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How much To start with native? (59)

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Hey guys,

Just wanted to see others opinion and thoughts when it comes to the budget for natives.

I have about 3.5-5k I can spend on natives as of right now.

Im not totally knew so its not like im just starting out im just wondering what some native affiliates think about that number and if its possible.

Obviously not gonna be running 40-50 dollar nutra offers and use cloaking. Def dont have the budget for that

But smaller payouts between 5-20 Max

- Jeremiah

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Sorry guys would also like to see what platforms you guys like to run on?? Revcontent keeps popping up but If i spend 100 a day ill be out of cash within a few weeks.

MGID i heard mixed reviews of

Anything else?

Thanks guys!

- Jeremiah

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Ive also just started with Native and I chose to run Diet. My allocated budget was just $500 though and you know what, I was able to make a sale in the first $100 I spent with MGID( Although still in red, but a sale is a sale). I think you got good budget to setup native. All the Best !

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Just sent u a PM. Thanks man

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anybody know how long it takes for a ad to get approved on taboola? i have a brand new account, sent in account verification documents a few days but campaign is still showing pending

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take a look at this

https://help.taboola.com/hc/en-us/ar...Review-Process

It says it likes to review within a business day but i remember reading somewhere sometimes it takes ALOT longer than that. NAtive in general to my knowledge.

- Jeremiah

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Anyone else have anything to comment regarding native? Because i just keep hearing a HUGE range of numbers IE: 1k, 5-10k even 20k plus!

Im curious to see how much some of you native affiliates started with...

- Jeremiah

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I think you will be good on that budget. Just search on here to find what people recommend for Native networks. Focus on 1 traffic source at a time until it makes money. Make sure you have a few good networks. I find works best to split test offers between a few.

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thank you!

I definitely plan on starting soon. going to do a little more research and ill go from there!

-Jeremiah

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My experience: $18,924.39 total spend on Revcontent since 2-3 months ago that I dared to try Native and.... I'm still kinda struggling to make things stable. Not really sure about the right Boost type for the best results. Still need to play more and it needs more $ for that. I'm at a point I can not go back but the fact is Native needs BIG budget. It's expensive. I would not recommend it for small budgets.

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Jesus christ. Yea native is not for newbies with small budget. Which is why im still focusing on mobile to get my budget up. Is it possible do make it work with what i have right now on MGID? Yea but it will be a fricken tight one.

Especially since rev makes you spend at least 100 a day.

So to get this clear your still doing native? and if you are i hope your in the green! or at least not far from it. Alot in the green would be even better

So to answer the question your saying around what? at least 10k? not for rev for MGID. you dont have to spend as much.

- Jeremiah

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Whenever people say "you need $X to test on Y traffic source" you've also got to factor in the fact that you're going to be getting conversions and generating revenue during your testing.

So saying 'you need $5K to test on Taboola' does NOT mean you need to be prepared to lose $5K to get the campaign in to profit.

e.g. if you're promoting a $50 ecomm type offer, then after a certain point if you've had no conversions then it's probably sensible to pause & re-think or move on to another offer. The exact point when you quit if no conversions is going to vary dependant on your tolerance level, the payout, the traffic source & several factors. But no competent affiliate would continue buying traffic on a $50 offer after they've spent $5K unless they've got a decent ROI.

Furthermore, saying 'you need $5K to test on Taboola' does not even mean that you need $5K ready in the bank to test with! Assuming that you are going to be getting some conversions and a reasonable & rising ROI, then the campaign should be partially paying for itself within a few days. As the ROI (hopefully) rises as you optimise, the traffic costs can be paid more & more from the revenue you are generating (assuming you're on weekly payments). So once you start approaching break-even the campaign is essentially free.

You could reasonably spend $5K getting a campaign into profit but $2-4K of that money came from commissions you generated on that campaign. So in that case you only needed $1-2K to test the campaign in the beginning.

A better question is "How much spend on X traffic source for a $Y payout offer before I can reasonably hope get to -50% ROI"

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god bless your wisdom, Seriously have not even thought of this. But i wont be promoting 50 dollar products to start. its going to be payputs between 8-20 dollars.

So lets go with your (better than mine) way.

I have a MGID account. And i get swipe a $10 paypout offer... Would 500 be enough? I know their is some math to figure this out but i never passed math 12 LOL.

Thanks for all the replies guys. Giving me new ideas and ways to look at things.

- Jeremiah

1 more thing to add in here... When running native. Do you guys still mass test offers with the same 1 or 2 landers? Or do you guys just do your research really well look in similarweb and see how the trend has been doing. then pick 1 offer to go with for a few landers.

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^^ This is very important ^^

Depending on your initial performance, the 5k you have available could easily become 15k worth of traffic, if you plan the cashflow right ... and that is definitely quite solid amount of traffic to play with and as such, should be sufficient to give you VERY SOLID chance at making it in native. There are no guarantees of course, after all there are still people who fail at AM completely, no matter what their budgets were.

In native it's very important to identify the bad widgets and block them ... most of the sites that just buy cheap traffic, then trade it to drive the numbers up are quite poor when it comes to quality. That's large part of the high budget requirements, these sites pop up often, especially in the more lenient networks like MGID ... it's important to develop a habit of checking widgets very often and cutting the poor ones.

Another problem with native is the long time it takes to get something approved, so you need to be patient.

Native is just another traffic type ... so if you've been doing well with the mass testing strategy, there is no reason not to try it on native too. Just keep in mind it's a different traffic than POPs for example, the funnel also contains the banner/ad so it's important to stay consistent with the whole funnel and only use matching offers. It's also important to familiarize yourself with the terms of the particular networks ... some of them don't like when you advertise certain product in the ads and then send surfers to a completely different product.

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Very well put matuloo thank you. Unfortunatetely after the currency exchange im just below the number on the lower scale.

Im planning on using push notifications to help build my systems in play and get everything under control so when i go into native I already have everything set up and im not starting from scratch.

Ill know have my own train of thought on how to find offers, set up camps how many landers to put, bidding strategy ETC.

Thanks for your help everyone. When i reach at least 4-5k USD and feel like i got everything i need down. Ill go to native!

And yes i do hear about the widgets with terrible quality/bots. Ill read more about exactly how people handled these things and ill implement them into my own systems.

And yes i do believe its common sense to stay consistent throughout the whole funnel looks wise and among everything else to make it feel that company is promoting it. I really don't understand why people would advertise one thing then send them to another user in the first place.

Anyways thanks guys for all the tips and input!

- Jeremiah

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Depends on the offer payouts, but generally no I don't mass test offers like you might do with say pops. It's important that you talk to your AM to find out which offers are the top performers and start with say the top 2. You can also use spy tools to validate what's working for others.

What you should really do is test a few different verticals and go with the one that performs best.

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Also if you start in some tier 2 or tier 3 geo I believe you can get much lower with your initial budget.

The traffic will be cheaper, so it may be good to try out the waters and do learn the basics.

Anyway it's nowhere close to pops, that's the cheapest route, however you need to have solid offers these days.

Native could also have much brighter future as it's not so intrusive and aggressive format as pops.

And as mentioned above, spy tools are you friends.

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That's is what i plan on doing. Already building a good relationship with my rep at revcontent she has been a great help. No definitely not. But im not a super beginner i've been in the space for a little bit.

regarding offers yes i know. I Do alot of research and spying into them to increase my chances of finding one that converts. Also having a good relationship with your AM is definitely a must have.

But yes smaller geo's and as targeted as I can get it at first. I'm not going for huge volume just yet. Im going to break even and profitably along with getting a feel and learning more about how revcontent works.

after then i will go more broad if need be open up my budget if my ROI is high enough to take a hit. And hopefully the rest is history.

Ill definitely make a case study of my first successful camp on native.

And thank you @thedudeabides and @erikgyepes. You guys are always dropping knowledge bombs i can't wait to meet you guys in person sometime.

And erik Im still planning on taking you and others on that yaght

Best regards,

- Jeremiah

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Boom! Go for it!

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3.5-5k is easily enough to get started with native

just start with low bids, get the obviously crap publishers out, that only takes a couple of days, then up your bids and get the not so obviously crap out over the next week or two and then it's just a matter of monitoring for new crap publishers that will appear every few days

then the more crap you get out the more you can up your bids

once you get the obviously crap stuff out if you are not at least close to break even or in profit just scrap it and move on to something else

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AMEN! Thank you Also guys im not successful yet but im about 15-20x more knowledgeable since i joined STM. Seriously just want to thank everyone. The mods and even people like curious george here dropping bombs.

I come from a more backround of sales. So naturally i went deep into copy and love it so Im super terrible at coding or even fixing up landers. But thanks to you guys your input and your threads I'm actually at a place where i feel confident i can make it in this very competitive industry. So This is just a mini gratitude post.

I promise one day Ill pay it foward to this community for helping me and others grow like crazyyyyy. Let alone the connections you make? No fucking brainer. Im going to be a member here either until 1) i die 2) the world blows up. Way to much value here to leave.

OKAY NOW BACK TO NATIVE

Best regards,

- Jeremiah

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get someone like banners landers to do your landers for you, they rip them and check them for any malicious code for $40

that was the one thing i hated about starting new campaigns, it's just so damn boring and i would end up putting things off for a week because i was sick of editing landers all the time

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What's their turnaround time usually?

And really I enjoy the learning experience. Don't get me wrong there were many times where i was very close to throwing my laptop out the window. But lot's learned. Once i just profit and start managing my time for maximum efficiency i plan on doing that or just hiring my own coder to make new landers from scratch. Like i said i love selling.

Over the next few months i definitely plan on going hard on copy and design.

Ill still rip fix and test which ones do better. mine or theirs. But it's just something i want to get into the habit of. I want to create trends not follow them.

But thanks for the tip!

- Jeremiah

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24-48 hours

no need to reinvent the wheel here at all, what i do is pick the best two landers and the 10 best ads for the geo + vertical and just copy everything exactly, no changes, get in to profit that way and then you can start testing your own ads or optimizing your landers

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So to get this straight... 1 camp 1 offer 2 landers for that offer and 10 ads?

Now from there is the first thing you optimize is widgets? Because that's what i was thinking of doing. But like i said just getting into native i still have yet to develop and very effective system of doing things.

But this is how i would imagine things going:

for a campaign I would have
. 1 offer carefully selected. as in AM recommended it and did some spying to see if other affiliates were running that particular offer.
. 2 of the top landers regarding that verticle.
. 8-12 of the best ads copied into my own camp

Let run then the next day start optimizing from cutting widgets. Keep cutting for a few days until i get to idk what -20-30% ROI?

Then knowing i have decent widgets on my campaign I would now focus on the ads as it's the first thing the people see. I would pick the top 3-5 and let them run? Is that a fare ammount?

From this I would hope to get the ROI a little closer to break even. And depending on how good the Lander CTR is and the ad CTR i would continue to optimize that.

Then basically just go back and forth. Continue to cut out bad placements and make a blacklist. Take the good placements and make a white list.

Then once or IF the campaign becomes profitable i create a New campaign. This time everything already optimized with the White list widgets?

What do you guys think of that. That's a rough copy. Definitely not my final essay but im thinking i would start with something like this?


- Jeremiah

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not far off tbh

so i run trials, i'm not sure what you run or are planning to run, there might be more offers available to you, but usually there will only be a couple of trials performing well on native at any one time anyway, sometimes there will only be one that is obviously doing well, you want to try and get on what you can see is working as far as offers

so 1 or 2 offers, the best two landers and the 10 best ads using your spy tool, when i say best i arrange by strength and choose the top 2 landers and 10 best ads that are still running if that makes sense? this is pretty general but good place to start

now when you start a campaign on revcontent, typically what you will see on the first day is maybe a dozen or so publishers that you get a whole bunch of clicks from, crap ctr and no leads, those will be obvious when you see them, if you get 500 or 1000 clicks from a widget id in the first half hour and 0.5% ctr, that's what I mean by obvious crap, block those

second day you will see the slightly slower ones, that maybe take 24 hours to get 500-1000 clicks, but still less than 1% ctr and no leads, that is also obvious crap, get those blocked

now that I've got the obvious crap out I would put daily budget up to $200 instead of $100 and up my bids slightly but I would be expecting to get 2 or 3 leads at least for that $200, I'm averaging $58 per lead right now, and sometimes those campaigns will be in profit by this stage

then the next stage depends on where you set your limits for what you are willing to spend on a widget before you cut it, i see people saying you should spend 3x the offer payout before cutting but I disagree, if a widget has spent 1x the offer payout, so for me it's $58, I block it, i know a lot of people will say that's wrong but it works for me and your best widgets will be 2, 3 or 400% roi anyway so you are still left with all the best ones

then as you get those out, up your bids and repeat

then you just have to watch out for new obviously crap widgets appearing, that's actually what annoys me the most about revcontent, you can have everything running along perfectly and then you suddenly realize that you've had 500 or 1000 clicks from a new widget id that you've never seen before and of course by this stage you've upped your bids several times so they cost you more but that's something you just have to live with and most of what you have at this stage will be profitable anyway

something to watch out for on rev too that will let you get rid of crap publishers a little quicker, quite a lot of the time you will see in your stats something like widget id# 50001, 50002, 50003, 50004, 50005 all with something like 200 clicks and all say 1% ctr and no leads on any of them, so it's pretty obvious that those are the same publisher sending you that traffic so i take that as 1000 clicks from 1 publisher so I would block all of those even if those individual widget id's haven't reached my 1x offer payout

I'm not the best at explaining things but I hope this helps

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hey Jeremiah,

Overall your plan of action looks decent. I'll throw in some notes from my experience / $100k+ spend on MGID, $30k+ on Revcontent.

-Traffic quality and volume can vary a lot, even day to day. This makes things like evaluating ads a lot more difficult. I prefer to upload about 10 ads per campaign, since approvals can take some time, but I only run about 3-5 ads at a time. If I run over 5 ads it gets hard to evaluate them.

-Make sure you are optimizing widgets based on landing page ctr, not just based on conversions. This will save you a ton of cash. The rules I go with it are:
Block widgets that had 50 clicks but 0 landing page click throughs
Block about the bottom 40% of widgets when it comes to lp ctr. So if the average lp ctr is 20%, I'd block everything under 13% or 15%

-You can use a program like brax.io or theoptimizer.io to make optimization and monitoring sweet and simple(r)

good luck
Jack

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Guys your all amazing. I'm just about to sleep here but tomorrow I will write all this down so I can go step by step when actually going live.

Few questions tho for curious George. Well first off I'm going to be running gambling/casino offers. But my questions are this

1. What's a good ctr for revc then if anything under 1% deserves to be blacklisted?

Also is it safe to say a widget with 1000 impressions and 200 clicks are bots?

And for jack thank you for those tips I'll definitely put the bottom 40% rule into play.

HAH let's just hope my tracking doesnt screw up again. Let me rephrase that. Let's hope I set up the tokens right this time to actually see what's going on.

Looking forward to your replies! Very much appreciated


- Jeremiah

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This is where it gets a little bit complicated and you can't just go off ctr, your average ctr might be 10%, but you can have widgets that are 3 or 4% ctr that are still profitable. That's where I would disagree with jack01 slightly and it comes down to conversions rather than ctr.

Do you mean 1000 clicks through to your lander and 200 clicks through to the offer giving you 20% ctr? That wouldn't be unusually high if thst's what you mean?

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people certainly have different ways of doing things. IF it works for you. Then GOOD!

and regarding the CTR no im talking 20% ad CTR


- Jeremiah

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One more thing on my mind. When you say top 2 LP's okay that makes total sense. But do If you say you wanna change a few headlines or some copy. would I just add another LP to the campaign? Or would that mean a budget bigger than I can afford.

If so. I should just leave the top 2 landers be. If 1 really out performs the other I will throw away the other one and bring 100% of the traffic to that.

So my main optimization would be:
1) The widgets, creating a blacklist and white list
2) The ads. New images + Copy
3) Bidding price? But only once I start to see green?

Thanks guys. The amount of learning i'm taking away just from this thread is insane!

- Jeremiah

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Yeah I agree with you.

I started testing a hybrid of this. At the beginning I'll cut out low lp ctr widgets, since most of my profitable widgets are above average lp ctr. Then if the campaign is profitable I go back into theoptimizer and unblock widgets which got cut due to low lp ctr and let them run until about 2x offer payout.

The reason I bring this up is because I learned the hard way last year. I was running a skin tag cps offer on native and was using the offer's advertorial. This meant that I was sending traffic directly to the network and wasn't tracking lp ctr. I was only optimizing based on sales and was about -$3k or -$4k after about 3 months. After optimization I was running about break even when the offer paused.

During the pause I got a new MGID manager, we talked it through, and I set up the advertorial on my server. Soon stats showed that almost all of the profitable widgets were running at above average lp ctr. I gave my MGID manager access to my tracker so that he could optimize based on lp ctr. Optimization went a lot faster this way. Unfortunately the offer got paused and we were never able to reach profitability with other offers.

The point of the story is I probably would have been down $1k rather then the 3-4k if we optimized based on lp ctr right away. Or maybe after faster optimization we would have even been overall profitable before the offer's cancellation.

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Exactly. Curious george does have a good point. But For the sake of my smaller budget I will do jack01's way. Am i leaving profit on the table for not letting certain widgets run? most likely.

But when I start making good profit and am able to pay that extra cash to be able to squeeze all that juicy cash from that campaign I will. So both are right.

Personally I just budget wise jacks version is more appropriate in a scenario like this. But hes doing a test as well so we will see what the results show!

- Jeremiah

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yes so usually 1 of your 2 landers will start to look a lot better after a few days so you can get the other one out and then if you want to try and improve on the winning lander you have left i would make the changes and add that/those in as separate landers

as for ads sometimes half of the 10 will be profitable or sometimes it will just be one so you can block the losing ones and start trying to improve on the winning ones with a few variations at a time

as for bids i would first up them after you get those terrible publishers out in the first couple of days, then you will be blocking a handful of widgets every day for a few weeks as they get to the max you are willing to spend without a conversion and upping the bids as you go, that will all depend on how much traffic you are getting, what targets you are getting conversions from etc

i wouldn't be worrying about a whitelist and separate whitelist campaigns at this stage, just try and get in to green and grow your original blacklist campaigns first

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good tips one after another. god damn!

Okay that makes total sense and i will do that.

Just talked to my rep and she said she can give me a white list to start off so that can possibly save me quite abit of time and money.

Quick question. Never ran native yet. starting in like a day or 2. SUPER PUMPED.

But something im curious about is

1) on average how many widgets come in your campaign in the first few days? is it in the hundreds? thousands?

And when to up bids now makes alot more sense and reasonable. thanks!


- Jeremiah

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sorry guys few more things. when making a camp. It has the option to exlude low volume widgets. Should i exclude them?

Im going to click yes but what do you guys usually do?

This isnt a real camp. Just need to get 1 approved so i can put money in.

Also in the tracking section at the bottom. Do i leave it blank? I believe i have to do something to be able to track everything to my tracker. Just do not know exactly what.


- Jeremiah

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it will be hundreds and then more will appear as you increase your bids

one thing about the whitelists they give you, I've always found them to be so small that there is hardly enough traffic to make it worth while so I'm curious how many widget id's they gave you? I'm guessing a couple dozen but I could be wrong. it's up to you if you want to do it that way but it has never worked for me

also I don't exclude low volume widgets and you don't need to do anything on that first page with tracking, I've never liked that I always just use my full tracking link when I create the ads instead, I find that simpler

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ahhh okay.

And about the whitelist im not sure i haven't gotten it yet. But I'll go through it and see how many ID's I get. And i'm going to give it a go. Not going for huge volume on my first camp. Im just going to consistent ROI. Even if i only end up making 100 bucks a day or less.

Just till i get used to how everything works. But then I can just keep that running and now have a bigger budget to make another camp the way we talked about!

Cheers guys!

- Jeremiah

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Well it depends on the Geo. Tier 1 is expensive for sure, although nothing like Google or FB. Tier 3 can be quite cheap.

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Yea. It's the same with practically every traffic source in that sense. Your saying FB and Google traffic on Tier 1 has higher CPC's than Native?

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Generally speaking traffic prices tend to go Google > FB > Native. Not always and everytime, but for the most part.

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That is very interesting and good to know. I thought native was actually more or as expensive as google then facebook was the cheapest.

so something like this google > native > facebook

Unlike facebook or some other networks i hear native can take FOREVER to get your ads approved.

For revcontent how long does it take compared to other sources such as taboola or MGID?

once again thank you for everyones input. Im going to put all into use in the next few days. I cannot wait to get back to you guys and see what happens.

Should i start a follow along?

Thoughts on that? It would probably be $1000 max budget. So nothing to crazy but i think it may be able to work with enough targeting and the right strategy that you guys told me earlier on in this thread.

Let me know! Im still not 100% sure i have the tracking done right yet. still cant figure out if i should use bemob or Voluum. I have both LOL




- Jeremiah


PS: who going to bangkok? Hopefully ill be able to make !

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Revcontent improved their approval speeds over the years, its generally 1 business day. Same with MGID, except that sometimes they can fall behind and it'll be 2-3 days.

I HIGHLY advise you to ask for an account manager. MGID requires at least a $500 deposit.

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I have one. Except this little man doesn't like to respond. Hard to be professional and grow a relationship when your rep wont respond after 3 tries in a week. I got more than 500 in there. Actually want to take it out but i don't think its possible. Or is it? Even if it is who knows which century this dude will respond.

I apologize for my attitude. I just don't like when I come to the table ready to do business then the manager who is supposed to help me decides to fuck off unlike my revcontent rep. God bless that woman.

If i can't pull the money out ill just do my best to run a successful camp on that. Then once the money is gone im no longer going to be working with them.

I'm here to do fucking business, make money, grow relationships and make connections. my motto is the business is not done until both parties are happy. and in this case. I'm not happy.

Now i know my budget is not huge. But i'm willing to go all in with this and make things happen. and if the other party cannot see that then they are simply not worth my time. Or as of right now. maybe when i bring 50k to the table they will act a little better


And okay sweet thanks. I was just curious about the times cause i tried to run like a small taboola camp like 9 months ago or so. waited like 4 days and still pending so i said be gone with it and never tried again.


- Jeremiah

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I feel you. Still better than working with fb

I've had 2 amazing mgid managers and one that was so-so. She was responsive and detailed but a total maverick on the ad spend. Then she left the company

I hear that mgid's business is booming, they are hiring but still understaffed. The manager that I'm closest with sometimes takes a week to get back to me. That's fine, no hard feelings. Overall I've learned more from my 2 good mgid managers about native then I did from forums, ebooks, etc. A good manager is worth his/her weight in gold IMO.

I've also had two very good Revcontent managers but they are not as involved.

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Hey man add me on skype jeremy.andor I feel like we would get along very well.

And oh i know. A good manager does not matter if network or traffic source is a HUGE deal.

Yea i havent even started running on native yet and my rep from revcontent is already helping me out alot. Im sure once i start proving myself the relationship will only get better with more perks and progress. And it's not that i dont like MGID. I personally have no thoughts and heard many mixed reviews

It is just that bad customer service is a massive pet peeve of mine. I dont feel entitled but How do you run a business with unhappy customers? Now in your case you had it good which is awesome. maybe i just got a bad egg from the basket.

And if my manager in the past is really helpful and tries his/her best to help me when we do talk. Im okay with extended breaks i know we all got stuff to do. But when you give me no value in return for silence. That's when i leave. But it is what it is. Not a big deal

I'll just run a camp on their from one of my networks and try to make it work. if i can awesome if i cant i learned that the offer doesnt work and i have a better idea of how to run native and take control.


- Jeremiah

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YO YO YO. Just topped up on my rev account and going to start looking for some good offers to run.

My question is do landers on native need SSL? Because i keep trying to get a SSL certificate in my amazon account but i never receive that email that's supposed to be coming.

Also gonna give a quick shoutout to everyone that's been masterminding and well mostly me asking them questions on native and marketing in general. Thanks guys. Can't wait to one day repay you! Not going to name any names you guys know who you are.


I could only put 500 in revcontent because if my daily limit spend. So hopefully tomorrow or this weekend ill go to the bank fix that up and put more in.

then if all goes to plan i dont fuck up my tracking again I should have a running campaign by next week!

I will keep you guys posted still deciding if i should start a follow along or not. we will see!

best regards,


- Jeremiah

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interested to see how this goes

why not try and get something submitted tonight, Fri and Sat (usually) being the best days?

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Thanks! me too haha. hopefully well.

Yea ill see what i can do. manager from clickdealer gave me a offer he said was working well.

Its a casino offer for germany DOI. So conversion is made when the user confirms his/her email.

Ill look to see if there is any landers for it. Maybe i can mod one or 2 to fit my exact offer.

I'll keep this thread posted. If i find what i need Ill just start a new thread with a follow along.

So do you suggest i start off with or without a white list as my first camp?

Also im thinking of capping the campaign at about a 500 dollar loss. Is that decent enough?

Are you even aloud to push german casino offers on revcontent?

Thanks guys!


- Jeremiah

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hey guys. Thinking of promoting a offer. Rn just setting things up.

It's for canada and it has a 55 dollar payout for a 10 dollar deposit. I see it making big numbers on adplexity so that's why i chose this particular offer.

What do you guys think a decent campaign budget would be.

It's 1 lander.

5-8 ads. On that lower scale possibly to save some money.

and geo is canada.

Thoughts?



- Jeremiah

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YO YO YO!

I picked the offer. Im setting up hosting right now. 1 lander is already ready to go.

there is this other lander but i've seen it being used since last year so I dont really see it going that far.

So going to stick to 1 lander. Offer i know works. I know the lander works in australia UK and canada.

payout is 55 dollars for a $10 deposit.

I'm going to put a 1000 dollar budget spend limit on it. I would like for it to be 3-5k but cant Just because i have like just over half that left until my next few paychecks.

Stay tuned cause im going to start a new follow along and would like you all to learn from my mistakes so you don't have to pay the price!

Also some tips never hurt

Cheers guys,


- Jeremiah

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Campaign budgets vary on many different factors. One big factor is your bid.

A higher bid will significantly speed up your discovery process, and will present scaling opportunities much more frequently. But will almost always require more than $5k.

A lower bid won't give you much quality traffic, and your discovery process will likely to take a long time, especially when running in competitive GEOs. However you will still slowly gather data, and gradually build up your blacklist. Also, some platforms (MGID being one of them) will let you bid individually per widget allowing you to hand pick specific widgets that perform and bid higher on them, while keeping your general campaign bid low.

the second option is generally a much safer one, especially when it comes to running on relatively low budgets (i would consider your budget fairly low)
But it will require much, much more time to optimize and scale the campaign to a point where you can actually pocket from it decently.

Given your budget, i would personally recommend focusing on T3, T2 countries where you can get decent volume of traffic for relatively low bids and build your campaign slowly while keeping an eye for opportunities to scale

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AMEN! Thanks for the reply. Yes I to consider my budget very low for native. Some will say it's not even possible. But 60 years ago did they think it was possible to talk to thousands of people on a "forum" on a handheld device the size of a decent ummm... well u know.

NO.

But I just put some ads up on revcontent but because its Sunday I'm most likely going to need to wait another day to get approved.

I chose Netherlands because it's a English speaking offer. And Netherlands have alot of English speaking people even tho its not their main language. Also the geo is pretty small so my budget wont blow up.

For Netherlands and for that area what is a decent bid? I cant see any bids to go off of.

Also so I have a good expectation of what to see what's a good / decent ad CTR to go off of?

thank you everyone!



- Jeremiah

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I don't think it's impossible at all to make it work with lower budgets, just saying that in my opinion it requires a slower and safer strategy.

As concerned to expectations of ad CTR% - I don't think it's something at all to be focusing on primarily in the beginning, especially when you're running RON (I assume you're running RON) since you will be getting unreliable statistics due to a high volume of crappy placements.

My initial focus is always "cleaning up" the placement targeting by blacklisting. Once your placement targeting is a bit better you can rely more on stats for variables such as ad CTR%

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What does ron stand for?

And yes i was planning on that. Actually just paused the campaign. Im going to wait till tomorrow or tuesday to get a whitelist from my rep and start from there.

CTR is not im thinking about solely at first. I know theres still lots to do before that really becomes really important. I was just wondering what a decent creative brings you guys just out of curiosity.

- Jeremiah

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RON stands for Run On Network, basically a BL campaign in which you run every widget available on the network with the goal of eliminating widgets that don't perform and narrowing down to what does perform

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AHHHH yes i get it now. No im waiting for my manager to give me a white list. She said to just contact her once i have a campaign setup and she will hook me up. So by monday or tuesday im guessing i will get the list.

Now regarding widgets and If i was running RON. This is what ive been told on how to optimize:

Block widgets that had 50 clicks but 0 landing page click throughs


Block about the bottom 40% of widgets when it comes to lp ctr. So if the average lp ctr is 20%, I'd block everything under 13% or 15%


Pick the top 3-5 Ads then delete the rest


Add a few more ads with different variations to try and beat the best performing ones


Once you get good CTR ads going, see if your profitable


Go back to widgets and blacklist any CTR above 80% and CTR under .5%


Once proftiable or close to profit. Add higher bid


Rince + repeat

Do you have anything to add to this or is this pretty good starting off?

And for the whitelist since i already have good widgets. I should focus more on creatives and the LP right? That's what im thinking of doing. Im just curious of how others approach scenerios without giving up their "secret sauce"


- Jeremiah

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Try Earnify.

Awesome Native Network without bots.

https://www.earnify.com/r/R-8Xko

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Are you running camps with earnify, upworkpankaj19 ?



LeadCloak

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