Setup Bot Trap + Voluum. Help. (4)
This is not an answer post, it's a struggle post and hopefully you'll find answers in the comment section.
How does everyone seem to have figured this bot detection thing out? I've spent DAYS trying to figure how to implement this basic javascript bot detector into
Top posts I've read regarding the setup of Bot Detection.
Post by Caurman: STEP BY STEP: Running A Bot Test On Any Campaign
Post by Charles Ngo: How To Detect BOT Traffic
Post by Matuloo: How To Detect Fake Hits and What to do About It!
Following Test Attempts.
Charles Ngo Bot Detection Recipe #3 Redirect The Bots.
The idea is to create 1 Bot Trap landing page with the JavaScript code installed and use /click/1 for link (easy enough). Then setup your actual lander as offer 1 and replace CTA link with /click/2. Have Offer placed as offer #2.
Running this test showed that I can successfully Direct User through Bot Trap Lander and land on REAL lander then successfully be able to click to Offer.
What's the problem?
First problem: How do you measure REAL landing page to Offer page stats when REAL lander is placed as Offer 1?
Second problem: It's ONLY functional if I am running 1 Lander with 1 Offer (not statistically speaking, just the concept of Redirecting). Realistically speaking; I'll be testing Multiple Landers with Multiple Offers. So this concept doesn't seem to work.
Charles seems to have figured this out easily, so if you're reading this Mr. Ngo, Please help clarify your steps in #3 Redirect The Bots.
Attempt #2.
I ran this test because to be realistic, we wouldn't be running just 1 lander with 1 offer and hope it's a winner. ABT (Always Be Testing) comes to mind, so it just makes sense to me (a newbie) to add in a bot detector into my multi structured campaign tests.
If Attempt #1 confused you, this will spin your head. Inside Voluum I created a Flow with 9 paths (super annoying and tedious and over complicated). Each path consisting of 1 Lander (Bot Trap) with 2 offer (Offer 1 = REAL lander, Offer 2 = Offer). Oddly the redirect system actually worked, but the problem is the numbers are not making sense. At this point, I cannot tell which Lander is the most successful, or even worse, which Offer is the most successful and from what Lander. Nonsense gibberish!
Some Questions come to Mind.
- How in the world did Charles Ngo make it work? Could someone explain it to me?
- I keep reading post-after-post that it's "really easy" to setup and use, what am I missing? why does it seem so complicated that I've dedicated days to this?
- If someone will suggest to ONLY direct link at first then to cut off placements, how is that useful when there are thousands of placements? Wouldn't it make sense to run Bot Trap along with campaign(s) to continuously monitor and remove worst or worst placements?
- Could someone share their insights as to how they made it work using Voluum? Perhaps I need to adjust my perspective on how Bot Detection is used.
- If you're about to tell me that this bot detection is not 100% and it only works on dumb bots, trust me, I am well aware of that. My #1 problem is, how is it that I cannot figure this out when everyone running mobile seems to have it all figured out as easy as 1, 2, 3?
If you're planning to suggest that I switch from Voluum to another tracker, forget it. Voluum is outstanding and it seems some of the top guys running mobile use Voluum. So I am sure someone has the answer.
Looking forward to your rich replies,
Aras
Hey birdman (Oscar-winning movie!!),
I am gonna do my best to try helping you.
Please let me know what Traffic Source are you using? Native, PPV...etc?
I personally do not like to have a lander and offer in the same link, it messes up the whole data! however, you can simply ask your account manager for a solution and they always do!
I hope I am saying this right! But do you know how to set up landers in
I will be waiting for your reply and let's discuss!
Cheers,
Hey Khzidan,
Yes the Oscar... That's the reason I quit Hollywood to focus on my next challenge, Affiliate Marketing 
If you're referring to
As mentioned above in the beginning of my post (or just read the quote below here).The idea is to create 1 Bot Trap landing page with the JavaScript code installed and use /click/1 for link (easy enough). Then setup your actual lander as offer 1 and replace CTA link with /click/2. Have Offer placed as offer #2.
My question still stands; how in the world do all the major Mobile Pop Affiliate's Trap Bots using Voluum?
Thanks,
Aras
Dude... that sounds like a Frankenstein monster of a tracking setup. Just going to cause more frustration than its worth.
The way you'd have to calculate LP(offer) to offer CTR is to manually compare stats from the two and work it out. You don't want to be doing that, and as you mentioned things are going to fall apart once you try to split test landers and offers.
I'd suggest either one of two things
1. Instead of testing for a positive (is a bot) instead try testing for a negative (is not a bot) on the landing page itself. Won't be as effective, but at least it's easy to setup and doesn't screw with your ability to check your stats: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...live-campaigns
You could also try the "honeypot" method of a placing an invisible link like Charles suggests.
2. Shell out money for a cloaker that filters bots. I don't have any firsthand suggestions there unfortunately, in the process of testing one out. If you're serious about filtering bots, basic scripts like these aren't gonna cut it anyway.
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