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My AM asked me to drop this campaign even though i think the opposite !! (14)

09-06-2018 11:22 PM #1 wakeboarder (Member)

Exactly what alfo1324 said.

You can still spend $5 or $10 on this offer if you will get more conversions, but even then you need to test additional offers.

This one was OK, it's not -100% ... next one could be -45% or -30%!

Keep on and don't stop testing!

09-06-2018 11:51 PM #2 bilelbboy (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by wakeboarder View Post
Exactly what alfo1324 said.

You can still spend $5 or $10 on this offer if you will get more conversions, but even then you need to test additional offers.

This one was OK, it's not -100% ... next one could be -45% or -30%!

Keep on and don't stop testing!
Emmmm okkey, i think i'm gonna move on, I'm just a bit saturated with lot of infos and struggeling in verticals, I think i'm gonna buy

Adplexity mobile subscription to see what's working so i can get some ideas.

any advice from you guyes would be warmly welcomed

09-07-2018 07:24 AM #3 alfo1324 (AMC Alumnus)

Yeah a good spytools helps a lot, btw with low payout offers you could go mass testing: take a Vertical+Geo combo and start testing all the offers you can grab for it with the best ad+lander combo you take from spying.

It may sound overwhelming and expensive but it's not: you'll find the cream raising to the top pretty soon, that is the best offers popping up vs losers.

Good luck mate.

09-07-2018 12:25 PM #4 bilelbboy (Member)

Thanks for the advice mate

09-07-2018 12:35 PM #5 smoochy (Member)

Is the screenshot you posted sorted by placements? This is not even close to being anywhere near statistically significant to make a decision on dropping or staying with the campaign. Is it RON traffic? Or is it placements you have had success in the past with. What is the traffic source.

09-07-2018 12:54 PM #6 bilelbboy (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by smoochy View Post
Is the screenshot you posted sorted by placements? This is not even close to being anywhere near statistically significant to make a decision on dropping or staying with the campaign. Is it RON traffic? Or is it placements you have had success in the past with. What is the traffic source.
Ehhh the screen shot is sorted by number of visitors i received, and yes those are placement, and coul you explain what is RON traffic ?
no i didn't had any sucess with these placement that's my first time i run this campaign and about the traffic source i'm using popunders with propellerads

09-07-2018 01:38 PM #7 smoochy (Member)

Black list the first placement and keep running the rest. If 1200-1500 visits and no conversions, blacklist that placement (exclude in propeller) and keep running. Offer obviously converts, but unless you have a solid proven collection of siteids on propeller for this type of traffic, you can't really make a decision based on what's in the screenshot. Have you tried using a lander? Another issue I see, is from what I know propeller does not allow AV offers anymore, unless that changed recently or you had it pre-approved.

09-07-2018 01:41 PM #8 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by bilelbboy View Post
Emmmm okkey, i think i'm gonna move on, I'm just a bit saturated with lot of infos and struggeling in verticals, I think i'm gonna buy

Adplexity mobile subscription to see what's working so i can get some ideas.

any advice from you guyes would be warmly welcomed
Spytool will help you for sure ...

On a side note, PIN submits are quite hard to work with now, the regulations are too tough. Sweeps should be a better choice.

I understand it's hard to start, but as others said, the best you can do is to test and test and test ... action is the key.

09-07-2018 01:59 PM #9 Mr Payne (Member)

I think the advice given may not fully paint the picture properly so I'm gonna chime in...

As matuloo stated, antivirus pins and pin submits in general are difficult to make work and probably isn't a good place to start especially if you are on a lower budget.

However... in the PROCESS of testing offers for this particular example... spending $12 on traffic with a $2.8 payout offer - this is no where near enough of a test. The fact that you got one conversion is a great sign in my opinion especially considering its a pin submit which typically work best on a very small group of placements/traffic segments and can be quite profitable.

There is more than one approach.. I usually only advise to test single offers if you have been giving a strong recommendation from your AM or if you discovered it on spy tools etc but you should only give it a reasonable amount of time and budget to test before moving onward to something else. The approach that most often wins is to test multiple offers at one time and setup different campaigns across multiple geos and multiple traffic sources.

Your test PROCESS should be something like...

Test offer(s) with a reasonable budget > any offer that converts consistently even if the overall ROI is low still I would keep them and send more traffic > review and assess if anything sticks out quite well > if one or more are converting quite consistent but just too low to show any real signs of potential on the traffic sources > test those offers on more traffic sources.

Don't just throw away money, you definitely need to be smart a careful in the beginning, but you need to find the right combination of Offers + GEO + Traffic = winner. That requires testing more than others are willing to do.


Andrew

09-07-2018 02:05 PM #10 i_trunov (Member)

Yeah mate, sure mate I spent about thousand USD for test, because I had to make black list if ROI was more than (-70%) it was really good, and it was possible to optimeze campaign.
But as for me 2.8 usd it is too little for pin Submit, for example we pay our publishers 16 usd for Pin submit - Fortnite Tutorial ( DE)
If you are interested, you can ping me in skype, and I ll show you our best offers
Skype: live:21b649abf50d85a2

09-07-2018 02:13 PM #11 bilelbboy (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
Spytool will help you for sure ...

On a side note, PIN submits are quite hard to work with now, the regulations are too tough. Sweeps should be a better choice.

I understand it's hard to start, but as others said, the best you can do is to test and test and test ... action is the key.
Emmm yes i think i will use spy tools, i don't know actually whether should i copy past or edit the campaigns but I think i will try to find chances where i can be better than the one i'm spying on (even thought that's rare to happened). and Yeah i prefere sweepstakes but the problem is that sweeps aren't two much available in Tier 3 countrys that's why sometimes i try PIN submit offers

09-07-2018 02:25 PM #12 bilelbboy (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by Mr Payne View Post
I think the advice given may not fully paint the picture properly so I'm gonna chime in...

As matuloo stated, antivirus pins and pin submits in general are difficult to make work and probably isn't a good place to start especially if you are on a lower budget.

However... in the PROCESS of testing offers for this particular example... spending $12 on traffic with a $2.8 payout offer - this is no where near enough of a test. The fact that you got one conversion is a great sign in my opinion especially considering its a pin submit which typically work best on a very small group of placements/traffic segments and can be quite profitable.

There is more than one approach.. I usually only advise to test single offers if you have been giving a strong recommendation from your AM or if you discovered it on spy tools etc but you should only give it a reasonable amount of time and budget to test before moving onward to something else. The approach that most often wins is to test multiple offers at one time and setup different campaigns across multiple geos and multiple traffic sources.

Your test PROCESS should be something like...

Test offer(s) with a reasonable budget > any offer that converts consistently even if the overall ROI is low still I would keep them and send more traffic > review and assess if anything sticks out quite well > if one or more are converting quite consistent but just too low to show any real signs of potential on the traffic sources > test those offers on more traffic sources.

Don't just throw away money, you definitely need to be smart a careful in the beginning, but you need to find the right combination of Offers + GEO + Traffic = winner. That requires testing more than others are willing to do.


Andrew
Thank you Andrew for the advice, The problem is that i'm really good in taking action, I rather test and spend money even thought i don't have much budget only 2000$, i already spend arround 400$ in traffic, host, STM,.. As you advised i'm gonna be more carefull and go to adplexity and start spying so i can see what's working and what's not, so if you have any advice regadring the spying process & any other CPA strategy it is warmly welcomed

09-09-2018 06:43 PM #13 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by bilelbboy View Post
Emmm yes i think i will use spy tools, i don't know actually whether should i copy past or edit the campaigns but I think i will try to find chances where i can be better than the one i'm spying on (even thought that's rare to happened). and Yeah i prefere sweepstakes but the problem is that sweeps aren't two much available in Tier 3 countrys that's why sometimes i try PIN submit offers
You can copy the whole funnel if you wish, but don't expect to see it in profit just like that ... you still don't know the targeting that the affiliates you are copying is using ... they might also have better payouts etc ... What I usually tell people, is to use the ripped funnels as benchmark, some something you will take as a basic measure and try to improve that.

The problem with ripping funnels is you never know who you copy from and whether its a profitable funnel ... read this for more thoughts on this : https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ping+campaigns

PINs can work, but as mrpayne already mentioned, you really need to find the right traffic/placements for them and that requires a lot of testing, unfortunately.

09-11-2018 02:10 PM #14 AdCenter (Member)

the ROI is quite low indeed, if you are looking to test some new offers, we can have a chat, I can help you
Add me on Skype : ben.adcenter we can see what we can do together (for different verticals like movies, sports, sweeps etc...)

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