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Native can be profitable for Newbie how have a small budget ? (26)

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Hi
The Native ads can be profitable for Newbie how have a small budget ? if yess wich Native networks recommend for to start

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Everyone I've talked to said that native, especially in big geos is a huge budget eater.

If you check this preview video from 6WAMC you see that Tom's spent quite some $$ before getting BE/profitable already so my current perception is that native is not for small budgets.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjuyC_EuROg

That said, there are probably many ways to optimize your spend and minimize your budget needs - still can't compared to pops I think.

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There are ways to break into it with reasonable budget (about 5k).

You can for example start in an european country with mobile iOS.

Ask an account manager for an black and whitelist and use channels or interests to cut the traffic down.

This way you can go as low as $50-100/day spend for traffic.

However Native is way more complex than for example pop traffic.

If you want to try and error your way to success it would be easier to start with pops.

Once you have some more experience you can move on to Native.

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It is not necessary the budget that is the obstacle, it is more that (like in e-commerce) there are a lot more things you need to figure out and get right ... Unlike in pops where there are a lot fewer variables

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Unfortunately, yeah, you need to have decent budget to dive in.

Low payout offers usually doesn't perform well on native (although dating looks fine on native and payouts usually 6-10$ for lead).
Let's say you would test some e-commerce offers (35-40$ payout for each trial), then you would need to spend 2x-3x payouts to understand what banner has good ROI. So, if you would have 5 active banners you would need to spend 400-500$ to only understand what banner brings sales (the problem is, without proved offer you wouldn't generate enough conversions to make any decision). And another problem, without any BL or WL your CR would be even lower.

So, the best way in my opinion to start with native is to find proved offer (at least the offer that generate conversions) and then try to make it work on native.

WL,BL from manager is ok, but the best choice is to spy on your competitors, and try to copy their top widgets.

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Native can be brutal for new affiliates. I would recommend having at least 10k to be serious. Even when you find your winning offer that converts, you may still have days where you spend 300 and get nothing. The next day the system gives you more traction and you break even. Even after you blacklist bot widgets and find good placements you have to bid high to be competitive in keeping your placement. I have tried cloaking and it gives you a better margin, but you may still get caught and get your account banned. I have spent thousands on Native over the past 6 months and have nothing to show for it. Very challenging to get something consistently profitable using white hat methods and make it worth your while. You will blow a lot of budget in the beginning if you do not have a blacklist provided to you.

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Hey Jabdev. Check out this youtube video on starting native ads on a low budget. It was posted in a group i'm in i thought it might interest you. Good luck dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8pzTBOEFiQ

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whitelist is safest if you don't have big budget. Spy and figure out what domains or widgets to whitelist.

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thank you , can i get whitelist from my Native network Manager ?

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Thank you bro
Yeah the video is very interesting

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Thank you Sebastian , i think the great way is to start with pops and get the budget for native is it right ?

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Well you can certainly ask ... but you have to understand their business models as well ... those placements and widegets are obviously the ones in most demand, and-as you know, when supply is constant but demand is high ... well, these command a high "price"

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Yess for sure , the goal is getting the high quality widgets so these widgets will be very expensive.
THank you cmdeal

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I would say Spy is your best friend, mainly for smaller budgets. Always Spy very well, follow what is working so your odds increase.
Best of luck!

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Collected 30 widgets from adplexity for us on skin vertical in revcontent, choosed 0.2 cpc. Created campain. Now wait near 6 hours, this campaign didnt give me traffic, ever impressions. Where is my mistake?

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Yess Spy is the first thing
Thank you Rafa

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Probably either CPC is too low or the widgets you have in your WL have too little volume. Also Skin is one the most competitive verticals out there so to make it work you need to bid aggressively and have lots of volume from the start which means lots of budget especially in US.

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My first profitable campaign with native was after I spent my first 1,5k.

What I did though is the following:

I had a spy tool and did lots of research to find the best country/offer/creative etc
I did not run on tier 1 countries to avoid competition and run with a smaller budget

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when setting up the most profitable campaign I've ever done on Native, I was I spending like $6k - $12k/day for literally a week hovering around -10% ROI to 10% ROI. Scraping their entire system on Blacklist looking for profitable widgets through all the categories. (my offer payout was $100 so needs lots of data)

After about $70k or so, I thought that any profitable widget would have shown up by now. So I moved the good stuff to a whitelist campaign.

Boom. $25k-$30k/week profit off of a 50% ROI or so. I was in heaven. Until my source changed their TOS and my campaign was no longer compliant...life

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So did you give up on the campaign? Or ran it via cloaking?

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Did you run longform landers in those geos & have to get them translated? The only native landers I see with very little copy are for gaming/dating. All the others seem looong and possibly expensive to translate for non-tier1 countries

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Another question for anyone doing native - is it as common for Google to flag domains as unsafe when running native offers/flogs?

This is one of the more annoying parts of mobile pops since domains can get flagged sometimes within days of registering. I'm not sure if this is a common issue with native as well

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This rarely happens on Native, unless you're running something very very dirty.

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LOL @ $5k.

When newbies mean small, they mean $100... maybe $1000 sometimes, but rarely

My answer RE: small budget. No you cannot, years ago maybe these days no.

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What size budget do you think is needed for breaking into native? Over $20k?

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Forget about native with small budget - just skip it for now dont waste energy , come back stronger with budget.

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