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Need help - desperate to find success in AM (6)

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Thanks for reading this. I have provided a summary of what I have been doing and where I'm stuck. Would like you to help me figure out what I'm doing wrong.

I'm currently promoting clickbanks and nutra offers (cpaprosperity); here are some of the example of the offers and pre-landers. I'm doing direct linking through Bing, but not very successful.

1. Ketosis Guide - http://ketosiscookbook.review/
2. Ex Factor guide - http://exfactorguide.review/
3. Patriot Power greens - http://naturalhealthalert.com/Patriot_Power_Greens/
4. 3 step stamina - http://3stepstamina.men/

Here is how I find an offer:
1. Ask my AM
2. Look for offers in the network, use vpn and search them in the targeted geography to see how many other affiliate are promoting this offers.
3. Research the offers on google trends.
4.Using google trends and keywords like review, best, buy- trying to find the offers which are trending, search for the offer in offervault and apply to the network which have these offers.

Promoting:
1. I use vpn to spy my competitor page and rip the best page that I like
2. I rip other people ad copies
3. Create new ad copy basis of objective like - what would you get after using the product-end results, price, social proof, guarantee, creating emergency with limited time offer.
4. I make few modification on the landing page like sticky CTA, adding social proof, timer.
5. I create a search campaign on adwords and bing.
6. I now target a huge list of keywords, all in either broad, or modifier, depending on how much impressions I'm receiving.
7. Not using any tracker for now

Need help with:
1. Not getting huge traffic even after bidding for thousands of keywords with cpc of 1% of my commission
2. Not sure how to run display campaign for CPA- as approval is an issue
3. Don't know how to cloak and farm/rent adwords account
4. Need help with tracking
5. Want you to let me know what I'm doing wrong

*I don't want to create coupon accounts for adwords, want to use real money.

I want to focus on search and gdn traffic for now. And have plans to explore facebook, and native. Already servicing clients on facebook.

I'm desperate to taste success as I have been working hard to decode and understand what I'm doing wrong and fix it.

Looking forward to hearing from you

very respectfully,
Anupam
skype: anupam.rajey

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Hey there,

I think Bing is a great traffic source to start out on. I don't have much specific advice on it, as its been years since I ran there, but it's pretty affiliate friendly unless some major compliance policies have gone into effect.

Direct linking generally isn't going to cut it. The exception might be gaming offers, and video sales letter type pages that some offers have(clickbank has quite a few I'm sure). Plus a lander is a great way to qualify visitors and boost conversions, and also optimize the traffic so you can cut keywords or placements/widgets that aren't getting any or low click-through-rates on your landing page, much sooner than having to wait for each keyword to spend 2x the offer payout for example.

The best advice I can give you is to find offers that are already doing volume, and find out how they're running, rather than searching for offers and trying to find out if anyone is running them. You can find this out from your AM, and also your traffic source rep sometimes.

I'm sure there are some paid keyword research tools out there that you could use to discover top affiliates on bing, I'm just not sure what the best ones currently are though.

Seems like you got it covered aside from not using a tracker - that's an absolute must. I don't think timers are allowed on Bing though - they're generally not allowed on most mainstream sources.

Adding cool scripts and whatnot to pages can give a little bump to conversions, and is all fine and good, but affiliates tend to overly focus on the little things like that, when the bigger money is to be made testing angles and things like new headlines, images, CTA text etc.

Unless you can network a lot and make good contacts, I'd recommend you don't cloak to start. You seem like you're a man with a plan though, so maybe you can make that happen.

Focus is very important. Pick a source, one source, and focus on it. Find out what other affiliates are doing on the same source and try to get as much info as you can from spy tools, asking your affiliate account managers and traffic rep.

Also don't get too attached to one offer and trying to make it work. Put your best effort into testing a few good ones that you've researched, and then focus on the one that's converting the best.

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Thanks thedudeabides for your suggestions, I appreciate that. I really liked your advise.

I find this advise of yours to be most useful as I should be testing different angles as suggested.

On my journey towards learning AM and fixing what I'm doing wrong. Here's is something that I learnt on my way:

As I'm promoting these offers :

1. Ketosis Guide - http://ketosiscookbook.review/
2. Ex Factor guide - http://exfactorguide.review/
3. Patriot Power greens - http://naturalhealthalert.com/Patriot_Power_Greens/
4. 3 step stamina - http://3stepstamina.men/

When I started out, I was creating brand targeted keywords like "brand term", however, the issue with this campaign was the cpc was high as the other affiliates are also bidding on this keyword and I wasn't getting the ROI. "It is difficult to compete with threshold/coupon account".

Important point: I believe i have good sales page which would convert well with brand terms: people searching exactly for the offer that i'm promoting, but isn't that great for broad terms.

As this wasn't working well. this is what I did:

I made changes and added 1000's of broad keywords, targeting people which are looking for a solution but not exactly a product/service. example how to loose weight ; how to get your ex back.

Issue: I started getting cheap traffic, targeted (possibly yes), but broad. And I didn't get a funnel in place. for broad keywords where I'm getting CPC of $.3, I should be sending traffic to my funnel and convert them logically.

Pre-sale page (editorial kind of; make them aware and get them into consideration stage) >> sales page >> checkout and offcourse different upsell or downsell.

Apart from this, I found a one more way to research offer:

Find the niche that you would like to work on >> traffic source = ppc >> decide geo >> use vpn/residentail ip >> and search for the keyword - example "how to get ex back" >> open the list of sites that show up in the serp >> find the offers which they are promoting

There is a high chance that these offers would be trending.

We can do the same for finding Male enhancement product by visiting porn websites and seeing what other affiliates are promoting.

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I have found an affiliate who is helping me with:

1. Learn how to create and farm adwords account
2. How to cloak - Just bought JCI yesterday, will be setting up my first campaign possibly today

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Need help with:

1. A successful campaign where I can see what is happening (need to see a really successful campaign) - I can find out what I'm doing wrong
2. How to research different angles (seeing couple of funnels)

Again, I really appreciate your help and would keep on updating my learning in this thread.

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Kudos Anupam on an awesome follow-along! And solid advice from thedudeabides as always!

I echo thedudeabides' comment on only promoting the most-popular products. Around 10 years ago I was testing 40 clickbank products on adwords every week for months - and in the end the ones that made me good money were the ones that had high popularity/gravity.

Any product owner that has a hot product on their hands would not just sit on their hands - they would do split-tests on the sales page to continually improve their landing page, and it would be so easy to do because they'd have so many affiliates sending massive traffic to them. Plus the reason why the product gained such high popularity/gravity in the first place must be because the sales page made it a good converter.

Search traffic prices have risen a lot over the years. Instead of going for quick money with thin margins by promoting products directly, consider building an email list to sell to them again and again. To set how other marketers have set up their funnels, simply enter some funnels in a given niche yourself - opt-into some mailing lists or subscribe to some newsletters or similar - and you can get a bunch of copy (from ad to lander to emails to the types of products being promoted) that you can rewrite for your own funnel. (Advice: Start a new email for this purpose to avoid cluttering your main email. You'll need to wait a few weeks for stuff to collect at your inbox, but it will be worth it!)

That sounds like a great approach! Interested in seeing how you do!



Amy

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Thanks Amy for your advice. This is what I plan to do and a follow-along on what I learnt in last couple of days.

For clickbank offers. I'm using http://www.cbgraph.com/ to find out the movers and shakers, however, the issue is, that I don't see most of the offers trending on google trends.

Q: Do you use to just look at the gravity score (no of people promoting that offer) or they have to be trending on Google?

I plan to create 2 landing pages to try 2 different angles.

1. A pre-lander page similar to the offer page with more social proof, guarantee, timer, sticky cta button (for brand keywords)
2. A news / editorial type of pre-lander. I would spy on my competitor funnel and would pick up the best (For generic / broad keywords) I would appreciate if you could share ways to find such landers

I would test and will update my experience in this thread.

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Follow-along

1. Google Adwords is tricky when promoting CPA offers.
2. Most of the affiliates are creating AdWords $350 churn and burn / coupon / threshold account using vcc to promote Nutra offers through cloaking. (I just didn't like it, find it scammy)
3. Your accounts will get suspended if you are doing cloaking (sending people to sales page increase conversion)
4. You need constant supply of farmed adwords account which will run from few days to weeks

This is what I learnt regarding creating adwords account and farm it using real money (load money from netbanking).


Creation of adwords account and farming

I found 2 methods which are slightly different, plan to try them at my earliest. I plan to use real money.

1. Use aws/virtual machine and create an instance of India (I'm based in India) >> create an AdWords account using that instance with fake details >> you can find people who can help you with phone/otp verification for few cents / or can use smspv/getsmscode >> add money manually through netbanking >> Run white hat campaign "ecommerce store" (new website each time) or any other for 2-3 weeks >> 1 campaign, 1 adgroup, 2 ad copies >> after few weeks change 1 of the ad copies (not the url) and cloak it

2. REAL ip address + vmware + new website + use it for 1 month + spend money on the account in very legit way... after a month start promoting affilaite offers


Cloaking

There are 2 ways to cloak that i learnt:

1. Redirect - bot goes to a different website and user goes to the money site (used widely, have seen a live cloaking example and few videos) haven't tried it yet as I've my real account and haven't created any fake accounts

2. iFrame - heard that it is the best way (I don't know how to use it)


Residentail proxies

Learnt that you can use residential proxies to create accounts, as the chances of suspension is less. Again I don't know much about it as I just understand the difference between data centre proxies and residentails proxies.


Few more things that I learnt

1. Most of the affiliates from developing countries are using tricks to game the system/Google to get threshold of $350. In my understanding that isn't exactly affiliate marketing, that is called scamming. I'm okay till cloaking as I'm still using my real money.

2. If you pick up an offer from Cpaprosperity in nutra and you search it on Google, you will find other advertisers are cloaking and from my experience they are using coupon accounts (I can find the similarity in their ad copy)

3. It is difficult to compete against them, beacuse they can bid whatever they want as they don't have to pay a dime to advertise.

4. There are two ways to compete against threshold accounts

a. You promote private offers, which are not there on the networks
b. You sign an agreement for an offer with the network that you have already tested to exclusively promote the product and meet their sales demand

5. Facebook, Native, Pop, Mobile are even platform, you can't create threshold account on these traffic sources - that's what I know till now.

6. Blackhatworld has lot of information, you can also be part of various buy and sell group on skype to buy rdps, adwords and facebook accounts.

7. There is a groupbysite for affiliate tools as well

8. Because of such issues most of the affiliates have moved to facebook and native.

9. There are vey few affiliates which helps, nobody wants to reveal their way of doing things. Which is alright, so it becomes really difficult for a newbie like me to understand how everything works.

10. You can send traffic from your lander to the checkout page (ex id) if you are doing atleast 3 digit sales a day. Traffice >> your lander >> checkout page

11. AM isn't that easy as it sounds. But I'm going to make it big

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Here is where I'm stuck

1. I don't know to promote nutra offers through Google display network - I created a weight loss campaign but the ads got disapproved

2. Tools to find landers and banners (adbeat, poweradspy) - Please suggest

I need few examples of news and editorial landing pages for diet, skin, muscle and male enhancement

3. I have to test how to create and farm adwords account - will try the above methods and will update it in this thread


I'm still a noob and haven't got any of my accounts suspended, as I'm promoting offers through landers following the guidelines of Google. And I haven't made profit.

I'm still developing my understanding with the system (AdWords - I believe it's the most difficult traffic source).

Will update my learning soon.

Very respectfully
Anupam




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Edited
was able to find a landing page resource while googling.

http://ofads.life/download-free-landing-pages/

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First of all I'd like to point out a mistake I made in my last post. I wrote:

"Search traffic has risen a lot over the years."

It should have read:

"Search traffic PRICES have risen a lot over the years." Original post edited. You probably figured it out anyway but I wanted to make sure.

You can check both.

But a good product in a more competitive or "saturated" niche can make very good money. Weightloss and male enhancement are two very good examples.

For those big ever-green niches, all you need to do is get a very small slice of the pie to be making good money. So finding a trending niche isn't a must.


Depends on which niche you're trying to find landers on.

For stuff like male enhacement and weight loss and skincare (basically nutra stuff), check out Adplexity Native and Paypertrail:

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ative-spy-tool <--- get your STM discount here

https://paypertrail.com/

Both of your angles are worth testing. Also, I've had a lot of success in the past with product comparison charts. Basically it ranks products based on different criteria (effectiveness, price, etc. etc.) and gives each product a star-rating. In the chart are links to more-detailed reviews of each product, on separate pages.

It's been a few years though since I last did this. Don't know how well this type of landers are working now. Worth a test though!


Thank you for sharing that very valuable information, that you've had to spent money to find out. This is inline with what I know about running blackhat on Adwords as well.

I'm NOT going to pass judgement on whether running blackhat is ethical, because I've done blackhat as well. But I do have some practical advice:

The entire advertising industry is headed towards whitehat. Regulations everywhere are becoming stricter (on various traffic sources like FB Adwords etc., mobile carrier regulations, even government regulations). Offer/product owners, affiliate networks and traffic networks are becoming more skilled at detecting blackhat tactics. Some people Thrive on playing cat-and-mouse games, having to figure out new ways to beat the system all the time, but if you don't have the heart for that, I would suggest going whitehat. Short-term speaking it may not be as profitable as going blackhat, but in the end you'll be in the business long after all the blackhatters get driven out.

But if you want to try blackhat, don't let me dissuade you. I've never done blackhat on adwords specifically so won't have a lot of advice (you know more than I do; and also, as a moderator I'm not at liberty to talk about blackhat too much as this is not a blackhat forum), but will try to help with other aspects of your campaign.


You can find some providers of residential proxies on this forum. I don't know if they're legit or not though.

I've heard a lot of good things about luminati. It's not cheap, but lots of black hatters use them.


I respect that. Very much.

I've had someone hit me up, who allegedly had a method for getting accounts to high thresholds (4-5 figures), then spending and not pay. Their justification was "google can afford to lose that money". I prefer to be able to sleep at night and feel good about myself. So I told him thanks but no thanks.


True story. You have superb research skills (coupled with testing skills).


Great tip! I know you're talking about CB products, but basically you can make requests to any offer owner to provide you with a custom funnel or make changes to the current one - and with enough traffic and sales (or promise of) they will usually oblige.


You're an action taker, and not easily deterred. Instead of shying away from all the potential issues, you dived right in and did your research and testing to find ways around them.

This attitude will practically guarantee that you'll succeed one way or another!


The 2 sites I've shared above should more than have you covered for landers (assuming you're running nutra).

As for farming etc., I hope you'll get some tips from other members.


Yet another great share thanks!




Amy

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