geos are tough for even experienced affiliates who have proven funnels, better payout, higher budgets etc. to profit in.

Right now I'm profitable in a couple of Tier 1 geos, but it's because a lot of planets are aligning (ie good offer, lower traffic costs etc) but I don't know how long it will last.

For me personally I notice that for me to profit in Tier 1 geos a lot of it is really more about external factors which you may not have control over (ie offer and traffic costs).

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Okay..thanks for that..I am gonna add more offers, test more banners and landers.

My daily budget is $50 and this is only for testing purpose. I can increase it if needed. It's good to start in Tier 3 GEO but worried about setting up translation, slang and it's extra work etc, I know that's weird to hear.

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You don't have enough data yet to make any meaningful decisions.

In your last pic on Day 3 it shows only 231 clicks. If that's all the data you're getting you're going to have to just let things run a few days.

This is especially true since you are testing multiple landers as well.

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Okay, how many more days do you recommend before making any decision?
I will be following that.

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Everyone has a different recommendation for how long, it really depends on your budget.

I just think based on your campaign daily spend as well as the amount of variables that you are testing it's just going to be difficult to get significant data.

Testing 2 landers x 3 offers is fine if you're going to spend $150-300/day, but it's not going to work if you're spending only $25-50/day.

If you do the math you'll see that it's going to take you a long time to get any data.

Here's an example:

Lets assume that these offers have a CVR of 10%. Lets also assume you have an LP CTR of 40%. So roughly for every 100 clicks you'll get 4 conversions (100 banner visits X 0.40 LP CTR X 0.10 Offer CVR)

Right now you have 6 combinations of LP + Offer (2 landers x 3 offers). So lets say at minimum you run it until each combination has at least 10 conversions each (60 leads total).

If you're getting 4 leads for every 100 clicks, that means you would need at least 1500 clicks to your funnel on average to finish this "test" if you want at least 10 conversions per combination.

If you're averaging like you did on your Day 3 graph at 231 clicks, well 1500 clicks / 231 = 6.49 days.

Keep in mind this assumes that you're satisfied with making decisions based on 10 leads / combination. I think 10 leads/combination is also not enough to make any decisions, the sample size is too small.

Also what if your funnel sucks and the offers you are running sucks (less than est. 10% CVR), now your test has to run even longer for you to hit your min 10 leads/combo.

Your options at this point is either up your budget so you can get data quicker, test less variables (maybe 1 lander x 3 offers etc), or move down to a Tier 2/3 geo where clicks are cheaper and you get much more data faster.

Good luck.

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Bro.. Thanks for spending your time to write this.. I am very thankful to you.. I am gonna follow your suggestion.. Will run it for 7 days and make decision..

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Quick Update:
I just checked my Affiliate network account stats and noticed that I have around 561 conversions so far but I got paid for only 197 conversions.. I asked my AM about this and she told me that only 197 conversions are valid and remain are not detected as valid.. That's a huge loss.. They have told me that it's their system that marks a SignUp as valid after certain action is triggered..
I am thinking to switch to another network..
As you guys already know, can you suggest me some networks that I can go with?
Networks that have lot of exclusive adult dating offers and must be converting very high..
Looking for your help..

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My recommendation wasn't to run it for 7 days lol. I said either up the daily budget, cut the variables being tested, or switch to a lower tier geo. Running 7-days in a tier 1 geo you're just wasting time since there is so much volume available to you. Also because there is a good chance you're not going to find a winning combination, waiting 7-days is silly because you could've found these answers in 1-2 days of testing.

You need to gather data fast in this game. If you're only willing to spend $25-50 on testing, you shouldn't be running Tier 1. That budget is barely enough to be running Tier 3 if you ask me.

Good luck.

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Pretty much every network has dating offers ... but here are 3 solid ones to go to ... advidi, gotzha, clickdealer

BTW: I was at AWA for the past 10 days almost, so didn't have time to check the forums, that's why I didnt reply in this thread.

Please post an update about your progress so we can move on together.

Cheers,
Matej.

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Hey Matej
Thansk for your suggestions.. I completely stopped sending traffic to that network.. I have an account in advidi but there doesn't seem to be good offers.. So, I did some quick research and spied on competitors. I noted down the offers they are promoting and networks they are using. All of them have same network in common. Topoffers, I submitted my application to them and unfortunately my application was sent to Profitsocial where only I can check my reports. For each and everything, I have to contact my AM. Not even able to see what offers they have, etc.. All I can see in only a smart link created by my AM. I tried contacting Topoffers support people but they have told me that we both represent same parent company. Sometimes applications gets transferred to Profitsocial depending upon type of traffic. So I started using their smartlink and now I am seeing some more conversions. And also, as I am buying traffic on a NTV A spot, I also learned my mistake. NTV A is filled with lot of top bidders and direct advertisers. NTV B is where all dating offers are being shown and traffic is cheaper than NTV A. I also switched to B. I am receiving some more traffic compared to A. So these are the updates so far. I will post update soon..
Can anyone get me into Topoffers?

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I learned my biggest mistake that every newbie repeats. Starting in Tier 1 GEO.
Not able to learn anything in Tier 1 initially..
I am gonna go to Tier 2 country, learn all skills and then get back to Tier 1..
Looking for recommendations of some Geos where I can learn all the skills required. Traffic source is TJ.
Please suggest me some good GEOs..

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Topoffers is a solid network from what I can tell, they are also here on STM, so just send them a PM and you might get help from them.

Just a heads up, topoffers is pretty much a direct advertiser, or let's call it an in-house affiliate networks and these are usually not THAT newbie friendly ... you will get your shot with their offers, but in case the quality isn't there, you'll get kicked pretty quickly. When starting out, it's better to stick with standard affiliate networks for a while ... they work with many advertisers, so when one doesn't like your quality, there are still many others to try.

Cheers,
Matej.

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Okay..I will keep that in mind. I submitted application to Gotzha and Clickdealer already. Waiting for them to contact me.

Follow Along Update:
I am in -80% ROI constantly. Looks like I am not gonna make it further. I am switching to Tier 2.
Can anyone suggest me good Tier 2 GEOs?

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Advidi and Clickdealer (and others) already carry Top Offers dating offers, and often already at an equal/higher payout so I wouldn't get to hung up on not signing with them directly.

As far as Tier 2 geos, there is no "best" really, it depends on what offers you have access to and current traffic competition levels.

So maybe get some recommendations from your AM and do some research on traffic pricing etc.

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For as far as I know Gotzha does not have any dating offers.

Advidi and Clickdealer are the ones you want to work with.

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They do, they also own unitedgap which is their dating network, ask about it.

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