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03-18-2018 10:05 PM #1 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

No need to dive deeper into this, if you can only dedicate $1000 to AM, you don't really stand a chance in native, especially with a higher payout offer.

Not sure what your AM experience level is like, but in case you're just starting out, it might really be a good idea to start with pops instead.

03-19-2018 01:33 PM #2 khzidan (AMC Alumnus)

hey @fede117,

I am glad to see people are actually taking action in Native. I love Native and I am trying to cracking it...

I believe you should listen to @Matuloo, $1K in Native is not a great budget. Also, have set up your daily budget $100 while your monthly budget is $1K may end up in a disaster.

Here are my very humble note and I am considering you are a newbie "Sorry"

1 - Native does need a bigger budget, I would say at least $3-5K that you can spare to buy data without hurting your financial situation.
2 - Start with Tier 2 or 3 countries might be a lot better idea because they are cheaper so that you can buy more data and learn with less money. Eastern Europe and Asia can be good choices.
3 - Choose 1 Traffic Source rather than DSP. I do not think you will learn a lot from DSP as it works with many Traffic Sources and on CPM basis (which I believe need a little bit of eperience and more testing to get it right), howeverm in your case, I see you have specified MGID through DSP. Therefore, I gotta ask, is there a reason why you do not wanna go direct with MGID? You will get an AM once you desposit $500 in MGID.
4 - Consider Pops or banners if you cannot increase your budget.
5 - I would strongly recommend hosting the LP, you are missing out one of the most vital data which is the LP CTR. Voluum does not record it when you direct link.

I hope that helped.

Good luck,
Zidan

03-22-2018 02:33 PM #3 fede117 (Member)

thank you guys for your answers!

Yeah the funny thing is that I'm very familiar with pops, but I always dedicated very little money to it (250$ at a time) and, just like it's happening now, I was burning out without too much ROI.

So I decided to get more budget (which for me was 1 to 2k ) and go into native, but I really did put things into the wrong perspective now that you talk about 5k minimum budget for native.

This makes sense because native traffic is more expensive, so you need a bigger investment of budget to get to statistical significant numbers and optimize the STM way.

Thank you so much for the wise words I'll go commando into pops now! And I'll leverage as much as I can python automation etc etc.

With 1k-2k budget should I still start with tier 2 and 3 countries? I love how Tier2&3 traffic is cheap but I don't usually have mastery of their language, so that stops me from making custom landing pages (or make variations of the ripped ones).

Maybe its a stupid question, but would going into tier1 (english and/or italian) pops kill me too much in terms of competition or will I have a bigger chance to earn since I speak the language and can make tons of variations without spending translation money? (i know you might have wrote a lot already about the whole tier 1 vs 2/3 debate in AM, but Im just wondering if you have any quick thoughts on your head about that )

Thnx again!

03-23-2018 04:46 AM #4 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Thank you so much for the wise words I'll go commando into pops now! And I'll leverage as much as I can python automation etc etc.
Speaking of automation - there are tools that already exist, like theoptimizer and optifyme - owners of both tools are active members of this forum. May save you time in having to program something yourself.


With 1k-2k budget should I still start with tier 2 and 3 countries? I love how Tier2&3 traffic is cheap but I don't usually have mastery of their language, so that stops me from making custom landing pages (or make variations of the ripped ones).
AFAIK for native, for lower-tier geos it's fine to use ripped landers for initial testing. Once you find some promising landers and offer, you can get variations made for cheap on Fiverr. Pick someone that has a high star-rating and has done many gigs and you can't go far wrong.

As for whether or not your budget would be enough for tier 2/3 - I don't have enough experience in native to answer that question. Will wait for someone else to weigh in.


Maybe its a stupid question, but would going into tier1 (english and/or italian) pops kill me too much in terms of competition or will I have a bigger chance to earn since I speak the language and can make tons of variations without spending translation money? (i know you might have wrote a lot already about the whole tier 1 vs 2/3 debate in AM, but Im just wondering if you have any quick thoughts on your head about that )
English geos are saturated - too many people speak the language.

Italian though not everyone can speak, so you would definitely have an advantage there! I would try that.

But really, don't let other languages turn you off of testing other geos! For pop, there's typically not a lot of text on landers (unlike advertorials for native for example). You can just rip them in the respective language and use them, or modify them using google translate. Google translate has gotten quite good over the years, especially if you rewrite the sentences into short ones first, and remove any figurative speech that can potentially mess with translations.

And as mentioned above, Fiverr is the way to go if you want to get translations for cheap. Wait times may be long though.




Amy

03-27-2018 08:54 PM #5 fede117 (Member)

Speaking of automation - there are tools that already exist, like theoptimizer and optifyme - owners of both tools are active members of this forum. May save you time in having to program something yourself.
Yes, I agree, but aren't these tools expensive tho? I already pay 100 usd a month for a tracker + 199 usd a month for adplexity.

If I pay another 100 usd a month for the optimizer I end up with only 600 euros in my pocket out of my total 1k budget... only to have tools and I haven't made any profit yet... Won't it be better to write my own scripts for free which autobid or autoblock and spend these 100 usd on traffic? (Caurmen had excellent tutorials in 6wamc of last year on automation)

AFAIK for native, for lower-tier geos it's fine to use ripped landers for initial testing. Once you find some promising landers and offer, you can get variations made for cheap on Fiverr. Pick someone that has a high star-rating and has done many gigs and you can't go far wrong.

As for whether or not your budget would be enough for tier 2/3 - I don't have enough experience in native to answer that question. Will wait for someone else to weigh in.
oh nono I meant pops not native, I will completely forget native until I have a 5k budget like matuloo and khzidan pointed out.

1 to 2k maximum to get some profit in pops should be good, just unsure on geos :s, but for sure I will do italy because as you said I speak the language and have a good advantage for that compared to english.

03-28-2018 12:18 AM #6 vortex (Senior Moderator)

If I pay another 100 usd a month for the optimizer I end up with only 600 euros in my pocket out of my total 1k budget... only to have tools and I haven't made any profit yet... Won't it be better to write my own scripts for free which autobid or autoblock and spend these 100 usd on traffic? (Caurmen had excellent tutorials in 6wamc of last year on automation)
I thought you were running native - usually people need to have a biggish budget for that, so I was under the assumption that the extra expense would just be a drop in the bucket so to speak. If you have the skill to hammer out your own automation scripts of course don't let me or anyone else stop you!


1 to 2k maximum to get some profit in pops should be good, just unsure on geos :s, but for sure I will do italy because as you said I speak the language and have a good advantage for that compared to english.
Ah for pop! IT traffic isn't the cheapest, but if I were you I would test that for sure since you speak the language - you can write different variations of lander text etc. and test all sorts of angles without having to spend time and money on translations.

Other than that, you can test any developing countries (i.e. tier 3/4 geos) that have well-performing offers. Ask your AMs for recommendations. You can optimize a camp with less money when you're running low-payout offers, which is perfect for newbies that need practice.

I'm not sure 1-2k would be enough to get to consistent profits, but we shall see! Ideally though, it would be better to get some money coming in so you're not eating into a finite reserve. Psychologically it's much less stressful. I talked a bit about that in this post:

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post335357

But any way you decide to do this, we'll do our best to help you succeed.



Amy

03-31-2018 10:09 PM #7 fede117 (Member)

thank you so much for your answer!

04-04-2018 03:48 AM #8 thedudeabides (Moderator)

Dating can work well on native, and with low payouts ($4-8 typically), it's more budget friendly. That's about the only offer I can see you approaching break-even or profit with a $1k budget. Not sure about traffic quality for MGID though.

Regardless with a limited budget, you really have to do your due diligence in selecting a good offer, and not wasting budget testing unknown ones. If multiple AMs are listing the same offer as their top performer for a given vertical, and/or you see others running it consistently on spy tools, then you know it's a good pick.

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