Maxbounty scamming me to worship the advertiser (17)
hello folk
i want to share with you what's happen with me at maxbounty network !!!
it was my first month to me with them and my AM was ( Tania Laroche Duhamel ) i working with here with a lot of traffic sources as any new one to know what's good for them and continue with the good one and expect the bad one , till now it's good
at the first month i make about $2300 but they told me there are one offer have low quality traffic so will remove it and already did that and my payment was $2164 as i remember , so i ask if the other is good she told me from the beginning of the other month to 10th you will know the feedback and if any thing is bad will tell you and remove the bad payment from this offer ( and i was working at more than 10 offers ), so i stop all my traffic from all my sources and wait them .
it was 13th and nothing and i asked my AM told me every thing is ok , so i continue my working at the next month and make more than $5000 then at the 14th ( it was just one day and i will get my payment they told me your friend have bad quality traffic so your payment is hold and we will ask for review if you have a fraud traffic we will close your account as we did with him , ( my friend !!!!!! ) so i told my AM it's ok , by the way you already told me that my quality is good and i will get my payment and also for the next month my quality is good . ( i have screenshot from our chatting )
then after 10h i see that she block me at skype and didn't answer me all of AM that belong to maxbounty blocking me and send to me mail told me that my account is closed and if i think it was an error replay and told us why ? , and i did it and told them everything and ask them so why now you closed my mail but without any answer , and asking them about my old payment that them already get this money from the advertiser because they told me also before that they get the money and the feedback from 1th t 10th from every month then send to us the money if it the first time and it was weekly told us to return the money if the traffic is bad or there are any refunds , or say nothing that's mean everything is ok ,
so they already take the payment from the advertiser and come to 14th at the month and creating this problems and every one i talk to him say to me i have nothing to do !!! how and you told me from some days before that my quality is good so why so closed everything and take all of my payment ( it was all what i have ) and i already told my AM that and she told me the quality is good continue your working !!! but now they take from me all what i have really , i don't know what i do , please if there are any one can help me told me , and i have all proofs from my AM words to assure every word i had said it now
my mail at maxbounty was :- nanaland351@gmail.com
thanks to all
Hey Ahmed,
You were terminated from MaxBounty for creating your own leads on several campaigns and committing fraud. MaxBounty does not terminate affiliates for no reason as well as withhold money. What you did is a direct breach of terms and conditions so that is why you were terminated and why your earnings were not sent to you. You can view the MaxBounty terms at https://maxbounty.com/terms.cfm. In regards to your conversation with your affiliate manager, at the time the traffic and quality seemed to be ok because we were unaware that you were generating your own leads and promoting our campaigns with fraud.
Originally Posted by ahmedbre
Originally Posted by brodycurtis
ok let's deep on it please ,
if i creating my own leads as you said , so why the feedback from the advertiser is not bad ?! because if that bad you will do it before 10th of this month , right ?! , or my am didn't said the truth when you said that you get the feedback every month before 10th ?!
also if i create my leads as you said why you told me your qulity is ok , and you have anti-fraud system that showing to you everything like what my am do at one of my campaigns and told me this source is bad but the other is good ?!!!
and also if i do that why the advertiser pay for you this first month , and if the advertiser paid for you so why you also take this money from me !!
ok leave all of that , if i do that like what you say why my AM say to me continue working every things is ok ?!
ok all of that is nothing , why my AM told me when she going to close my mail that will see if my friend join to me mail !!
i know good the terms but i think that one of the AM responsibility is said to you stop when you used traffic source not good and the terms don't allowed it , and continue when your traffic is ok ! , right ?! so why my AM don't say that and just said that before the payment only one day !! and all what she said is at my side ! or my AM was want my to lost all of my money !
and told me before one hour work and every thing is ok and you will get your payment and will going to be weekly , if my traffic is bad as you said because the feedback will be the new month because you don't we can say that you get complain from the advertiser and then ban me ( and i think also it was from the first leeds not wait till i make more than 6k ) but this last month also why , or you just see any chance to don't paid so do it !
i ask you send to me my payment beody at lest my first month , because you already get it from the advertiser , and the other payment send to me my report that it was bad and i can't say any thing at this monet because i will be already bad as you say
all of us know that maxbounty broken them offers from others networks especially the cpi offers ( we can see it when we used affilitest ) but all of us working with maxbounty only because of we hear that the network pay on the time to us , but when you also don't pay for us !!! no man it's will be more
I won't pick sides here, but here are my thoughts on this matter:
1. It's very hard to understand your thoughts here. I think you should list out structured points about what happened, in what sequence, and so on. It's all just rambling right now.
2. Who on earth is your friend and what do they have to do with anything? I can't tell if this is some lost-in-translation issue or not.
3. You don't seem to outright say that you did not send fraudulent traffic. You should perhaps lead with that and note your traffic source and some other details.
4. You note several times that the advertiser paid MaxBounty. Do you have evidence of this or are you basing it on the fact that MaxBounty paid you once for the first month?
5. It's pretty clear the advertiser has to check leads over a long time window to see how they back out. So its not abnormal for it to take some time to find out if leads are fraudulent. I imagine its quite clear when leads are fraudulent and made by an affiliate -- i.e. fingerprints of fake lead creation.
Given this is an accusation against you, if you believe yourself innocent, you should ask for a report on this from their end and provide a traffic report from your end to show your sources, the conversions, and so on to indicate where the leads came from, what placements, browsers, and so on. You should have this data.
If you do not and can't reasonably show your acqusition data, and their review data on the other hand is pretty indicative of fraud, then you're busted. The data should be used here as the source of truth, not your words, screenshots, messages from an AM or anything else. It does not matter what anyone at MaxBounty said if the leads were actually fraudulent, it would be a clear no-payout scenario.
Originally Posted by zeno
1- what's happen again shortly that i working for month and 14 day , they told me at one or tow from my sources is not good the other is good , so i push all of my money there and do what's the best that i can do , after they get the report and finishing every thing come and told me your friend is scammer ( yes i know this one he was an affiliate with them for more than 3 years as he said so i just add him as friend just only , and they think that i learn from him ( how and he told me also that all of his payment didn't reach 1k for his ever life and i did it per day ) , then told me the report we will get it before 10th from the month also get the payment from them advertisers ( so they get my report at this time and my AM didn't told me any thing if it's bad always say it's doing good ) so if we still at 14th from the month so the old month report already with them
right ?! so if nothing is bad i should get this month payment ! , and at the next month my AM told me when i ask about the quality to know if i have to push more with my source and she give me a report and told me that i just have about 20 or 30 ( i don't remember exactly ) lead is bad and the other 1k lead is good and told me that it's well and good working , and just if we doing some optimizing will be good ( and that what i did when she give the report to me , then after 2 days come to me and say all you traffic for this 2 months is bad ( at the 14th from the month and told me before this if i reach 10th from the month and no complain so i doing good ) then they ban me and cancel all of my payment ! ( so if you didn't like my traffic why told me you are doing good ! , and if i send bad traffic why you just give me report with 20 or 30 lead is bad from all of my leads ?!!!!!!!!! ) 2- who is my friend and what he do , i don't care about him or what he did , every one working on his way not because i'm your friend and you working good so i have to be like you and also if you bad , right !
3- yes i said i didn't send fraud traffic because that's what they said and what's what them reports said and that's what them doing said ( no report till 10th from the next month , when i get the report it was very few leads that bad and they told me it's not matter you doing good and that was at 13th )
4- yes i have it because all of AM that working at maxbounty and all of networks that all of us working with them doing that , they get the money between 1th to 10th from every month and also the reports that belong to the last month then paid to you at 15th from the month and that's the reason that make all of us get our first payment at this day ( also that what all of them said )
5- yes sure the advertiser take his time to check the quality and they always do that and check it after 30 days so if the advertiser as they said and told me exactly finish it all at 10th from the month and this days are finished to 14th on the same month what's mean all of that , it was just one day and send to me all of my payment so if it bad why they was prepare all of my payment ! ( just this friends problems happen so make my payment hold because of it and also my AM said that to me .
and how we don't care about who's say what ?!! , to me maxbounty is my AM that i working with him so if he guide me to any way , it's mean maxbounty guide me to this way , or why he is working !! , to make you make a mistake and get problems with his networks ?! i don't think so by the way , and i'm sure you also .
and as you said i asked always for the report and ask if it's good , to stop if i have any thing is bad .
if you want me to clear any other thing just please reply and ask me , if you need any proof from my words also please ask me i will share it here on the time .
thanks
Hey Ahmed,
I want to start by saying again, that you were caught creating your own leads which is a breach in the terms and conditions on MaxBounty. You had pages of proxies, repeated IP’s, and repeat user agents. This was caught by MaxBounty compliance, not the merchant.
When you started sending traffic everything looked OK, so of course your affiliate manager is going to ask for more traffic, that is what they do. The essential point here is that you generated your own leads to make more money which is fraud, and that is why you were terminated and the payment was not sent to you. MaxBounty, in no way guided you "this way", all your affiliate manager did was ask for more traffic before she knew it was fraud. You keep saying that if it was bad why didn't we ask you to stop? MaxBounty was unaware at the time you were committing fraud. you were generating your own leads, you must have known this was not right, correct? If quality is bad then yes, we address that and do not terminate affiliates over that, but what you did is fraud.
Here are the MaxBounty terms again for you to go over https://maxbounty.com/terms.cfm
When you signed up you agreed to these terms and if you look at section 4.1. it states, “Failure to adhere to the following rules is a violation of the Agreement and will result in immediate termination of the Affiliate from the MaxBounty Network with forfeiture of all monies due to Affiliate.”
Originally Posted by brodycurtis
and don't worry wont say here also that you ask tania my old AM to delete her message at skype with me , i sweat they doing it now hahahhahahahha that's clear to all that they are scamming me and afraid from the other because if i show to them every thing she said the other will know that they scam me and make me lost all of my money
also i want to tell you i didn't mean that you block me also from your FB group mean that you are right , you just can't reply me in the public and prefer to run any from every thing and can't replay or said any thing , thanks god i have some forms like STM that allow to all say them opinion and never will be at your site just because it's your group or because you are Maxbounty the scamming network :d
Hey Ahmed,
I did not block you on any Facebook group. Brian Prins removed you from the group because you were spamming things in it. The group Online Marketing Group is not MaxBountys group. You have spent hours upon hours discussing this termination and nothing will be reversed by it. As you have shown in your own graph, the number of high proxies so you proved yourself that we have the evidence. As i have mentioned you will not be getting the fraud money you generated and will not be allowed back into MaxBounty so please accept that. Thank you.
Originally Posted by brodycurtis
also you said that i have fraud traffic here in public if you are right show your proofs and your reports about that , to make all of the members know who are the right man
also this Brian Prins i don't care about him because from the first comment all of the other member said that he are at your site because the common business between him and maxbounty ( like you only set your videos courses only on his site to get money from the people who join to his site :d ) let's make it clear man all of us know well that Online Marketing Group it the other maxbounty face and there are a lot of $$$$$$ between you tried to get it ( by the way it's a weak way because stm will be the best for ever no one complain all of us doing the right working here not as maxbounty stealing our money ) go and see the other comments will see all at my site hahahhahaha all of us know well that you scamming me , i don't need fraud money , i never want it , i want my legit ( and it's all of my money ) if you say that i'm a fraud assure that :d but please don't tell me that 17 lead from more than 3k make all fraud
a lot of affiliate complain from maxbounty man so you have to see well who are the right ^_^
by the way if you don't need to pay don't paid it , you told that to the all and all know that and you showing to the all that maxbounty lie and try to create any reason from nothing to take this money hahahahha i get proofs from my chat between me and my old AM but you can't say any proof . ( if you have any share it in the public as i did
) so be happy and scamming your affiliate money there are one day one will also scam you and take your money as you did with us .
by the way i think all will be careful now when they working with you because all of them know now well that you scamming me
Hey Ahmed,
You posted the proof on the Facebook group page showing all the proxies you had but just for a refresh, I will re post it again. The numbers on the right of the screen shot show the proxy numbers. The values are from 0-4. Anything over 1.8 is bad.
It seems you might be a little unclear on a few things so I will clarify them for you. MaxBounty and the course Brian Prins were working on together is no longer an active partnership. As the comments to your post on Facebook showed, we work with many affiliates who are very happy with our network, it is why we have been around for almost 15 years now and are considered one of the most trusted in the industry.
MaxBounty is direct with a lot of the merchants we work with and if we get them from agencies, I do not see how this is relates to your initial issue, which was getting paid the money you made. As it has been stated you created your own leads which is deemed fraud so you were terminated and that money will not be credited to you.
There is nothing else that will be discussed about this issue moving forward because as I stated previously you committed fraud which is a direct breach of the terms of conditions on MaxBounty (that you agreed to when you signed up) and it states that if you commit fraud that you would be terminated and any money owed to you will not be sent. I do not see how you committing fraud is MaxBounty “scamming” you, you decided to forfeit your earnings, the moment you decided to try and cheat the system.
In regard to your comments, again about the conversation you and your affiliate manager had, I will explain again that when you were asked to send more traffic, your affiliate manager was unaware that you were creating your own leads. Affiliate managers are supposed to get the most out of our affiliates and ask them to send as much as they can, this is a normal process and it has nothing to do with you creating your own leads because at the end of the day that is the issue; you committed fraud.
I will not be replying to any other questions or statements regarding this because I have given sufficient info several times and if anyone that reads this would like to contact me and ask about it I would be happy to do so.
I have thoroughly enjoyed reading this interaction.
Originally Posted by brodycurtis
You posted the proof on the Facebook group page showing all the proxies you had but just for a refresh, I will re post it again. The numbers on the right of the screen shot show the proxy numbers. The values are from 0-4. Anything over 1.8 is bad.
It seems you might be a little unclear on a few things so I will clarify them for you. MaxBounty and the course Brian Prins were working on together is no longer an active partnership. As the comments to your post on Facebook showed, we work with many affiliates who are very happy with our network, it is why we have been around for almost 15 years now and are considered one of the most trusted in the industry.
MaxBounty is direct with a lot of the merchants we work with and if we get them from agencies, I do not see how this is relates to your initial issue, which was getting paid the money you made. As it has been stated you created your own leads which is deemed fraud so you were terminated and that money will not be credited to you.
There is nothing else that will be discussed about this issue moving forward because as I stated previously you committed fraud which is a direct breach of the terms of conditions on MaxBounty (that you agreed to when you signed up) and it states that if you commit fraud that you would be terminated and any money owed to you will not be sent. I do not see how you committing fraud is MaxBounty “scamming” you, you decided to forfeit your earnings, the moment you decided to try and cheat the system.
In regard to your comments, again about the conversation you and your affiliate manager had, I will explain again that when you were asked to send more traffic, your affiliate manager was unaware that you were creating your own leads. Affiliate managers are supposed to get the most out of our affiliates and ask them to send as much as they can, this is a normal process and it has nothing to do with you creating your own leads because at the end of the day that is the issue; you committed fraud.
I will not be replying to any other questions or statements regarding this because I have given sufficient info several times and if anyone that reads this would like to contact me and ask about it I would be happy to do so.
about the direct offers yes all of us know it
about the traffic my AM told my that this 17 lead from all of my 3000 lead is bad only at one day so all of the days and the last month was't bad
about the happy affailite with you , a lot of them now working with the network that give them the top payout and i know a lot of then ( i have a lot of friends at maxscaming bro
) about the money it's ok and clear to all that you scamming me and take from me more than $8000 all of my payment fro 2 months not only one .
by the way every thing is showing to all now and i don't waiting fro your reply , it's enough to me that showing to all the truth that you try to create any reason before you send to me my payment only by one day
and all of us know also that you get the review before send to us the money at the first time before it about 5 days :d
also at the first fried to say that one of my friend log into my account but because you know that's easy to me to show that it's only me log into my account and also the other people can't believe on you so you create the other reason ( the traffic that 17 lead is bad from 3000 lead good ) make me didn't get my payment hahahahha all will show this report that you share it only 17 lead is bad and for only one day and i woring for 45 day good so this 17 lead and for this one day make all my payment canceled
i will be happy if any one contact with me and ask me to showing to him any proof for every word i said it ( my skype id is :- magdy_rmr ) will be happy to show to my one any proof .
bye bye scammer :d
Originally Posted by chipisti
and also i showed to all that maxscamming offers not direct as they said and i showed at at my reply by screenshot :d
thanks for reading and i will be very happy if you need showing to you any chatting between me and my AM to proof to you that they are scamming me
thank you ^_^
Some follow up thoughts:
1) If you were indeed creating your own leads that would certainly be grounds for account termination. There's no sensible reason for lots of leads occuring via proxies, VPNs, repeated user-agents etc. through your traffic sources.
2) If this did happen for some weird reason, e.g. a publisher/app/etc. you could provide a proper breakdown for these leads and find the problem using the data. Given there seems to be no attempt at this from you other than incoherent rambling and complaints, I'm not sure I can believe that your traffic was legitimate.
3) You and this "friend" who apparently was also banned, seem to like spamming stuff on Facebook and STM in an effort to get something to happen. If you were professional about it (which is more likely when innocent), you could have paused traffic, had a discussion with MaxBounty to figure out where the suspicious leads came from, and ultimately sanitised the leads and been paid for them. If this happened to me and I certainly had not made fake leads, I would investigate further. The fact this has broken down into spamming on FB/STM suggests this was not handled professionally and/or you got caught and refuse to admit it -- or at least you feel arguing about it endlessly is worth it for the revenue on the line.
4) MaxBounty is a longstanding and credible network, I see no reason why they would try to "scam" a lone affiliate out of 5-10k USD for any reason other than that affiliate having compliance issues.
5) On the other hand, it does seem odd for an affiliate to try and create a handful of fake leads if already sending thousands. Like stealing a single jelly bean when buying $100+ in groceries.
6) Again, I think you could show your side with data. Regardless of whether MaxBounty will respond or not (probably not), you could at least go to the damn effort of filtering to show conversions on that specific day/time period in your tracker, broken down by site/pubID, browser, IP, etc. to see the expanded data on these conversions. If you are innocent this is the first thing you should have done. This excuse of "how am I supposed to know if the traffic is good or bad" is ignorant -- you have a tracking system collecting 10+ pieces of data on every visitor, use it. Stop spamming complaints about brokering and payment terms, what an AM said on Skype etc., and start showing some data. Otherwise you prove nothing.
Personally I never ran anything with MaxBounty, but they've been in business for quite some time. And if they have data showing leads from your IP, you're busted... rule number 1 in affiliate marketing: your am is your best friend... Don't fuck with the networks... You can fuck with some traffic sources by cloaking, but NEVER the networks... For obvious reasons, I can't say who is wrong or right... But unless you can prove that your traffic and conversions are real via log files/tracker, it seems like there's something rotten. It should be easy to prove - your tracker should show everything pretty transparent.
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