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A journey In Obscure Countries That Won’t Make Me xxx/day (12)

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Hello STM Forum!


I am Mike, a young guy (26 years old) from The Netherlands and am excited to share my journey with you all.


Right now I’m working as a guitar instructor in my own local small business and I like what I do. Helping people learn something is wonderful but most of you on this forum know this by doing this effectively with helping other affiliates . But I also know that I don’t want to do this my whole life and want to move to a situation where I can make money from home and get some of my freedom back.


I joined this forum two weeks or so ago (after reading about AM a couple of months) and can honestly say that it is a little bit overwhelming. Not only is everyone kind to each other, but there’s also so much wisdom in this forum that it is hard to take it all in.


Everything I opened up the past days turned out to be another golden nugget for the newbie affiliate and that is how I came by this thread by matuloo https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...-can-too/page1


I see newbies like me on this forum who want to make xxx or xxxx per day immediately. This is not the road I want to take. I think I have a much better chance of succeeding when I go after a couple of campaigns that can do xx/day and then build my way into xxx/days and maybe even more. Say I make $30 a day, that means $900 in a month and for me, that is very good money .


After I got excited about the road I want to take, I got confused like so many others that want to start their affiliate marketing career.


The things I did already:


I have set up my tracker, got approved by several affiliate networks (Mobidea, Peerfly, Monetizer, Addiliate, Yepads) and can work with several traffic sources.


I also made a list of countries that have a population of 1.5 million people or more so that I know which countries I can go after.


Here’s the part where I get confused:


I first thought that I would spy on the low volume countries with adplexity but I found out that lots of lower volume countries are not in the spy tool. Do I just need to spy manually with a VPN in that country and see which offers and landers I find and then try to run that?


Or do I ask my affiliate manager on some networks for some well converting, low payout offers in a country (or more countries) that have done maybe $100 revenue in the past 7 days so that I know what works and then start ripping landers in that same country or in countries that speak the same language and run those offers?


I hope somebody can help me in telling which of the above scenarios is better to follow.


As for now I am reading a lot about landing pages and try to get everything to work (Amazon S3, CloudFront and all that stuff from the 40-day tutorial). Thanks in advance for the help and I’m excited about the journey!

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Hi Mike, welcome to STM.

Use the situation with Adplexity for your advantage.
Just because something is not shown on Adplexity if doesn't mean that you can't make money there.
I know it from own experience, I did good research and started a test campaign for a combination that showed zero results on Adplexity but my campaigns were profitable from the start.
Probably because almost no people ran stuff there = no competition.
Nowadays people like to rely on easy solutions but when you digg deeper you can absolutely find unsaturated pockets of money.
The problem is with so small Geos like 1.5 Million you need high payouts to make it worth it.
Otherwise you won't have high enough volume to earn good money with low payout offers and you also won't be able to scale.
The opposite happens, when you start to optimize you will cut a good part of the anyway low traffic volume.
About Peerfly and Addiliate, from my own experience I would delete them from the list.

Also did you decide on a tracker yet?
If not take care that you choose a self hosted tracker and no event billed tracker.
I recommend Binom because I use myself and its an easy to use yet very professional tracker and the support is also outstanding.

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Welcome to STM forum, Mike!

If adplexity is not showing any results then you'll face less competition and will be able to become profitable early.
Yes you try VPN to spy manually on other affiliates and it'll never fail to show you the result

Good Luck for your journey...



LeadCloak

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Welcome to STM Mike!

I think you have a good mindset.

It's correct once you hit those $xx/day then going further will be just a matter of getting more traffic and scaling into more traffic sources.

Yes, VPN could help, though it could be blocked by many traffic sources / networks, but you can still find many affiliates.

Only problem with small geos is that it will take very long time to get somewhere as the volumes will be very low. Better would be to go for some big tier-3 countries (= cheaper traffic, bigger volume).

Asking your AM is always a good idea, always confirm if there is money to be made, especially in early stages when you don't have enough experience.

All the best!

Erik

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Thanks for the information @twinaxe! I highly appreciate it. As for the small geos.. You’re probably right. That why I als have some geos with about 6 yo 7 million people and everything in between that aren’t in adplexity. So there is more volume and maybe a better chance of getting low payout offers profitable and earn some money that is worth my while. The problem for me with high payout offers is the fact that I can’t test them well due to the fact that I need a higher budget for that.

Maybe a newbie question.. But you said “I did good research” when you talked about a test campaign you did. Are there any specific things I can do besides spying with a vpn for offers and landers?

As for your question about the tracker.. I thought about using Bemob they offer 100.000 events monthly and 1.000.000 promo events that I can use as well. I thought that would be enough for a month or 2 because of the fact that I am going to do low volume countries.

but thanks for the tip about Binom. I will look into that!

Originally Posted by leadcloak

Welcome to STM forum, Mike!

Thanks for the warm welcome @leadcloak ! As for now I think the only possible option for me is to spy using zeropark. I can make a target ppv campaign in the desired country and then spy on the websites that zeropark shows as targets. But I can imagine that I would miss out on stuff because of the fact that I only spy on one traffic source. Is this thought correct and/or are there any other possibilities of spying on maybe propellerads or something like that?

Originally Posted by erikgyepes

Welcome to STM Mike!

Hi Erik and thanks for the welcome!

That is what I was worried about (blocked by many traffic sources and networks) as you can see from my reply to Leadcloak.

Thanks for the advice on the low volume countries. I keep that in mind and maybe use some countries with 5, 6, or 7 million people instead of 1.5 million.



thank you all for the kind replies to my thread! At the moment I’m trying to figure some things out about setting up hosting, cdn and dns through the 40-day tutorial. I have some difficulties getting my account ready on amazon web services but I have asked them about it and hopefully I can set everything up tomorrow. Then I will ask my AM on some networks for some offers and begin spying in the countries that show some good signs.

Again thank you and I’ll keep you all updated!

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Let me chime in too, since my thread got you motivated

First of all, I also believe the XX-first approach is good, actually wrote a thread about it too, have you seen it?
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...table-XX-first!

Now to the "obscure geos" strategy ... it still works for sure, just don't expect such mega ROIs, I wrote it while the carrier billing offers were still rocking. These days it will be lower, or maybe not, depends on what kinda offer you run and where.

When targeting GEOs that are not in adplexity, you will have to rely on your AM partially, just ask for offers in the GEO you chose and see what they have to offer. Doesn't have to be run on a large scale either, just make sure those offers are live, so dont pick them blindly.

Once you figure out the setup, come back for advice

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Any updates drdollar? GREAT discuss here!

How is lander preparation coming along? Did you manage to get the whole S3+DNS+CDN thing set up?

The issue with targeting small geos is you may not find many offers available. Especially when you're trying to find offers that are similar-enough for you to use the same landers for them.

Therefore, you may need to prepare a different set of landers for every 1-2 offers (for example). And when you're spying manually, you may not be able to find multiple landers in the proper language in the chosen vertical.

A potentially good thing to do, would be to take your list of small geos, identify the ones that speak the same languages as bigger geos for which landers CAN be ripped on Adplexity. But don't rip landers yet...

Browse offers on the networks you're approved for, and compile a list of low-payout offers in each of the geos identified. Speak with your AMs to filter out offers that are either old/inactive, or had bad performance when run previously by other affiliates.

Then look at what kinds of offers remain on your list, go to Adplexity and rip landers for them (in the corresponding languages).

Best of luck! Looking forward to your next update!



Amy

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Hi Matuloo, Thanks for the feedback on my journey! I have seen the post you’re linking to for sure and read it multiple times already to let the idea of managing x to xx day first really sink in.

The advice on how to pick the offers is awesome . I know that I have to rely on my AM also because of the fact that I lack experience and they can help me well I hope.

I have figured out the setup. Not as fast as I wanted but I’m happy I figured it out. So now I’m going to find out which countries speak which language and identify the ones that speak the same languages as bigger geos for which landers CAN be ripped on Adplexity as Vortex said.

Originally Posted by vortex

Any updates

Hi Amy,

Thanks for replying to my follow-along!
Yesterday I finally got a message from Amazon web services and today I have set up the S3+DNS+CDN and it all seems to work properly .

I think you’re right when you say that there may not be many offers available. Making a different set of landers for every 1 - 2 offers is something I don’t mind and I can see it as really learning the ropes of basic affiliate marketing.

Thanks for the advice in the “A potentially good thing to do” part of your reply. As I said to matuloo, I’m going to finish my list of geos with the corresponding language and then indeed as you said identify which ones speak the same language.

When I have done that I will start browsing offers, make a list and hit up my AM for more information about the offers.

With my next update, I hope I can tell you guys that I have done al the things above, ripped landers and am ready to set up some campaigns .

Thank you all for your time and advice .

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Great that you are moving forward ... waiting for some initial results once you launch.

Cheers,
Matej

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Good luck! Waiting for your next update and results.




LeadCloak

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Here’s an update... It seems to go a little slower than I want it to go but work is crazy at the moment so I haven’t had much time... But I have done some reading at the forum and found out that mobile content and 1/2-click offers (which I find most) are hard to make profitable nowadays (even with landers) so I am going for the sweepstakes vertical because that is what often gets recommended to start with. I’m still looking to run it in smaller geos so I’m searching with offervault for such offers and affiliate networks that have them. When I find them I’ll start ripping and preparing landers and then set up a campaign.


Sorry that it is taking longer... I know you’re all desperately waiting till I get some campaigns going.

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Hi Mike! Were you able to make progress? Don't hesitate to ask for help if you need to!



Amy

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