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New in adult affiliate (12)

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Hello, Alex here Nice to meet you.

My experience till now:

before 4 months started my journey in casual dating offers, found really good source for DACH traffic, took Voluum and start sending traffic to iMonetizeIt (single offers and smartlink) and LosPollos (smartlink). Sometimes was green, sometimes red, but mostly red. I can buy this traffic only CPC and the prices are high - around 0.06 for DE Desktop 300x250 and around 0.05 for wifi mobile, Tablet - 0.03-4. Prices for AT are even high. After 3 months doing these i realize its hard to work with two unknowns - i don't know the right key (banner) and the lock (LP) to unlock the door (positive roi).
Ok - change the tactics. Because i was mad on ImonetizeIt (they stopped my green mobile offer which i optimized around 2 months without warning) i started work with Advidi - this time only for DE desktop and tablet dating offer. Still optimizing this offer - but at Sunday it was with around 30 % positive ROI, but after that goes red again. But with these prices for click is pretty hard to optimize SOI offer. This my experience till now
Now my questions:

1. About LP - should i use prelanders or not? Till now Im sending traffic direct to the offers. Take a look on several prelanders in AdPlexity - there is a lot of presale pages which repeat the questions from the lander. I think when the user is horny and warm-up from good banner, there is no need from prelander - the chain is too long: porn site - banner - prelander - lander. This is my opinion of course and maybe its wrong And more thought - when you have the prelander - only really interested user goes to the offer and maybe he will pay for "dating" but if you not work on rev-share this is not your goal, this is the goal of the offer's owner or/and the affiliate network, because he will pays you less for really good leads. Again maybe im wrong.
2. its really difficult with banners - i steal some from Adplexity but a lot of them are used from long, long time plus the new Google rules about fake and misleading ads. Im trying to make myself but the results are horrible Also trying to buy them but the lowest price i found is around 5 $ / banner. Here goes the second question: how many banners is good to test in one campaign (for one offer you can make several campaigns)
3. Should i change the GEO and try not so competive like DE? But if i do it what traffic source to use? I know the big four is ExoClick, TrafficStars (have account there but not test it seriously) TrafficJunky and TrafficFactory (in Adpexity i can see there is no so much competition there maybe because of their banner formats). Also know TrafficHaus has good traffic but i think they just reselling TJ's traffic.
4. How i should buy CPM or CPC? I tried buy CPM from trafficstars but i cant track the impression in Voluum. Obviously uf you have good banner and good ctr is cheaper to buy CPM, but after the new google rules i think this will be change and cpm will die.

Thank you all about your attention!

P.S. sorry for my English - its not native.

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I've been almost always using prelanding pages. Split-testing almost always shows better CR, all else equal. DOn't hesitate to ask your support for the best converting ones if your network provides a good choice of them. Or use bootstrap to quickly construct a few of your own. Either way, you gotta be constantly in touch with your manager - he/she may provide some localized text, some imagery, etc.

It's not a questions of whether they are used or not. Most of the times these banners are clicked on by different people (at least it is so with product offers I'm promoting on COD scheme) and same banners may convert well enough for over a YEAR. I suggest you spy for a good one or two (maybe occupying a good spot for a long time, it means it's profitable enough), modify them to your liking and split-test. I wouldn't pay for such things.

Regarding GEOs - again - talk to your manager. These guys are just as interested in the most effective info as you are. Can't go wrong here. At the very least keep that info in mind.

I buy both CPC and CPM, though CPC is working a bit better for me. The best source is, without a shadow of a doubt, FB.

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You can buy adult email clicks on Exo. Good traffic.

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Hmm.. where do you see the option to buy that ?
Its not in adformat setting I guess ? Its some specific zones ?

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Hello, let me give you some answers and tips

Definitely YES, a good LP will ALWAYS convert better than a directlink. This is based on my years of experience and a TON of adult clicks.

Wrong! You need to deliver the best possible lead quality in order to get higher payouts. The advertisers will only pay what they can earn from the leads themselves, minus their margin. The conversion flow is irrelevant, they are in the biz to make money. The more they can make from the leads you send, the higher payout per lead they will give you.

Spy tools SHOULD be treated as a source of inspiration, not a one stop shop for creatives. The same banner that you took from adplexity, has been taken by dozens of other affiliates already. Banner in adult burn out fast, you need to tweak the ones you rip from spytool. Often, all it takes is replacing the image or changing a word or two. This is basic design skill, you will learn it quickly.

I always prefer to have multiple banners running in any campaign, at least 2-3. When testing, I start with 5-10 banners and add new ones as needed.

Not sure how much negative you are. DE is a rather hard GEO to master, but the volume can be rewarding. In case you're not too much in the red, I would suggest to give it some more time and test running with LPs.

The sources you mentioned are all solid, exoclick isn't the best when it comes to dating though, so I'd focus on the other ones.

CPM is a better model, it's easier to test creatives with CPM bidding. Again, traffic networks want to make as much money as possible, they make pretty much the same on both CPM and CPC simply because that's the way the algo works. They have no reason to change to CPC because of the regulations. Even trafficfactory is introducing the CPM model now.

Ask away if you have more questions.

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Thanks for all the replies!
I find some good banners and i have some little positive profit, but when i stay on low bids. When i go to high bids (CPC) to take more traffic, im already on red
From my good 300x250 started camp with 250x250 format and still gather data. How i can reach my goal from 30 $ / day when staying on low bid there is no big volumes on traffic and when go to big volumes, im going with negative roi I have the feeling im in a magic circle and cant break it

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You have two options, try to improve the funnel, so you can afford the higher bids.

Or, try to get more traffic at the low bid : more campaigns, even when targeting the same spots... higher daily cap ... higher budget per day ... more money on the account ... more sources, more spots ... more GEOs ... There is a lot you can do, I'm 100% sure you're not buying all the traffic that is available at the low bid

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Hi Alex,

First of all, welcome! We hope you have a successful (and profitable) journey in adult affiliate marketing.
Since you already have an account registered with us, one of our account managers will contact you to see if they can help you test our traffic a bit more seriously
Feel free to contact us here on STM too, if you need a hand.

Best of luck!

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I beleive I already had account manager - her name is Slavina and she is very kind person, her support is exellent

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I can't target the spot - only on - screen or on-video spot, but usually on-video have big CTR but low CVR. My other options are desktop, mobile or tablet and the banner size and that's it - it's blind network. I can see the position of the banner - 1,2,7 ...30 etc. But I don't know on which site is this position... Usually the high bid takes 1st or 2nd position and good conversions but I have seen conversions with much lower positions

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You can target by domain, check the marketplace at trafficstars ... there is an option to block or target particular domains and the banner size will help you specify this further.

In-video format is always a high CTR spot, because of unintentional clicks, hence the lower CVR.

If you target multiple sites in one campaign, it's not possible to know where you stand for each, that's why it's a good idea to target at least the biggest sites in separate campaigns.

The first few "bidding" spots usually send the best traffic, that's true, but you don't have to push for #1 ... quality is usually solid up to #5.

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I don't speak about Traffic Star - I know they have Ron and premium traffic and I can select domains. They also have WiFi or carrier targeting, OS etc.
I'm speaking for the source from my first post

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