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Is it still possible to do SEO on google in 2017/2018 ? (23)

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Hello all

I'm talking about Google , And the known methods of building blog / website reviews - are these techniques still working?

All content here 2014-2015, is it still worthwhile for a beginner to engage with SEO or is it an old world?
And suitable for more professional in the field?

I want to know before I invest work on it - How relevant is it to these years?

thank you

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The basic SEO has been the same for years actually ... quality content (long blog posts), quality backlinks, frequent updates ... becoming an authority in your niche, building social signals, social pages, sharing content ...

There have been some changes in the field, there is more emphasis put on social signals, time on site, session depth ... ranking takes longer, some people report up to a year to see solid results ... but yes, it's still doable and people are banking on it

We had a good thread recently : https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...r-2017-Nirvana

Some tools here : https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...t-of-resources

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thank you very much , Year for solid results - God , It's like that with all the free methods ah ?

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It's not a rule, but rather something that people report. When google started, there was the famous "google dance" once a month or so, we've all been waiting for that, looking for the new set of results ... can you believe googles results looked the same from one dance to the next one? Later on, they moved to dynamic ways of treating their SERPs, and that's the case till the day ... so basically, they tweak the results on the fly. New websites CAN go into the sandbox and have to prove themselves in order to be "accepted" for the main index. Some sites are more lucky and get stable SERPs after a few weeks ... What I'm saying is that couple years ago, if a site wasn't showing up in SERPs after 1-3 months, I'd let it go, cause I obviously fucked up somewhere ... these days you need to give it more time, as much as a year sometimes.

Just in case you're not familiar with the term, Search Engine Result Pages.

Cheers

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I dont know about that.. every site should come out of sandbox provided content is unique and serves a purpose.

To avoid sandbox, do not build links TOOO fast to a BRAND NEW website.

Social signals alone can take you our of sandbox.

Regarding 1 year

Not true. It can be even longer if you are trying to rank for stuff like buy instagram likes. For a regular niche with not a stupidly high comp.. brand new domain.. 3-6 months with good seo.

Want faster results? Buy an aged domain... but with this... be cautious... you take all the previous dirt along with the power.

What niche are you ranking for btw? Maybe I can give you some solid tips on how to start!

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thank you man , I imagine things like - investments in gold (gold ira ) Will be difficult - especially for a beginner in the field .


I just thought to build - review sites on various topics , I bought different courses that say it's still possible, I wanted to check things out with people who understand this much more than I do , I do not think this is impossible, but it is not as simple as it is presented in the courses.

Thank you very much for your time.

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Well, yes ... sites with unique content that serve purpose will eventually come out of a sandbox. In the example I gave, I was talking about my particular case... which was building ton's of adult sites, trying to rank for some KWs, by using all kinds of grey hat tactics, spinned content etc ... those were often hit or miss type of sites. So if I didn't see results after 1-3 months, I knew I was either caught by some spam filter or I screwed up somewhere else. Basically, I wanted to say, that at that time, the results came in sooner, even in competitive niches/kws.

Just to clear any confusion, I said that people "report up to a year" of waiting time, until they see solid results ... I didn't say it is always a year or that the rankings will stop improving after a year, nor did I say it can't be done sooner. It's just the feedback I have form people who are into SEO more than I am

It's been a while since I saw a new domain getting solid results after 3 months though, feel free to drop some tips on how to achieve that ... I know you're good with SEO, so would love to hear some of your tricks

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SEO is a slow channel, something you do when you're in it for the long haul. If you want to build a business that lasts for years - then do invest in this. Otherwise don't even bother.
If you are in it for the quick buck and want to become a "typical" affiliate marketeer jumping from one campaign to the other, its all about paid traffic.

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My apologies, I think I misunderstood you. Spinned content alone on the site will wreck you does not matter how you build links or how amazing your site is. Porn is all blackhat btw, there is no room for grey hat

Because porn is soo dirty, I conspire (never done anything in porn), rankings have a lot to do with user experience and links. Since the chance of you getting a contextual link - genuine blog post link is pretty low, naturally, you are better off building sape as that's usually how traffic moves in porn. Think about the last porn site you were on.. did you read a paragraph before you went to a new website.. NO.. rather saw a link with a anchor and clicked it... also in your linkbuilding, if you are going to do blogposts or any similar link type, use image anchors.. that means clickable images that go to your site. It's natural.


Bing and Yahoo.. its possible to do that in under 3 months.. Use an EMD - Exact match domain - Example: Want to rank for affiliate marketing? use affiliate-marketing.com as a domain... Bing's algorithm favors it.

Google, it depends and also there are 2 things we need to consider when we speak on ranking fast.

1. New domain without authority - It's possible to rank fast provided there is low comp for the kws. Ofc you gotta know how to do seo.
2. Inner page of an existing site - This is where tough kws can rank FAST and in the 3 months time frame.. let me give you an example... say you had an authority blog in affiliate marketing.. now you want to promote voluums affilaite program so you would go and make a page on it and start your seo efforts. Since your site is already 'trusted', 'an authority', 'a source of credible info' in affiliate marketing in Google's eyes... a tracker that facilities affiliate activities would have no problem jumping the serps.

Another example of this approach... what is the likelyhood of a new stmer believing my words over urs in paid traffic.. very low. You are credible and successful and a proven figure in the community. google works the same way. Power sites get more leverage and importance.

Google does not care if you are new and an industry changer.. giving you priority is a risk for them to ruin their user experience.. so they will always give preference to authority inner pages vs a new domain - Fruit does not fall far from the tree for an existing authority.

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You know who owns review sites? Really good seo guys who know how to push traffic to affiliate or their own offers... building review sites is NOT a good start as there is MANY more variables and more than likely you are competing with powerful PBNS. There is soo much great content on those sites and they are sometimes MASSIVE with 100's of pages. Those review pages you see ranking are leeching off a huge authority that already exists + insane amounts of SEO.

Think about it, if I was to compete with any super affiliate on this forum on an offer, even if I replicate their funnel, I still would not last. I do not have the money to keep up nor do I have the resources, experience, and know-how like they do. They are just too big.

Some guys pick a niche... build a PBN network.. 100s of strong sites.. and keep building content on new products.. review sites... and they keep banking. What you are doing is like me going out today and building a traffic source.. lol

Not discouraging you but its the truth... stay far away from review type products... not saying this would happen but those sites are ran by seos that will in a heart beat negative seo you and ruin ur efforts. The thinner and newer your site.. the vulnerable it is to negative seo attacks.. There is a skill to doing neg seo as well. It's not easy and infact harder than real seo as there is very limited info out there supporting it. Plus if you do attempt, more than likely, you will benefit the victim as the links you build to fuck them are NOT cheap links and actually hold a ton of power. It's just how you use them.

Sorry I just went too off topic I feel.. been having a rough day.. not thinking just typing

What is your goal? Why are you ranking.. is it adsense, affiliate or your own product?

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You are correct. I know how tough it is for me to adjust to paid traffic. It's like a new approach, mindset, a new goal...

I will say one thing... no matter what amount of money you are making with paid traffic.. on the side...INVEST in a SEO project and spend that $5k/month with a good company building a brand.

Where google is going with search.. you will regret not doing it when people search without typing or even seeing a screen.

Combine search with an AI assistant.. I mean.. way off topic.. just wanted to say invest in something like you invest in realestate with your profits.

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Anyone can put up a site. The question is how you will drive traffic to it.

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thank you all guys , i just purchased a course of one of members here : john crestani and what he talked about in his course for really newbie - its free traffic with google , youtube and facebook , and on the google course he talked about : to build review website / blog and to do seo , i just understand its not the best way to start ...

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I know it's really nothing, but what made me see the ease of affiliate marketing is actually something much simpler than all the ways I have been offered to date (paid traffic / free traffic)

i did almost 100 $ from this method : Just leave comments on review sites (in some of the comments) like: "I do not know what this article is talking about, I've used this product and it's an amazing product I highly recommend " - and affiliate link of product , I left it in various forums, YouTube comments, and review sites .

And the truth was that it was so simple, so I thought building a review site could be something that would be much more stable .

Now I understand that it can certainly be much more stable - but it's not as simple as it was presented to me in the course probably .

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True from the most part, majority of the links is not "natural", webmasters have to build them on their own. There are exceptions of course - people link back in case of embedding content, reviews, link lists or directories ... Quite a lot of traffic is actually still passed on via text links, majority goes through images or screenshot though. Then there is traffic trading, so backlinks again and they get a lot of clicks ... but this is agreed by the owners of particular sites, so not natural linking again That's how it has been in adult for years ... it's very hard to get a natural link, not even mentioning some social networks love

Ah, I thought this was gone for years

1. New domain without authority - It's possible to rank fast provided there is low comp for the kws. Ofc you gotta know how to do seo.
2. Inner page of an existing site - This is where tough kws can rank FAST and in the 3 months time frame.. let me give you an example... say you had an authority blog in affiliate marketing.. now you want to promote voluums affilaite program so you would go and make a page on it and start your seo efforts. Since your site is already 'trusted', 'an authority', 'a source of credible info' in affiliate marketing in Google's eyes... a tracker that facilities affiliate activities would have no problem jumping the serps.

Another example of this approach... what is the likelyhood of a new stmer believing my words over urs in paid traffic.. very low. You are credible and successful and a proven figure in the community. google works the same way. Power sites get more leverage and importance.

Google does not care if you are new and an industry changer.. giving you priority is a risk for them to ruin their user experience.. so they will always give preference to authority inner pages vs a new domain - Fruit does not fall far from the tree for an existing authority.[/QUOTE]

Makes perfect sense, thanks for the tip.

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As a snarky answer, as long as there is a SERP (search engine result page) that gets traffic, people will find ways to get on that SERP. Decent thread for sure, loop-holes close, thresholds move and such, but since sites rank and people go to Google for answers, there are ways to build toward getting URLs listed in the SERP. As mentioned above, the loopholes and more "spammy" ways continue to change and close, but content marked up with proper and well thought out html tags as well as niche relevant and topical links with good anchor are what any Search Engine has to rely on because it is "web standard", meaning the actual whole internet runs on the stuff, so Google has to adhere to is as well.

As much as anything, this question is about, "is it worth it to try to rank on Google". So far, that answer is a resounding yes, as of August 2018. The biggest company in the world, where the most people in the world go every day to get their questions answered is a very valuable place to peddle your wares. Things have changed over the years but I myself, and a lot of folks I know still make a lot of money by ranking of Google (and other search engines).

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I know this is an older thread - but since f13tch has revived it (thanks) - I thought I'd announce that the legendary Greg Morrison has recently joined our forum! He has taught countless students to do SEO with success over the past few years (I've learned from his courses as well) in spite of all the algo changes. Be sure to look out for posts from him.

According to this post, he has a mini-tutorial in the works. I'll be looking out for that.



Amy

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Just trying to get a consensus...would people prefer written or a video tutorial? Once I get a little consensus (and these crazy kids back to school) I'll get something going with plenty of examples!

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I'd love a video tutorial! That'd be badass. Thanks for offering, Greg!

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I prefer reading myself, but a little bit of video can't hurt. One way or another, it would be awesome if you can produce something

I feel your pain ... waiting for my 3 devils to get occupied with school again too ))

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Most people prefer video I think. But for longer tutorials that need to be updated regularly, text would be easier (unless the videos are very short and thus easily replaced individually).

For mini tutorials though either would work for sure.

Really looking forward to this! And thanks again in advance!


Amy

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I am completely a text guy. No patience watching a video.


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Just to update this conversation - Greg has posted an AWESOME tutorial on how to do SEO these days:

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...nking-Tutorial

Greg has been the authority on SEO for a number of years now - follow what he teaches and you can't go far wrong.



Amy

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