Journey to the Top of The Hill (8)
Hello icepick!
I'd say it was a good decision to wait for some time and save up those 10k, that should be more than enough to give AM a PROPER go 
I'm active in adult quite a lot, so I will be following your FA and giving you advice as needed - just ask
What do you want to focus on this time around? AV, carrier billing or maybe dating?
BTW: It's quite mandatory to run with LPs now, some carrier billing offers can still work directlinked, but waste majority of offers is doing better with a LP for me now.
Originally Posted by matuloo
Hello icepick!
I'd say it was a good decision to wait for some time and save up those 10k, that should be more than enough to give AM a PROPER go
I'm active in adult quite a lot, so I will be following your FA and giving you advice as needed - just ask
What do you want to focus on this time around? AV, carrier billing or maybe dating?
BTW: It's quite mandatory to run with LPs now, some carrier billing offers can still work directlinked, but waste majority of offers is doing better with a LP for me now.
I'd say it was a good decision to wait for some time and save up those 10k, that should be more than enough to give AM a PROPER go
I'm active in adult quite a lot, so I will be following your FA and giving you advice as needed - just ask
What do you want to focus on this time around? AV, carrier billing or maybe dating?
BTW: It's quite mandatory to run with LPs now, some carrier billing offers can still work directlinked, but waste majority of offers is doing better with a LP for me now.
Do you often run banners with adult and just do a banner -> lander -> offer? Or typically stick to just LP -> offer?
Thank you for tuning in! Turned 21 yesterday, so slacked a bit but time to grind it out now. Hope to be attending a lot of these affiliate events by the time I'm 22! Stay tuned for some progress reports.
So I took a break, got a temporary job, and with a budget of nearly 10K, I'm ready to go at this with all of my heart, day and night
Total Spend: $1600
Total Revenue: $650
Total Revenue: $650
I was hoping someone would be able to chime in as to whether or not they've had more INITIAL success direct-linking the offers to find out whether they're good or not, or doing a standard LP(s)xOffers/Banner(s)xOffers test (keeping cost in mind).
The trick is to test vast amounts of offers, using a very limited budget on each (e.g. no conversions after 5x payout, ditch), identify the gems that start to shine from the start, and scale.
One of the main problems though was the lack of traffic after cutting many bad placements (a ton were bot traffic, even though I was running this on a carrier ).
Confirm there's enough traffic FIRST, and THEN test. Even if you've been misled by inaccuracies in a traffic estimator somewhere, at the first hint that there may not be enough traffic to worth your while, stop the camp.
The more traffic you have, the more potential there is for profit, and the more stuff (placements etc.) you can afford to cut and STILL have enough left over to profit from.
Not to say it's always good to go after huge volume, but at least make sure there's ENOUGH volume.
So after some recommended offers weren't going too well, I pulled a handful of 1-click AV's for this GEO, and tested 3 LP's across the 6 offers I chose. No real method was chosen for picking these offers, I saw 1-click, and AV's, so went for it as the traffic didn't seem too bad for the carrier in the GEO.
Shortly after, one LP emerged, and as you can see below, one offer came out from the rest as well.
Nearly right away too, I noticed I was getting a ton of infested placements with 0% ctr, and decided to cut any reaching over 100 impressions and having 0 clicks as I had a lot of scripts on the landers to make them have quite a high ctr %. It also didn't take long to cut every OS besides Android (it seems like Android is one of the only, if only converting OS for AV ). Around this point I tried the test on a few different traffic sources, and they either didn't have the traffic or just didnt preform well at all.
After cutting some very poor placements, the traffic was cut quite a lot, and I let this offer run at about a 20% ROI for day or so before making a whitelisted campaign as it seemed just a handful of placements were converting pretty well.
It was a couple days later (two days ago) that I figured I'd introduce a couple more LP's to the mix, to which they all seemed to tie in stats at just a few conversions each. I then introduced more AV offers of the same flow (1 click) in the same GEO. When I did this though, everything just seemed to die at once.
I figured then, that this campaign might not have much hope to it after-all, and in retrospect, perhaps my biggest mistake was not adding more LP's to the mix earlier on. Though I'd love more insight from other people as well.
Shortly after, one LP emerged, and as you can see below, one offer came out from the rest as well.
Nearly right away too, I noticed I was getting a ton of infested placements with 0% ctr, and decided to cut any reaching over 100 impressions and having 0 clicks as I had a lot of scripts on the landers to make them have quite a high ctr %. It also didn't take long to cut every OS besides Android (it seems like Android is one of the only, if only converting OS for AV ). Around this point I tried the test on a few different traffic sources, and they either didn't have the traffic or just didnt preform well at all.
After cutting some very poor placements, the traffic was cut quite a lot, and I let this offer run at about a 20% ROI for day or so before making a whitelisted campaign as it seemed just a handful of placements were converting pretty well.
It was a couple days later (two days ago) that I figured I'd introduce a couple more LP's to the mix, to which they all seemed to tie in stats at just a few conversions each. I then introduced more AV offers of the same flow (1 click) in the same GEO. When I did this though, everything just seemed to die at once.
I figured then, that this campaign might not have much hope to it after-all, and in retrospect, perhaps my biggest mistake was not adding more LP's to the mix earlier on. Though I'd love more insight from other people as well.
Pop camps are short-lived. Volatility is their nature. I doubt your adding offers to the camp had anything to do with the camp dying.
If you like, try turning the camp back on - sometimes pausing it for 1-2 days will have a "rebooting" effect. But really, at 20% ROI, you'd be running at a loss effectively (after your basic costs and taxes etc.) And with the small amount of traffic you have left after the heavy cutting, it may not be worth your effort.
Another possibility for the camp "dying", may be due to getting outbid. Next time, increase your bid to see if the conversions would come back.
But yes - the main lessons learned here are to 1)target geos/carriers that have more volume, and 2)test more landers to lock down a good one.
I feel like some of my landers could be faster but I’m not sure what other techniques I could use to bring the loading speed atleast within the ~0.5s range. Any suggestions?
But feel free to start a separate thread to get feedback from members that know their tech stuff! If you do, update this thread to let me know, and I'll try to ask someone to take a look.
This is a big bottleneck which, when resolved, can give all your future camps a big boost - so it would be wise to invest the time to get it resolved.
Looking forward to progress updates!
Amy
Also - regarding DNS speed - another member has just discovered a mistake and fixed it to cut the speed in half. Please see if you're having the same issue:
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post317832
Amy
Big update coming soon - been grinding it hard and got my first XXX day, lets see how long this can last 
. If you dont mind Amy, I hope to shoot you a PM about a small issue im having at the moment.
Originally Posted by icepick819
Big update coming soon - been grinding it hard and got my first XXX day, lets see how long this can last . If you dont mind Amy, I hope to shoot you a PM about a small issue im having at the moment.
. If you dont mind Amy, I hope to shoot you a PM about a small issue im having at the moment.I missed your previous reply from some reason - I pretty much always do the banner-LP-offer type of funnels.
Regarding the issue you are having, just post it here, and I will try to assist you, in case it's something I have some experience with.
Matej.
Originally Posted by matuloo
So one of the issues I'm having is that on one traffic source in particular, there were a couple of good preforming placements that were at 25% and 5% ctr, lets say placements A and B respectively, and out of nowhere they both suddenly dropped to a near 2% CTR and weren't converting.
Now I know I had a bidding war with someone for a moment over a big placement, placement C, and won, but it could still be POSSIBLE that they are outbidding on placements A and B.
Now I had thought it must be one of two things, these being, either:
1: We had exhausted the placement already as it wasn't that big to begin with and perhaps we aren't being outbid.
2: We are being outbid and the pub decides to send bot traffic to the loser (me in this case) and the real traffic to the winner. Do pubs do this to scrape a bit more money? Because the impression count was fairly the same, however the CTR and CR wasn't anymore.
If you have another answer for it though, I'd love to hear it!
Big update coming soon - been grinding it hard and got my first XXX day, lets see how long this can last . If you dont mind Amy, I hope to shoot you a PM about a small issue im having at the moment.
I don't mind PMs, but I can only find time to respond once every few weeks - or even months. You'd get a MUCH faster response by posting in threads I've participated in - those would be the first threads I check and reply in daily.
I prefer to respond in public, because then the discussions would benefit other members that may be having the same issues.
So one of the issues I'm having is that on one traffic source in particular, there were a couple of good preforming placements that were at 25% and 5% ctr, lets say placements A and B respectively, and out of nowhere they both suddenly dropped to a near 2% CTR and weren't converting.
Now I know I had a bidding war with someone for a moment over a big placement, placement C, and won, but it could still be POSSIBLE that they are outbidding on placements A and B.
Now I had thought it must be one of two things, these being, either:
1: We had exhausted the placement already as it wasn't that big to begin with and perhaps we aren't being outbid.
2: We are being outbid and the pub decides to send bot traffic to the loser (me in this case) and the real traffic to the winner. Do pubs do this to scrape a bit more money? Because the impression count was fairly the same, however the CTR and CR wasn't anymore.
Now I know I had a bidding war with someone for a moment over a big placement, placement C, and won, but it could still be POSSIBLE that they are outbidding on placements A and B.
Now I had thought it must be one of two things, these being, either:
1: We had exhausted the placement already as it wasn't that big to begin with and perhaps we aren't being outbid.
2: We are being outbid and the pub decides to send bot traffic to the loser (me in this case) and the real traffic to the winner. Do pubs do this to scrape a bit more money? Because the impression count was fairly the same, however the CTR and CR wasn't anymore.
I don't think you've "exhausted the placements" - as far as my experience goes, this would happen gradually and not suddenly.
As for the second speculation - AFAIK, pubs don't have control over which advertisers to send what traffic to - the traffic network is the one in control of that. Regarding bot traffic - you can do a bot test with using caurmen's script or afflow. You're right in that some pubs will create fake traffic to increase their earnings, but anyone can send bot traffic - they just need to run the bot and point it at the publisher site. In fact it may be your competition that's responsible for this: They see some placements that are converting well, send bot traffic to them so other advertisers would stop targeting them, then snap up this traffic for cheap.
Unfortunately, you'll see the sudden drop in performance a lot when it comes to pop traffic, and not just with placements but with campaigns in general. A profitable campaign would suddenly drop in performance and cease to be profitable. I'm not sure what's causing this, but it's no secret that most pop camps won't remain profitable beyond a few weeks (some will only stay profitable for a few days). Therefore, testing broad to find the gems so you won't need to spend a ton of time optimizing, and then scaling them hard and fast, is the way to go.
Below are some tips on how to keep pop camps alive for longer.
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Before doing anything - if your camp suddenly takes a nose-dive - check to make sure your offer is still alive. Below are other things you can try:
1)Check placement stats before and after the dive in campaign performance. For profitable placements, check to see if you're still getting the same amount of traffic from them. If not, you probably got outbid. Increase your bid to see if the traffic and conversions will come back.
2)Continue to optimize the camp by cutting more stuff to counteract the decrease in performance - sometimes this can keep your camp green for longer.
3)If all else fails - put the camp on pause for 1-2 days and turn it back on. This kind of "rebooting" can sometimes revive your camp.
4)Clone the camp, then when it starts getting traffic, blacklist the same placements as you have in the original camp.
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Hope that helps! Looking forward to your next installment!
Amy
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