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Turkey: Simple offers + Simple LP + Popular sources = $150k rev. (18)


11-22-2017 07:47 PM #1 mrbraun (Moderator)
Turkey: Simple offers + Simple LP + Popular sources = $150k rev.

Hey, guys!

I aways receive messages like:
"It's absolutely impossible to get a good profit with public offers"
"Can you please tell me where can I find private offers and sources?"
"You can't get a passive profit!"
"For a stable ROI I have to cloak"

The answer: You don't need any private sources/offers to achieve a good profit.

Today I want to show you my results with Turkey. It's a very good GEO for POP traffic:



So I had some experience with TR before, but one day I got an offer and my AM told me: "Bro, it's the best geo atm, you should definitely try!!!"
Ok, NP! I've run some campaigns and after several months I got this result:


How I run these offers:
1. First of all you need LPs. I recommend to use at least 3 for test. If you have a good Anti-Virus LP from other GEO, you can translate it and use. For AV I use the same LP for each country.
Go to https://adplexity.com and let's see the most popular ones:

As you can see, people use the same LPs. All green - we can try. Red - I don't recommend.
DO NOT USE CARRIER LOGOS!

Okay, let's use these LPs.

2. Sources. I always do my 1st test in these sources:


If my test is profitable (ROI >20%) I can run also:


If we talk about BID, it really depends on current source:
Low bid: Popads, Popcash, Propeller, Clickadu.
High bid: Hilltop, Adsterra, Exoclick, Plugrush.
Medium: ZeroPark, WWWP.

And what else? Nothing!

Of course, I did and optimization: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...on-pop-traffic

And it's some absolutely passive campaigns which gave me about 95% ROI.

  1. Run 3G and WIFI separately. It can be a really huge difference in CR and Price between them.
  2. Try low/medium/high bid. There are no ideal bid for every sources.
  3. Don't run carrier's logos! It's strictly prohibited.
  4. If you see a lot of traffic with not so cool ROI, make your bid a bit less. In 90% cases you will get the same amount of traffic, but with higher ROI
  5. If you have a very good ROI, but not much traffic, you can make your bid higher or create another double-campaign (or 2... or 30 ). Try both of variants.
  6. Try to optimize your LP even if it's profitable. Try to change your text/images/buttons. For me at the moment alert after clicking the button works very cool!
  7. If some sources don't approve your LP, create a white one. Write them what to change and make a clean LP. Don't cloak them. It's better to build trusted relationship.
  8. If you see the difference between carriers in ROI, create separated campaigns for each carriers.
  9. Monetize your back/exit traffic! Show them a Sweep if you're running AV.
  10. Pass {sourceid} to your affiliate network. Each source has its own quality, and your payout for some of them can be higher.



Why did I write this post? To show you that popular offers/sources/LPs really work! Don't search some "gold" ones. Take what you have and start work

Goof luck!


11-22-2017 08:28 PM #2 eurosen (AMC Alumnus)

Great post!

One question.. How do you get these landers approved by sources like Popads and Propeller?

I can only get these type of landers approved by Zeropark, all the others reject them straight away.


11-22-2017 08:31 PM #3 mrbraun (Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by eurosen View Post
Great post!

One question.. How do you get these landers approved by sources like Popads and Propeller?

I can only get these type of landers approved by Zeropark, all the others reject them straight away.
Popads allows aggressive LPs. If we talk about Propeller you can write them what to change and create a LP with their rules to be approved. Clean LPs also work.


11-23-2017 05:21 AM #4 fjk87 (Veteran Member)

Pretty spot on how easy it can be to reach quick profits.

Same time, I feel it might be worth to mention that a lot of the LPs you're showing should only be ran with a pretty solid cloaking setup. Unless done so, you're literally giving the network and the advertiser a smooth reason to charge you back by using copyrighted stuff in your LP, and especially the Google logo is pretty 'hot' to use.


11-23-2017 09:13 AM #5 syabuzar (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by fjk87 View Post
Pretty spot on how easy it can be to reach quick profits.

Same time, I feel it might be worth to mention that a lot of the LPs you're showing should only be ran with a pretty solid cloaking setup. Unless done so, you're literally giving the network and the advertiser a smooth reason to charge you back by using copyrighted stuff in your LP, and especially the Google logo is pretty 'hot' to use.
Yes, I also think same.... Such aggressive LP cant be approved without a solid cloaking.


11-23-2017 10:41 AM #6 mrbraun (Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by fjk87 View Post
Pretty spot on how easy it can be to reach quick profits.

Same time, I feel it might be worth to mention that a lot of the LPs you're showing should only be ran with a pretty solid cloaking setup. Unless done so, you're literally giving the network and the advertiser a smooth reason to charge you back by using copyrighted stuff in your LP, and especially the Google logo is pretty 'hot' to use.
This advertiser allows me to use this type of LPs. And not only me. The same with sources. Only for Exo/Propeller/Zero you should create a white LP. So you don't need to cloak.


11-23-2017 02:22 PM #7 bigboyplaya (Member)

The problem I always face is volume. How do you run higher payout offers ( 8$ for example) and split test something (more offers, lps) with a low bid on a geo with average inventory?
Turkey has a giant inventory everywhere, but some geos with a smaller inventory just have like sub 10k visits when you bid small, it would take multiple days to get some meaningful data.
Also man, do you target adult and mainstream separately for sources like popads/popcash assuming offer allows adult?


11-23-2017 09:18 PM #8 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by mrbraun View Post
This advertiser allows me to use this type of LPs. And not only me. The same with sources. Only for Exo/Propeller/Zero you should create a white LP. So you don't need to cloak.
Another fantastic guide by mrbraun! Many thanks for your contributions!

When I was running antivirus, I always just asked AMs for offers that allowed aggressive landers. That way I wouldn't need to cloak, and I didn't risk my commissions.

As for traffic sources - if you're not wanting to cloak, then it would be about testing how aggressive you can make your landers without breaking the traffic source's TOS. As mrbraun has shown, it's very possible to do big numbers without cloaking, just by being aggressive within the confines of what the traffic source will allow.



Amy


11-23-2017 11:37 PM #9 johnnyx (Member)

Hi MrBraun,

How did you get adult traffic working in turkey?
Cloaking or....?


11-24-2017 02:16 AM #10 webbyte2011 (Member)

Good stuff

How long did you take to make $ 150k Rev in TR geo ?


11-24-2017 08:21 AM #11 whitebelt (Member)

Awesome, thanks for those infos. I didn't realize Turkey could be such a good playground for Antivirus on Pops.What about the sweeps? ever tried?


11-24-2017 08:23 AM #12 whitebelt (Member)

btw speaking of Turkey, happy thanksgiving everybody !


11-24-2017 08:46 AM #13 mrbraun (Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by bigboyplaya View Post
The problem I always face is volume. How do you run higher payout offers ( 8$ for example) and split test something (more offers, lps) with a low bid on a geo with average inventory?
Turkey has a giant inventory everywhere, but some geos with a smaller inventory just have like sub 10k visits when you bid small, it would take multiple days to get some meaningful data.
Also man, do you target adult and mainstream separately for sources like popads/popcash assuming offer allows adult?
Hi!

Nothing different in testing. If I don't have enough data, I will wait for it. But usually if offer and LP are good, campaign starts to give me green profit instantly.

No, I don't divide adult and mainstream. I just check categories.


11-24-2017 08:46 AM #14 mrbraun (Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by johnnyx View Post
Hi MrBraun,

How did you get adult traffic working in turkey?
Cloaking or....?
It's allowed


11-24-2017 08:47 AM #15 mrbraun (Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by webbyte2011 View Post
Good stuff

How long did you take to make $ 150k Rev in TR geo ?
Hey!

It's about 4 months.


11-24-2017 08:48 AM #16 mrbraun (Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by whitebelt View Post
Awesome, thanks for those infos. I didn't realize Turkey could be such a good playground for Antivirus on Pops.What about the sweeps? ever tried?
I didn't have good Sweeps in TR. But AV works really amazing. You can also try WhatsApp and Games.
If we talk about POP traffic and Games, people usually promote it like "adult-game".


12-17-2017 04:05 PM #17 johnnyx (Member)

Hello STMers,

I'm running a campaign that is pretty similar but the results are horrible. I guess the good times are over.

Here are some numbers;
4 TR antivirus offers
3 LPs from Adplexity, pretty aggressive.
ts - PopAds - PopCash
170.000 views - 60.000 clicks
$63.30 costs - $6.70 revenue

In Dima's statistics, here above, even the worst offer is performing a lot better
1.056.000 clicks - $1020 revenue

Is there any use for me to keep on testing these campaigns?


12-18-2017 05:22 PM #18 johnnyx (Member)

I guess not.
The lack of response tell me to stop asap


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