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08-15-2017 08:10 AM
#1
ivossss (Member)
How are you doing Account Farming now?
Hey, It's really hard to farm account these days even for White Hat.
Could you guys layout certain points to make a successful accounts.
I have multiple CC (on my name though but Facebook doesn't ask for name, they ask Number only) and I have 4G IP.
Please mention.
Thanks 
08-15-2017 10:32 AM
#2
nickpeplow (AMC Alumnus)
I think you might have more luck outlining the steps that you are currently taking to farm accounts, then others can come in with suggestions. Nobody is going to share their (100+ in some cases) cheat sheet for farming on a forum, but they might be able to make suggestions to your process.
08-15-2017 11:02 AM
#3
ivossss (Member)
Okay. The steps which are making problem for me are:
Case 1: New Windows > New Gmail > New Facebook Account (Unique Details, New IP) > As soon as sign up button hit, Asks for Phone Verify (After that asks for Selfie/Photo Verify) or Directly Selfie/Photo verify.
Case 2: Google Chrome Portable > New Gmail > New Facebook Account (Unique Details, New IP) > As soon as sign up button hit, Asks for Phone Verify (After that asks for Selfie/Photo Verify) or Directly Selfie/Photo verify.
Case 3 (Last time worked in 2015): Google Chrome Portable > New Gmail > New Facebook Account (Unique Details, New IP) > Account Made successfully > Playing Games, Adding Friends, Chating, Liking, Groups and all that other activities. After some days/months > Make Ad Account > Run White Hat
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Case 1 and Case 2 are the problem where you can see I never reach to the Account Made State now. So if you could advice me?
A. I'm using new IP everytime (Broadband is Dynamic IP)
B. I clear cache the cookies/cache or I use Google Chrome Portable.
Please suggest now @Nickpeplow
Thank you.
08-15-2017 11:11 AM
#4
nickpeplow (AMC Alumnus)
Real residential IP, not from a proxy?
Real phone number for the sms, not twilio etc?
08-15-2017 11:15 AM
#5
ivossss (Member)

Originally Posted by
nickpeplow
Real residential IP, not from a proxy?
Real phone number for the sms, not twilio etc?
Real Broadband/4G of my city bro. Not a single Proxy. Using either Ethernet (broadband) or Hotsport (4G)
Real Phone Number no virtual stuff.
08-17-2017 06:04 AM
#6
ivossss (Member)
Please answer:
1. Can Facebook read Mac ID?
2. Can Facebook read Hardware ID?
3. Can Facebook read Local IP (Not Public IP)?
4. Can Facebook know if it's real machine or Virtual Machine?
08-17-2017 09:01 AM
#7
zeno (Administrator)
1. Not really, not unless you give permission via software that can access local information, e.g. Java, ActiveX, etc. Your internal MAC address is overwritten by your router's MAC address when accessing the internet (so that the ISP knows the MAC address of the router it needs to communicate with), but websites cannot see this. The only way to see your MAC address is if you run some local "software" that can actuall retrieve it. This is not a problem for locally installed software, games, etc., but is not something a typical website can do.
2. I am not sure what hardware ID you mean, but no.
3. No.
4. That would depend. It's easy to detect screen resolution, browser user-agent, CPU profile, browser plugins, flash version, OS, etc. If you run a stock standard VM that is not a natural situation for a normal PC/laptop/Mac, then of course as even a human could look at the data and figure out what's normal and what's not. Otherwise, no, there should be no "I am a VM" signature (definitely depends on the setup, software used, and so on though).
08-17-2017 11:05 AM
#8
ivossss (Member)

Originally Posted by
zeno
1. Not really, not unless you give permission via software that can access local information, e.g. Java, ActiveX, etc. Your internal MAC address is overwritten by your router's MAC address when accessing the internet (so that the ISP knows the MAC address of the router it needs to communicate with), but websites cannot see this. The only way to see your MAC address is if you run some local "software" that can actuall retrieve it. This is not a problem for locally installed software, games, etc., but is not something a typical website can do.
2. I am not sure what hardware ID you mean, but no.
3. No.
4. That would depend. It's easy to detect screen resolution, browser user-agent, CPU profile, browser plugins, flash version, OS, etc. If you run a stock standard VM that is not a natural situation for a normal PC/laptop/Mac, then of course as even a human could look at the data and figure out what's normal and what's not. Otherwise, no, there should be no "I am a VM" signature (definitely depends on the setup, software used, and so on though).
2. Hardware ID: Hard Disk ID and so on..
4. How would you make it perfect so that they cannot understand or findout that it's VM? Suggest me.
08-19-2017 02:39 PM
#9
ivossss (Member)
Could anyone help me over here since I'm facing bans and bans.
08-19-2017 03:00 PM
#10
nickpeplow (AMC Alumnus)
How are you doing Account Farming now?
90% of Facebook is the credit card and residential IP. I would focus your attention there.
We have farmed 1000's of accounts on a single server, all identical user agent etc. Makes no difference
The rest... could be the clean site quality (not really content, more passing automated tests) or the page engagement
08-25-2017 01:55 PM
#11
desteny (Member)

Originally Posted by
nickpeplow
We have farmed 1000's of accounts on a single server, all identical user agent etc. Makes no difference
You have no idea how easy is to detect that information and do mass ban. When using VPS or single dedicated with profiles, it wouln't take more than 10 minutes to connect all of them. We are talking about a company which made AI for cloaking, so why one would take a risk running hundreds of accounts in same server, where months of your hard work could be destroyed within minutes. Every bigger scale farmer should think about that.
There is this small company in EU who has developed a soft, which cloaks most of browser fingerprints. Sofarm is using it, probably many others aswell
https://multiloginapp.com/
09-01-2017 11:34 AM
#12
standaman (Member)

Originally Posted by
desteny
You have no idea how easy is to detect that information and do mass ban. When using VPS or single dedicated with profiles, it wouln't take more than 10 minutes to connect all of them. We are talking about a company which made AI for cloaking, so why one would take a risk running hundreds of accounts in same server, where months of your hard work could be destroyed within minutes. Every bigger scale farmer should think about that.
There is this small company in EU who has developed a soft, which cloaks most of browser fingerprints. Sofarm is using it, probably many others aswell
https://multiloginapp.com/
MLA has been spotty lately, so i wouldn't recommend it 100% We at sofarm had success with it before, but not lately.. so lost a lot of accounts because of it.. however there has been some positive trends in the last month.
09-01-2017 01:43 PM
#13
monkeybusiness (Member)

Originally Posted by
standaman
MLA has been spotty lately, so i wouldn't recommend it 100% We at sofarm had success with it before, but not lately.. so lost a lot of accounts because of it.. however there has been some positive trends in the last month.
Are you sure it's because of MLA? What alternatives did you test against?
09-02-2017 01:38 PM
#14
standaman (Member)

Originally Posted by
monkeybusiness
Are you sure it's because of MLA? What alternatives did you test against?
Yes, fairly sure. We tested against a homegrown solution.
09-07-2017 12:46 PM
#15
mirrormaze (Member)

Originally Posted by
standaman
MLA has been spotty lately, so i wouldn't recommend it 100% We at sofarm had success with it before, but not lately.. so lost a lot of accounts because of it.. however there has been some positive trends in the last month.
(disclaimer: member of the MLA team here)
It's good that you are bringing this issue to attention as this gives us a chance to fix it. However, a quick survey among FB farmers that are using Multiloginapp has not revealed anything suspicious. We asked directly if they had experienced diminished success rates lately. No one could confirm this.
Once again, I am not trying to defend MLA here, rather figure out if there's something wrong. Any additional bits of information on this topic are welcome.
09-07-2017 06:27 PM
#16
mirrormaze (Member)

Originally Posted by
zeno
1. Not really, not unless you give permission via software that can access local information, e.g. Java, ActiveX, etc. Your internal MAC address is overwritten by your router's MAC address when accessing the internet (so that the ISP knows the MAC address of the router it needs to communicate with), but websites cannot see this. The only way to see your MAC address is if you run some local "software" that can actuall retrieve it. This is not a problem for locally installed software, games, etc., but is not something a typical website can do.
Flash plugin can reveal the MAC address of a local machine. I am not aware if Facebook runs any flash objects on signup pages, though. Browsers can be configured to prevent running flash objects automatically.
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