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Newbie Adult Dating - Goal is to get GREEN (10)

03-23-2018 11:19 AM #1 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Hello,

first of all, let's take a look at your stats. Running adult dating at NEGATIVE 60-80% day by day is pointless and nonsense. I's not gonna improve itself magically, you need to revamp the funnel.

With that bad results, there is a problem somewhere, poor banners, poor LPs, poor offer or you're bidding too high. You were paying 11 cents per click, in case that numbers is accurate, which isn't that bad for more developed GEOs but for tier 2 europe it sounds like to much, especially for a footer ... what GEO is it? Something like eastern europe, some post soviet country or ... ?

Your LP CTRs on some days are quite low too, is it desktop or mobile traffic?

I would need more details to give you better advice ... bids, GEO, spots (site), cap ...

How many LPs have you tested in total and where did you get them?

You have an offer that does convert somehow, but the results are quite poor so we need to identify the problem

03-24-2018 04:42 AM #2 daydreamer (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
With that bad results, there is a problem somewhere, poor banners, poor LPs, poor offer or you're bidding too high. You were paying 11 cents per click, in case that numbers is accurate, which isn't that bad for more developed GEOs but for tier 2 europe it sounds like to much, especially for a footer ... what GEO is it? Something like eastern europe, some post soviet country or ... ?
Hi matuloo!
It is actually around 9 cents, it started out around that amount so the stats I provided has the cost a little higher than what it actually was.

It is a Western-Central European country, so definitely not post soviet. Does that mean I am paying too much? On TJ, I am ranked at least top 3 on the Bids.

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
Your LP CTRs on some days are quite low too, is it desktop or mobile traffic?

I would need more details to give you better advice ... bids, GEO, spots (site), cap ...
This is mobile traffic. The Footer sites and bids I am running on are PornHub ($.120), Redtube ($.222) and YouPorn ($.082).

I also have a schedule set where 7 hours are blocked so that the campaign isn't running.

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
How many LPs have you tested in total and where did you get them?

You have an offer that does convert somehow, but the results are quite poor so we need to identify the problem
I have tested about 5 LPs only from Adplexity. Then I took the top one and tweaked it with different pictures. I was looking for more LPs but I seem to be having a hard time finding some that I can rip. A lot of the banners on there seem to have LPs that are direct to the offers. Am I looking at the wrong place?

Thanks again for your help! I really want to fix this problem and start seeing green!

03-24-2018 07:58 PM #3 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

It is a Western-Central European country, so definitely not post soviet. Does that mean I am paying too much?
No idea until you name the GEO .. you're losing right, so why the secrets, nobody is gonna rip the campaign from you at this point

This is mobile traffic. The Footer sites and bids I am running on are PornHub ($.120), Redtube ($.222) and YouPorn ($.082).
Since it's mobile, lower CTRs are to be expected. How high in the chain are you with these bids? It's a good idea to be around the 3-5th spot when starting out on TJ.

I have tested about 5 LPs only from Adplexity.
You might need to test more, 5 is "nothing", I had to test dozens until I found my first good ones.Since your ROI is pretty bad, you need to find better combinations ... or maybe test different offers too. How many offers have you tested so far actually?

03-24-2018 09:05 PM #4 daydreamer (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
No idea until you name the GEO .. you're losing right, so why the secrets, nobody is gonna rip the campaign from you at this point
lol, its Switzerland

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
Since it's mobile, lower CTRs are to be expected. How high in the chain are you with these bids? It's a good idea to be around the 3-5th spot when starting out on TJ.
Currently:
Pornhub at 1st spot with 46%
YP at 1st with 88%
RedTube at 1st with 43%

if I drop to 3-5th spots, wouldn't I be only getting around 5-10% of the traffic? then wouldn't all of the visits, clicks and conversions go down as well?

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
You might need to test more, 5 is "nothing", I had to test dozens until I found my first good ones.Since your ROI is pretty bad, you need to find better combinations ... or maybe test different offers too. How many offers have you tested so far actually?
I will look for more landers to test but how would I know its the LPs i am having issues with or if it is the banner? what if i do have a good LP but my banners just suck? or vice versa? or the offer sucks too? is there a way to pin point?

I have tested about 10 different offers, the number would be almost double if I count the different creative links that each offer has. There was one that was getting more conversions than the others but that was the one that the Network stopped a few days ago.

Do you think TJ is the best place for me to test this GEO's? or other traffic networks?

I currently have the daily budget set at $100 but usually only half of it gets spent.

Sorry for the tons of questions i have, very appreciate your help!

03-25-2018 06:55 PM #5 jabong82 (Member)

Yes if you bid lower you will get less traffic/clicks/conversions etc.

As to your question about how do you know if your banner/LP sucks etc, well you don't. Just rip a proven LP and banners from somewhere like Adplexity and start testing offers.

Once you find the best offer then from there you can try to tweak your LPs/Banners to get profitable.

As far as TJ, that is a good network to start on.

Especially if you're in a small geo like CH, you'll need to stick to the bigger sites (ie Pornhub) to get any traffic.

03-25-2018 07:36 PM #6 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Currently:
Pornhub at 1st spot with 46%
YP at 1st with 88%
RedTube at 1st with 43%

if I drop to 3-5th spots, wouldn't I be only getting around 5-10% of the traffic? then wouldn't all of the visits, clicks and conversions go down as well?
Well, 1st spots are for campaigns that work, so to speak ... you need to be the highest bidder and be able to handle the way larger exposure ... so faster banner burnout, faster LP saturation, faster offer saturation ... etc. You should take the first spot, when the funnel justifies it, do not test there, unless you need to test something really quick.

I will look for more landers to test but how would I know its the LPs i am having issues with or if it is the banner? what if i do have a good LP but my banners just suck? or vice versa? or the offer sucks too? is there a way to pin point?
As jabong82 pointed out already, you won't know, until you test it

You need to test one thing at a time, so if you change banner, don't change landers or offers too ... otherwise it will get mixed and you won't be able to figure out what actually caused the following changes.

Do you think TJ is the best place for me to test this GEO's? or other traffic networks?
TJ is one of the best places to start with in adult for sure.

I currently have the daily budget set at $100 but usually only half of it gets spent.
$100 is more than enough for a small GEO such as CH.

Sorry for the tons of questions i have, very appreciate your help!
Your questions are welcome, keep em coming

03-25-2018 10:11 PM #7 daydreamer (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by jabong82 View Post

As to your question about how do you know if your banner/LP sucks etc, well you don't. Just rip a proven LP and banners from somewhere like Adplexity and start testing offers.

Once you find the best offer then from there you can try to tweak your LPs/Banners to get profitable.
I think finding a proven LP and banner from Adplexity is where I am having a tough time at as I am not sure which ones are proven. I filtered banners by Country CH, within last two weeks, and sort by most traffic received. I ran a few from top of that search but I havent gotten much luck. Is there a better way I should be searching?

03-25-2018 10:18 PM #8 daydreamer (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
Well, 1st spots are for campaigns that work, so to speak ... you need to be the highest bidder and be able to handle the way larger exposure ... so faster banner burnout, faster LP saturation, faster offer saturation ... etc. You should take the first spot, when the funnel justifies it, do not test there, unless you need to test something really quick.
What is a good indicator of when the funnel justifies top spots? When I find a banner/LP combo that is -30%, -10% , or hitting green?

Also, would it be possible where one banner/LP combo might work with TJ but might not work with other networks like Exoclick or Juicyads?

03-25-2018 11:09 PM #9 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

What is a good indicator of when the funnel justifies top spots? When I find a banner/LP combo that is -30%, -10% , or hitting green?
Yup, only push for the top bids when you are close to profit or profiting already.

Also, would it be possible where one banner/LP combo might work with TJ but might not work with other networks like Exoclick or Juicyads?
That is quite common too, unfortunately. Many funnels work across the board, but many don't. It all comes down to particular placements/sites ...

03-26-2018 05:57 AM #10 jabong82 (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by daydreamer View Post
I think finding a proven LP and banner from Adplexity is where I am having a tough time at as I am not sure which ones are proven. I filtered banners by Country CH, within last two weeks, and sort by most traffic received. I ran a few from top of that search but I havent gotten much luck. Is there a better way I should be searching?
Just find a lander that's been running for a while (ie at least 10-14 days). That doesn't mean this is "the best" lander, and often it is not, especially when you factor in your traffic source/offer is likely different etc.

However you gotta start somewhere, and a lander that's been running for a while is at least somewhat decent as no one would run a terrible lander for weeks on end (well they shouldn't anyway lol).

Just use that lander as a benchmark and try to find a traffic source and offer that works somewhat decent with it. Then from there you can make your tweaks etc.

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