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Dating offers + Geographic Targeting for Israel . (21)

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Hello everyone,

my story (do not must to read, you can switch to straight to questions).


After over a month of diagnosis possible ways to do affiliate marketing.

I have come to the conclusion that in the end, what I have left in my hand is only my knowledge and the skills I will accumulate during the process, nothing is safe - and will be for ever - no successful campaign / no internet asset ( email list ,social media , blogs whatever ) - only my way (skills ) of creating them time after time again and in different ways.

There is a sentence that says that if even someone will take the money of the wealthy people who made their money with wise business skill , it is a matter of time before the money comes back to them.

Skills is my most important asset.

And to move forward with the world - if the opportunity today is POP then ride this opportunity - whatever it will be with her in the future - it exists now .

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I understood from the members of the forum that in order not to jump from place to place - I should focus on one type of vartical + one geographic area + a source of traffic.


That's what I chose:


vartical : Dating website offer - CPL


(This is the first type of offers in the world so there is no reason why it will not work in Israel ) .


offer :

(CPL : 4.85 $

AVG. EPC : 0.33Conversion rate : 13.4 % (1:7) )

Geographic : Israel only .

(However small it may be - I know that there are several traffic sources for Israel and I will use each one them to reach the required volume )

Traffic source : POPs.

start with www.popads.net

( I saw an few Israelis who is doing good in pop with this network ).

Tracking software : Voluum .

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Are there other things I did not notice before I start?


My choice of Israel is my home country. I know that pop is becoming competitive and most of the beginners are entering this field. I think that in Israel there is a potential to succeed with this, there are several affiliate networks that I have already subscribed to and I can start working on Israeli offers.


And entry barriers such as offers in the Hebrew language + ads in Hebrew, will give me an advantage against competitors from abroad .


thank you guys for all what i getting here .

Yohai .

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Hello Yohai!

Focusing on your own country can definitely give you some edge over your competitors, it's also not one of the most competitive GEOs in dating... so yeah, good choice I would say.

One thing I have to warn you about though : POP traffic usually means lower quality leads ... many people still use it, but expect to lose an offer from time to time due to quality issues. Focusing on the israel specific networks that you mentioned, might be a better idea.

Looking forward to your results.
Matej.

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thank you matuloo , One day I will be at the STM events and you are the first person I would like to meet, your answer to every inspirational post, I hope God will give you according to what you grant .

Back to post : I am totally attached to a leading israel specific networks , which has a large number of offers for dating sites, this is simply the best offer from what I saw, there are at least 5-6 similar but less favorable offers according to the data presented .

I know that I'll can to change a lot of offers / landing pages maybe until I get a profitable campaign, but it can not be like one of the members here who replaced something like 150+ offers - Simply because there is no amount of this proposals in the country .

I believe I can get something out of it - and I just want to get started, as a member from this forum- @razzdot / @razbot said me here - JUST DO IT .

lets do it .

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Hehe thank you yohaimor, I like to help, so I'm glad people appreciate it!


Always take the data that any network presents you with, with a grain of salt... it's always some kind of average, so your results can be better but also worse ... it's still a good sign, when it works well network wide.

One more tip for you : many dating offers have several variations of the offer URLs, some are so different that it's like a new offer altogether, so 10 offers with 10 urls each, that's like 100 offers in a way

Looking forward to the results.

Matej.

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thank you man ,
yes you right i saw that have a few landers for the same offer and its look diffrent .
I would be happy if you could tell me which are the 5 most important questions to ask my affiliate manager from which I can get the most important information. / Link to a similar post in the forum .

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Ask for offers that :

1. ... they are doing good volume with, high EPC can be misleading, but if the offer generates volume, it's probably good.
2. ... have multiple offer urls to chose from, ask for the best performing urls too.
3. ... are from advertisers who are willing to give bumps and who are not extremely sensitive about quality. Some will kick you after 20 leads, some understand more is needed to actually assess a quality level.
4. ... have the cap available, you don't want offers that are capped at 20 leads per day.
5. ... are not around for 10 years, you want as fresh offers as possible. The old offers have big DBs and plenty of your leads will be considered duplicates.

This should be enough to get you started

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done .

I sent for affiliate manager an email with these questions.

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Very newbie question :

this is my campaign url - how i can to know if i did the tracking well ?

http://tradio-manded.com/d56f4ef4-28...&bid=[BID]

I try to match this to an Israeli network so I do not have such information in the forum, I just need to understand this a bit and I will be able to make adjustments .

edit : I did it like in vortex guide with some adjustments.. i think its okay ..If someone takes a look - I'd love to know it's right..

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Yahomir your url seems ok. If you're going to open that url in your browser, you you will notice visits that are displaying your tracking tokens as tracked parameters. Just replace some of those tokens to see the difference before sending traffic on your camp, for instance ...websiteid=123456...

Also check out caurmen's detailed guide on how tracking works

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thank you !

if you are from Slovakia so i think its working :] and yes i did the "website=123456" and its send me to the same page - thank you .

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Does the network require you to pass them all the information? I doubt so. Only send them the info they need. Longer links also have a larger chance of "breaking" in some way, it's easy to leave out a character or hit some limit when copying stuff.

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Network is:


popads.net

And I choose the template of the popads in the Voluum tracker , and that's the requirements that appeared automatically, do you think I should download them?

its show up under : ADVANCED PARAMETERS - in traffic source

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Ah, sorry, I thought this was the offer url and that you are trying to pass that many variables to the advertiser ... my bad sorry, it's getting late, so my last reply for today

You still don't need to use all of them, some can be detected by Voluum : country for example, some are useless : bid (it will not match anyways due to clickloss and you would need it per visit), campaignID (it's one campaign, right?) ... only use those that you can later use for optimization, so if the source won't let you target by screenresolution, you need to have that data in the tracker pretty much ...

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Your mistakes are welcome with me ..
I'll try to download what you said

thank you man and good night .

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The affiliate manager has yet to answer me, the tracking on Voluum still does not work properly - but I decided nevertheless to play little with it because that's how I feel I can definitely understand a lot more

The first campaign did not pick up a conversion even though there was one - so I ran a new campaign that received conversions and was my first day result:

the lead that i get - At pending approval yet - it seems to me because of postback problems in my tracking.

I work in with the Voluum support in order to fix it .



The conversion in the previous campaign was from the same site - this is an Israeli site for sure (100,000 + traffic from israel per day ) - I checked its data in popads.net - all other sites are international sites with traffic lower than Israel (5,000) or something like this, but wait to see there may be more sites.

I'm excited to see that there's something green in my first campaign and hope it's not early joy !

Do you think there is anything else I can do besides storing information / fixing my tracking problems?

thank you all guys !

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You need to sort out tracking first, don't invest into traffic until its working 100%. Let me know if you need help with the setup of the postback.

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Thank you very much matulooI just decided to stop being smart-aleck , It burns me too much time and money .

It takes me too long but in the end I draw my conclusions from it .

Some Mistakes I understood in my choice:

Mistake number 1 : Choosing a geographic location is too small .

quote from vortex guide : Day 2: Picking Offers .

"It is VERY important, before you decide on a geo+carrier+[any other targeting] to create a campaign for, that you FIRST verify that enough traffic volume is available at the traffic source you're planning to launch the campaign on."

"This is one of the more important things to keep in mind. Too many newbies have wasted time and money trying to work with little bits of traffic that can never make them beyond a dollar or two a day. You'll do well to learn from their mistake. "

Mistake number 2 :

Israel is a country in TIER 1

I saw your post (matuloo ) and realized why it would not be right at first :

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ve-TIER-1-GEOs


Mistake number 3 : Choose high-paying offers.again quote from vortex guide : Day 2: Picking Offers ."I suggested to pick low-payout offers "

And the explanation of why : https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...e-Often-Better


Mistake number 4 : Choose late payments affiliate networks .

this is the late payments that affiliate network which I registered : Payment = + 60 days.

I should just get to the level of know to go and then decide to choose me the paths - then after many studies I realized that I wanted to follow the guide of vortex - Learn to walk step by step in what should be the " hunting" for beginners .

matuloo Thank you for your patience and support in every decision - I appreciate you very much

The rest of the forum members may have gotten a bit tired of my questions .

But you're something special and I'll never forget it .

I would be happy if you would recommend GEOS from tier 2/3 and offers types that fit mobile pop into these geos .

I signed up for Mobidea, and I follow the directory of Votex, waiting for approval from the affiliate network for the offers I requested for them

Soon I will open a new post and begin working on my first campaign - including proper tracking and everything according to what the vortex guide teaches

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Hello again yohaimor

It's not like the members are tired with your questions, but the newbie questions are kinda repetitive, so it's more up to the moderators to handle them ... that's what we are here for, so to speak. With more advanced questions, more and more forum members will react.

It's right that there is no point in focusing on very small GEOs, especially with carrier traffic ... not sure how much volume there is for Israel, I don't think I ever targeted that GEO ... HOWEVER, you don't need carrier traffic for dating, any traffic can work with these offers. So even small GEOs are good enough to run dating in. It is a tier 1 GEO, but again, it's not the prime target of dating affiliates ... I thought that the fact you're a native, might really give you an edge ... are you sure you don't want to give it a go? I see a problem with the 60+ payout cycle though, it might be worth it to shop around a bit and look for dating offers with more favorable payment terms.

In case you decide to go with Vortex's guide and offers from Mobidea ... try to focus on the Arab world, I've seen several people having good results there lately.

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hello matuloo Thank you On the last day you were a little less here than usually - I can see it:]

Yes you are right - I can understand the recurring questions.

about the dating in israel :

I think that once I learn the basics, I can go back to focusing on tier 1, and definitely check Israel, I just feel I need roughness of pick the right offers / traffic sources / tracking / optimization .

And I can communicate a lot more with the forum members here - in the pool they know, it will help me understand the basics.

Low offer payout - lower cost for testing - Spend less money to learn how things work.

More affiliate networks ( more offers that i can check Immediately ) + faster payment for my cash flow .

And thanks to the proposal of the Arab states - I will look into it more .

You're the man Matuloo ! :]

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I try to stay away from business and posting on weekends, my family needs me too

Fair enough, learning the basics by going the cheapest route makes a lot of sense, but definitely don't close the dating doors for good, I believe there might be a lot of potential for you.

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I'm sure brother I'm kidding, Family This is the best offer and its cannot be on Voluum for optimization... :]

I'll remember that , thank you .

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