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09-30-2018 09:48 AM #1 cassshy (Senior Member)
Facebook Ads in Oct 2018 - Is It Possible To Run Big Volumes?

You’re reading the blog of cassshy - fb/adwords mediabuyer. I know how to deal with bans, running/scaling fb/adwords traffic. Ping me in telegram: @cassshy if needed some help.

Everybody has read about Charles Ngo and his way to super affiliate life, right? He told us a lot about the times back to 2009 when you could run dating offers, nutra, casino without any bans. And using a proper angles you could become a millionaire in few months.

But the time passed and Fb become smarter and know you need to be a real pro to spend at least $5k per account with profit. It seems Fb just bans all ads without any logic - it doesn’t even matter you’re running BH or WH.

In this article I just want to show you my result for running gambling offers. Maybe, it will motivate you to work harder and do as many tests as possible. Plus, in my other articles you can find some useful tips how to reach same and better results.

So, these are the results for running casino offers for different Tier 1 countries:

And 126k - not the biggest onиб but still, I think that's not bad.

As you can see, it’s still possible to use Fb to get some profitable traffic. You just need to do it in the right way. Fb changes almost every week so you need to be flexible and response for all those changes. Remember, Fb is stupid - you can outwit it easily.

P.S. my ROI is from 150% - 300%

Hope, you enjoyed the materials - subscribe for more articles. If you need some help - ping me in Telegram - @cassshy

09-30-2018 01:29 PM #2 stickupkid (Senior Moderator)

You mind to share some insights about which geo's did you run? CPL or CPA? Did you use LLA's or just shoot on the masses? Offer via a network or direct?

09-30-2018 01:37 PM #3 cassshy (Senior Member)

Sure, there are both FTD offers (higher results screens) and cpl for CA (I got $22 cpl). It was offer from network, but cpl is not available for wide audience, need to be pre-approved.
I used custom made LPs but based on spy tools opened sources creatives, nothing special. It was all about getting the right audience and optimisation - playing with cpc. I also used lookalike

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09-30-2018 02:55 PM #4 carramba (Member)

how to get gambling ads approved on facebook? I thought this is restricted content and you need facebook permission to run that

09-30-2018 03:04 PM #5 cassshy (Senior Member)

There’s 0,001% chance to get real person moderation. So you just need to cloak offer link and use white safepages. Pm me if need some help

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09-30-2018 03:45 PM #6 thestig ()

Thanks for the valuable information!
Are you triggering the pixel on LP link click and optimising by that?

09-30-2018 03:55 PM #7 cassshy (Senior Member)

No, I put it in tracker Binom

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09-30-2018 04:06 PM #8 optifyme (Member)

Thanks for the share, Keep Crushing it!

09-30-2018 04:17 PM #9 thestig ()

Originally Posted by cassshy

No, I put it in tracker Binom

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Can you please elaborate more on that?

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09-30-2018 08:16 PM #10 leadcloak (Member)

Originally Posted by cassshy

There’s 0,001% chance to get real person moderation. So you just need to cloak offer link and use white safepages. Pm me if need some help

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I agree that few campaigns go through the manual review by fb team.
So the cloaker and some great "cloaking settings" can make a big impact on FB campaign approval.

LeadCloak

09-30-2018 08:24 PM #11 cassshy (Senior Member)

All cloakers are almost the same - trafficarmour, jci, noipfraud

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10-01-2018 12:22 AM #12 maynzie (Moderator)

Welcome bud, nice post!

FB is still a giant for those to slay, there are heaps of people making it work still I hope to think the forum is aware of this haha,

With a poor setup you will meet a total brick wall and nothing will go up but using quality accounts and appropriate warm ups it works, but like you said you need to be able to hit large roi's to offset the other costs involved which add up considerably in some setups. But thanks for keeping to PM's as the nitty gritty behind it all is best kept off open thread you never know whose lurking and there is so many heavily invested teams on the FB wave haha.

Nice job on the $126k spend though,

There’s 0,001% chance to get real person moderation. So you just need to cloak offer link and use white safepages. Pm me if need some help

Exactly, in the beginning yes, but as the billing cycles rise you're one step closer to the old flag bearing real moderation haha. However some really well constructed angles and SP's will continue on.

I think the whole thing here is, it used to be easy you could get accounts and run them with no worries - you had low risk of set up costs and therefore not a bad option for generating cashflow in the beginning. Now the initial setups is expensive or those in favourable geos (obtaining accounts and funding methods etc) for setting up their own operation, and ROI has been decreasing for a lot of people in groups, maybe end of Q played a result in that recently (Also Q4 most expensive with Christmas and EOY budgets) but if you feel like this is where you want to play beware it becomes expensive fast when it works against you haha - but there remains high rewards too. FB Ai is slowly closing the gaps haha...

I used custom made LPs but based on spy tools opened sources creatives, nothing special. It was all about getting the right audience and optimisation - playing with cpc

Interesting point here, do you always play with manual bids?

10-01-2018 05:21 AM #13 cassshy (Senior Member)

Fb AI - that’s the most lame thing I have seen.

Ban is not a Game Over, These accounts were unbanned for 6-10 times

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10-01-2018 06:04 AM #14 iAmAttila (Veteran Member)

Where can I buy your course?

10-01-2018 06:39 AM #15 cassshy (Senior Member)

I am not selling course, but you can pm me in telegram if you need some tips

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10-01-2018 07:08 AM #16 maynzie (Moderator)

Fb AI - that’s the most lame thing I have seen.

Ban is not a Game Over, These accounts were unbanned for 6-10 times

Hmm.. I only meant they're definitely more self aware of affiliate style campaigns then ever before, bot reviews are picking up stuff - poor ad experience etc, and catching onto familiar angles seems to be a lot of peoples problems in the circles right now - nutra more-so, casino is more relaxed. But its not impossible to run of course

Are you working with viral fresh content or more reaction?

Was just making sure newcomers looking for a quick buck here might not realise its not as simple as buy account and run it - you can get rekt fast if you don't know the practices - unless maybe you're ahead of the packs bro and doing something special

Props on your setup though man, keep crushing - will PM ya

10-01-2018 03:55 PM #17 cassshy (Senior Member)

Nothing special, using all those feature we all have in front of your nose

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10-01-2018 10:43 PM #18 xxf8xx (Member)

This thread smells fishy to me. You just posted a bunch of amazing stats and told people to PM you in private. What's the end game here? Do you offer coaching or something like that?

10-01-2018 11:09 PM #19 symba3 (AMC Alumnus)

Originally Posted by iAmAttila

Where can I buy your course?

Looking forward to seeing a full review along with the affiliate link to the course on your blog.

10-01-2018 11:45 PM #20 mobique (Member)

Do you still need multiple accounts on FB with different payment details, addresses, PVA verified, etc? Or is that a thing of the past?

10-02-2018 02:44 AM #21 leadcloak (Member)

Originally Posted by mobique

Do you still need multiple accounts on FB with different payment details, addresses, PVA verified, etc? Or is that a thing of the past?

Yes! FB is banning too much accounts with or without any reason. So no it's not a thing of past.

LeadCloak

10-02-2018 07:56 AM #22 cassshy (Senior Member)

Originally Posted by symba3

Looking forward to seeing a full review along with the affiliate link to the course on your blog.

To tell the truth, I don’t have a blog. For the moment, I don’t have an intention and time to build a personal brand. And I don’t have any course. I used to get some $$$ for mentoring, but it’s not like fb{monarchs} are doing. Maybe later I will offer smth. But now I am focused on mediabuying only.

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10-02-2018 07:57 AM #23 cassshy (Senior Member)

Originally Posted by mobique

Do you still need multiple accounts on FB with different payment details, addresses, PVA verified, etc? Or is that a thing of the past?

Sure

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10-02-2018 08:00 AM #24 starbuxer (Member)

Thanks for sharing! What URL is cassshy blog?

10-02-2018 09:58 AM #25 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Originally Posted by starbuxer

Thanks for sharing! What URL is cassshy blog?

Check a couple posts about yours ...

To tell the truth, I don’t have a blog. For the moment, I don’t have an intention and time to build a personal brand...

10-02-2018 07:17 PM #26 mindon7figures (Member)

what's your telegram bro

10-03-2018 07:29 AM #27 ewayglobal (Member)

Can you share your telegram?
our team is in trouble working with fb now.
FB is banning too much accounts with or without any reason, even some campaigns are white hat

10-03-2018 07:35 AM #28 maynzie (Moderator)

Ping me in telegram: @cassshy if needed some help.

He mentioned in he's first post

I had a good chat with Ol' Cassshy he's a really nice guy, can vouch he has some good knowledge and he isn't taking the path of hijacking members for guru profits

10-03-2018 10:04 AM #29 cassshy (Senior Member)

this will be my blog lol

10-04-2018 11:02 PM #30 mobique (Member)

How does FB detect affiliates to shut them down?

Poorly farmed accounts (bad ip's, disposable email providers, not enough real looking information e.g. friends, likes, or too many friends added too fast from fake accounts)
Payment information (using banned BIN's or the same payment information across banned accounts)
IP and browser (using proxies, banned or suspicious browser profiles e.g WEBRTC turned off, incognito, etc, vpn's, or other known ip solutions that every other affiliate uses - basically you look suspicious)
Poor Cloaking (your cloaker sucks). It is recommended to use your own cloaker versus the pre-made solutions. The pre-made solutions for affiliates have nice interfaces, but they suck, the backend is super basic, and they're too cheap usually to pay for expensive database licenses for reselling to block data center and other types of IP's. The whole "we collected years worth of data" is total bullshit!

How to start on FB

Get farmed accounts
Get a residential proxy
Get a payment solution without banned BIN's
Get a cloaking setup
Prime accounts by spending small amounts

If anyone wants to add to this, what are some good tools or methods for managing multiple accounts when not linking them all together, what are good and most importantly legitimate providers for payments, those are really beneficial for running a large account setup. The greatest difficulty I see is managing 50-100 accounts. You need tools to control these accounts without linking them all together and getting them shut down. Whether you roll your own or use a pre-made solution, do share feedback!

10-05-2018 04:01 AM #31 cassshy (Senior Member)

Originally Posted by mobique

How does FB detect affiliates to shut them down?

Poorly farmed accounts (bad ip's, disposable email providers, not enough real looking information e.g. friends, likes, or too many friends added too fast from fake accounts)
Payment information (using banned BIN's or the same payment information across banned accounts)
IP and browser (using proxies, browser profiles, vpn's, or known ip solutions that every other affiliate uses - basically you look suspicious)
Poor Cloaking (your cloaker sucks). It is recommended to use your own cloaker versus the pre-made solutions. The pre-made solutions for affiliates have nice interfaces, but they suck, the backend is super basic, and they're too cheap usually to pay for expensive database licenses for reselling to block data center and other types of IP's. The whole "we collected years worth of data" is total bullshit!

How to start on FB

Get farmed accounts
Get a residential proxy
Get a payment solution without banned BIN's
Get a cloaking setup
Prime accounts by spending small amounts

If anyone wants to add to this, what are some good tools or methods for managing multiple accounts when not linking them all together, what are good and most importantly legitimate providers for payments, those are really beneficial for running a large account setup. The greatest difficulty I see is managing 50-100 accounts. You need tools to control these accounts without linking them all together and getting them shut down. Wether you roll your own or use a pre-made solution, do share feedback!

it’s not a difficulty at all, i am using MLA

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10-05-2018 04:40 AM #32 leadcloak (Member)

Originally Posted by mobique

How does FB detect affiliates to shut them down?

Poorly farmed accounts (bad ip's, disposable email providers, not enough real looking information e.g. friends, likes, or too many friends added too fast from fake accounts)
Payment information (using banned BIN's or the same payment information across banned accounts)
IP and browser (using proxies, browser profiles, vpn's, or known ip solutions that every other affiliate uses - basically you look suspicious)
Poor Cloaking (your cloaker sucks). It is recommended to use your own cloaker versus the pre-made solutions. The pre-made solutions for affiliates have nice interfaces, but they suck, the backend is super basic, and they're too cheap usually to pay for expensive database licenses for reselling to block data center and other types of IP's. The whole "we collected years worth of data" is total bullshit!

How to start on FB

Get farmed accounts
Get a residential proxy
Get a payment solution without banned BIN's
Get a cloaking setup
Prime accounts by spending small amounts

If anyone wants to add to this, what are some good tools or methods for managing multiple accounts when not linking them all together, what are good and most importantly legitimate providers for payments, those are really beneficial for running a large account setup. The greatest difficulty I see is managing 50-100 accounts. You need tools to control these accounts without linking them all together and getting them shut down. Wether you roll your own or use a pre-made solution, do share feedback!

Nice post mobique! A prime quality cloaker is a must to run BH offers on FB nowadays.

LeadCloak

10-05-2018 08:23 AM #33 stickupkid (Senior Moderator)

Originally Posted by mobique

If anyone wants to add to this, what are some good tools or methods for managing multiple accounts when not linking them all together, what are good and most importantly legitimate providers for payments, those are really beneficial for running a large account setup. The greatest difficulty I see is managing 50-100 accounts. You need tools to control these accounts without linking them all together and getting them shut down. Wether you roll your own or use a pre-made solution, do share feedback!

We have build something for this, but it's not cheap and we have limit spots for those who have to manage loads of accounts.

10-05-2018 02:08 PM #34 adig13 (AMC Alumnus)

Hi Cassshy, thanks for sharing! Do you think it's possible to run Casino offers in European Geos on FB without Cloaking? Or is Cloaking really necessary?
I'm currently doing a lot of casino in native but would like to see if I can get some FB traffic to the ones which are working well.

Also, for a FB Newbie, do you think this is worth trying?

10-05-2018 02:09 PM #35 stickupkid (Senior Moderator)

Originally Posted by adig13

It's possible, if your ads and prelanders are not agressive. But I think 99% of people doing casino on FB are cloaking yes!

10-05-2018 02:11 PM #36 adig13 (AMC Alumnus)

Originally Posted by stickupkid

It's possible, if your ads and prelanders are not agressive. But I think 99% of people doing casino on FB are cloaking yes!

Thanks for the super-quick response! How do I check if it's too aggressive or not? Should I submit my ads and prelanders as it is and let FB decide or there are things which I can look for myself?

10-05-2018 02:37 PM #37 manu_adefy (Veteran Member)

Originally Posted by adig13

Thanks for the super-quick response! How do I check if it's too aggressive or not? Should I submit my ads and prelanders as it is and let FB decide or there are things which I can look for myself?

Casino/gambling is only allowed on Facebook if you are pre-approved. So you cannot run it white-hat without pre-approval.

10-05-2018 05:34 PM #38 stickupkid (Senior Moderator)

Originally Posted by adig13

Thanks for the super-quick response! How do I check if it's too aggressive or not? Should I submit my ads and prelanders as it is and let FB decide or there are things which I can look for myself?

Since your are an affiliate, I doubt your ads/landers will be approved. I think FB only works directly with some casino's to put them on the whitelist. Better get a good cloaker and test! Agressive -> misleading, fake news, clickbait-ish, blog/article style kinda landers saying some McDonalds employee won jackpot during his break etc etc.

I have seen a blog of some guy being a digital nomad. Tons of content only about traveling and following his trip around the world. But here and there he mentions earning money through binary stuff. These kind of "projects" are really convincing and what I call not-agressive.

10-05-2018 07:21 PM #39 twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

McDonalds employee won jackpot during his break

Wait, give me a break...
You say he didn't won?
Just saw such lander recently and was so happy for him.

10-05-2018 07:25 PM #40 stickupkid (Senior Moderator)

Originally Posted by twinaxe

Wait, give me a break...
You say he didn't won?
Just saw such lander recently and was so happy for him.

100 free spins buddy, its all it takes to become a millionaire.

10-05-2018 09:36 PM #41 manu_adefy (Veteran Member)

Originally Posted by stickupkid

100 free spins buddy, its all it takes to become a millionaire.

60% of the time, you win everytime!

10-06-2018 02:29 AM #42 leadcloak (Member)

Originally Posted by adig13

Most of the casino affiliates use cloaker to run offers on FaceBook because FB only pre-approves casinos directly, So most of the time you cannot run casino offers white-hat.

LeadCloak

10-24-2018 01:26 PM #43 cassshy (Senior Member)

Guys, if you're interested in buying some fresh Custom audience or LLA for Casino - here's the link
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...911#post356911

10-26-2018 12:05 PM #44 newslanoco1986newslanoco1986 (Member)

What offer did you use for gambling?

10-28-2018 07:52 AM #45 cassshy (Senior Member)

Originally Posted by newslanoco1986newslanoco1986

What offer did you use for gambling?

Sorry mate, I would prefer not to share. Plus it’s a bit exclusive one

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10-29-2018 04:51 PM #46 obsidianads (Member)

After a sticky august (I think the majority of us found this) trying to run casino volume on fb, September improved. In October we've had real success again, at long last, mainly running CA and DE.

This was last weeks stats for the CA offer we're running:

https://ibb.co/hX6iAq

We've been running this offer for 3 weeks and our EPC's for the past week were at $8.01, up from $7.10 for the previous 2 weeks. Heard a lot of people saying fb casino was dead, but hopefully this shows you that its still alive and well!!

10-29-2018 07:12 PM #47 stickupkid (Senior Moderator)

Originally Posted by obsidianads

Impressive numbers!

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10-30-2018 04:36 AM #48 maynzie (Moderator)

Very nice! May I ask have you noticed a trend of declining roi in the last 3-4 days? Seems across the board... FB is testing new stuff it seems

10-30-2018 04:57 AM #49 leadcloak (Member)

Originally Posted by obsidianads

Nice conversation rate man. Yes, it shows...

10-31-2018 11:02 AM #50 udroppy (Member)

Running volume on FB is totally possible, just have to adapt and reverse engineering what a "perfect user experience" should be. I guess the old good times described by Charles Ngo make some people cry a bit, tho.

11-06-2018 11:39 AM #51 obsidianads (Member)

Originally Posted by maynzie

Very nice! May I ask have you noticed a trend of declining roi in the last 3-4 days? Seems across the board... FB is testing new stuff it seems

I hadn't noticed anything particularly untoward, though I had heard from friends who are running casino traffic on fb that there was another sweep which took down quite a few accounts last week. Apologies for the late response!

11-07-2018 01:52 AM #52 maynzie (Moderator)

No worries mate haha, seems like it was most probably related to the election with a bit of heated backlash (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-fake-senators) and a change in their back end tracking. All is well now!

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